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Vaccination to be mandatory for care home staff

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Horseyhorsey3 · 15/06/2021 22:47

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

It will be interesting to see how this affects retention and recruitment of staff... Or not...

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Bargebill19 · 17/06/2021 22:53

[quote ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia]@Bargebill19

I am pre occupied in my current role for these worthy caring responsibilities but I am doing my bit by being double vaccinated and taking all other risk mitigation measures seriously to protect myself and others.

Other family members are medics on the frontline including treating the ill and coordinating administration of vaccination. We are all doing our bit thanks! Hope you are too?![/quote]
Oh and feel free to resign your position and apply for something worthy.

Bargebill19 · 17/06/2021 23:00

@Iquitit

You can’t do or give anymore. No one can.
You aren’t a bad carer.

If it’s of any consolation, according to the guardian paper, care homes have suddenly
Realised they will be held legally responsible for implementing this proposal - and having to check everyone’s vaccination status before they enter homes. They are not happy! So maybe, maybe the proposal will be altered to education and persuasion rather than mandatory.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 17/06/2021 23:01

@Bargebill19

Thank you for your suggestion. I have now considered this and regrettably I believe my education and training would not be best served in the caring sector. I believe others will have more suited qualifications and skills as long as they are vaccinated and caring about their own Covid security as well as others.

Iquitit · 17/06/2021 23:08

If it’s of any consolation, according to the guardian paper, care homes have suddenly
Realised they will be held legally responsible for implementing this proposal - and having to check everyone’s vaccination status before they enter homes. They are not happy! So maybe, maybe the proposal will be altered to education and persuasion rather than mandatory.

Hopefully, I wonder how many will be applauding this decision when care staff are having to use the already short time they have to care for residents to now check vaccination status of others as well as administering lateral flow tests to visitors?

Will they be demanding more funding for more staff? Or will they just say, as I suspect they will, we're being negligent when someone doesn't get the care they need because the not enough already staff are doing things like this?

Iquitit · 17/06/2021 23:10

And thanks @BargeBill19

Just hearing it once among a sea of negativity means a lot.

Bargebill19 · 17/06/2021 23:17

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Then stop criticising others who are and have been in the care sector. You are evidently not prepared to actually show us minions exactly what we are doing so wrong by getting your hands dirty.

Bargebill19 · 17/06/2021 23:21

@Iquitit

I rather hope that owners of the large care homes may be able to put considerable pressure on the government.
You are right though in your final sentence. Once again care staff will be blamed for not being able to magic up 10 pairs of hands, two heads and a time machine. I agree with everting you’ve said.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 17/06/2021 23:41

[quote Bargebill19]@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Then stop criticising others who are and have been in the care sector. You are evidently not prepared to actually show us minions exactly what we are doing so wrong by getting your hands dirty.[/quote]
I am concerned about the health of vulnerable elderly care home residents. All of us will be old one day as long as we take personal health seriously including vaccination where beneficial. If I was within this care home elderly community I would reasonably expect all known proven helpful Covid interventions and risk mitigation to be implemented.

Not that this is necessary between strangers on the web but as it happens I have been involved in community corporate charitable responsibilities assisting appreciative less fortunate members of society and also involved in leadership responsibilities as a parent in the school PTA coordinating efforts with the wider school community to ensure the school is optimised for Covid fortitude in challenging circumstances including financial assistance and procurement of essential items. I have got my hands dirty and mucked in! Covid only discriminates on those with most potential exposure vectors and least medical privilege including being yet to be afforded protection via vaccination. Vaccination is a rare global privilege and in the UK is offered free of cost with more personal and community health benefits than rare complications. It is better to be vaccinated than to suffer or spread Covid.

MercyBooth · 17/06/2021 23:44

This has just been discussed on Question Time.

Iquitit · 17/06/2021 23:46

[quote Bargebill19]@Iquitit

I rather hope that owners of the large care homes may be able to put considerable pressure on the government.
You are right though in your final sentence. Once again care staff will be blamed for not being able to magic up 10 pairs of hands, two heads and a time machine. I agree with everting you’ve said.[/quote]
It's a relentless cycle of blame isn't it? There's another thread about why uptake is low in the care sector - general opinion is we're all thick, that's why 🤦

It's the attitudes towards care workers, the heavy handed force rather than education and training around vaccination and the crappy pay and conditions that drives people out of this industry.

I've had 2 offers from previous hospitality employers in the last month, I'm very happy where I am but some people would have jumped at the chance to get out, we're losing two members of staff this month, one to move sectors and one to retire - and no one ever leaves here, apart from me the shortest service time is 5 years, and I replaced someone who retired.

Bargebill19 · 18/06/2021 00:01

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Then please read my posts. I AM
NOT AGAINST VACCINATION.

Go and preach somewhere else to someone else.
By your own admission you haven’t worked in a care home or that sector. You really have no idea that this mandatory vaccination proposal the the straw that will mean the end of a lot of people working in this sector. A sector already chronically understaffed. The immense pressure care workers are under and the attitudes of people like you, bad employers, and an ignorant government are bad enough, without having this added.

Go and volunteer (when allowed) then come back once you’ve experienced the conditions. What you’ve described as doing your bit is nothing like being on the frontline of care work.

shewalkslikerihanna · 18/06/2021 06:50

@baldafrique

I wouldnt blame anyone for leaving care work tbh. Sounds horrific.
My son did it for 6 months and loved it. But he was going into peoples homes not into one establishment. I suspect that’s way different. My mum with dementia was in two care homes and my aunt with dementia in another one. Never enough staff. These were not cosy little retirement homes for the over 55s Most staff were lovely but I worried and fretted over my relatives all the time in case there were staff who didn’t treat them well.
Horseyhorsey3 · 13/07/2021 21:31

And while everyone's been distracted, MPs have voted for it...

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57829135.amp

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MercyBooth · 14/07/2021 00:49

Seen a few on Twitter threatening to quit. This wont end well.

MercyBooth · 14/07/2021 18:22

The BMJ on this.

www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1684?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=hootsuite&utm_content=sme&utm_campaign=usage

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Mandatory covid-19 vaccination for care home workers
BMJ 2021; 374 doi: doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n1684 (Published 08 July 2021)

Lydia Hayes, professor of law1, Allyson M Pollock, professor of public health2
Author affiliations
Correspondence to: L Hayes [email protected]
Unnecessary, disproportionate, and misguided

In a profound departure from public health norms, new law will remove the right of care home staff in England to choose whether to be vaccinated against covid-19.1 The intended next step is a rapid and massive expansion of compulsory vaccination legally to require covid-19 and flu vaccination of all frontline health and social care workers, subject to consultation.2

Official claims that “we are not forcing anyone to take the vaccine” are disingenuous.1 Care home workers who reject covid-19 vaccination will be dismissed from employment without compensation and be barred from access to their occupation. A regulatory amendment will make it unlawful for care homes to permit care workers to enter the care home premises without proof of full vaccination.1 This will impose a new duty on all registered providers of residential care to verify the medical status of each worker, including full time and part time agency staff, staff employed directly by a care home, and volunteers. It will give responsibility for compliance and enforcement to the Care Quality Commission (CQC).

The providers’ associations Care England and the National Care Forum, as well as trade unions, have expressed concern that coercion is not the best way forward.3456 Vaccination is not a panacea for safety. Safety, according to current regulatory law, is achieved through adequate staffing levels, training, equipment, cleanliness, personal protective equipment, risk assessment, and consultation with staff and residents.7 Care home residents accounted for 40% of all covid-19 deaths in the first wave and 26% in the second wave, as a result of long term problems with care home provision, including staff shortages, but also deficiencies in the pandemic response.8

Vaccination protects individuals from covid-19 and reduces the risk of transmission of disease to others.9 Vaccine efficacy against reinfection after two doses is around 85-90%, efficacy against risk of hospital admission and death from covid-19 is even higher.910 Crucially, previous infection affords immunity against reinfection and provides comparable protection to vaccination.1112 However, the duration of protection (particularly against new variants) remains unknown after either vaccination13 or infection.

The “liberty of non-vaccination” is a principle established in UK law since 1898. It followed vigorous and widespread protest about compulsory vaccination for smallpox that was imposed by the Vaccination Act 1853. Amendments to the Vaccination Act in 1898 and 1907 provided legal recognition of conscientious objection for those who were “honestly opposed” to vaccination and noted, too, the contribution of improved sanitation to the drop in smallpox.14

Compulsory vaccination has not been attempted since in the UK. The Coronavirus Act 2020 was careful to avoid changes to the Health and Social Care Act 2008, which excluded mandatory medical treatment, including vaccination, from the secretary of state for health and social care’s power.15

Wales and Scotland have rejected compulsory vaccination for care workers. Vaccine uptake for care workers in Wales is over 96% for the first vaccination and 85% for the second.16 “Virtually all” care home staff in Scotland have been vaccinated.17 Wales and Scotland have invested in systems of mandatory registration for care workers. Care worker registration aims to professionalise the sector, increase access to training, and embed a culture of continuous professional development. In England, successive ministers have rejected national care worker registration. The Department of Health and Social Care and the CQC therefore don’t know who England’s care workers are, and training of the care workforce is woefully inadequate. The Scientific and Advisory Group for Emergencies has recommended a threshold for minimum protection in residential care homes of 80% of care workers and 90% of residents to have had a first vaccination.18 By 20 June 2021, over 90% of care home residents in England had received two doses of a covid-19 vaccine, 84% of care workers in England had received a first dose, and 72% of care workers had received a second dose.19

The government’s decision on compulsory vaccination for care home workers was based on claims of low vaccine take-up in some care homes that were subsequently echoed in media reports.20 However, closer scrutiny of most recent data shows that uptake of the first dose of covid-19 vaccination among care workers is below 80% (68-74%) in only three upper tier local authorities in England, but these numbers are an artefact of very low numbers of staff employed by care homes in these three. For instance, the lowest uptake of the second vaccine is in Haringey, with only 355 eligible staff in its older adult care homes compared with many thousands of staff in other local authorities.21 Moreover, the government’s own methodology note warns that the numbers of staff and residents who have not received the vaccine cannot be directly derived from its data.22

Civil liberty is a necessary component of strong public health. Mandatory vaccination is unnecessary and disproportionate. It will not remedy the serious shortcomings of the care sector in England. Safety can be assured only by taking steps to build trust and to mitigate outbreaks. Care workers need paid time in which to access vaccination and good training, decent wages (including sick pay), personal protective equipment, and strong infection control measures. Mandatory vaccination in residential care is unnecessary, disproportionate, and misguided.

DeleteSystem32 · 03/08/2021 15:33

@ZednotZee

Well, I'm voting with my feet and currently applying for roles within other sectors, given that I have sixteen weeks in which to secure one.

I will be sad to leave social care but my individual autonomy and continued good health are paramount.

Good.

You don't seem like someone who should be looking after other people.

Motorina · 03/08/2021 15:56

I was in a care home today. Advertised on the board in the reception area were the weeks activities. Nails. Haircuts. A puppet show. A 40s sing along. Two different craft activities. And visiting clergy.

In 12 weeks, all these people will have to be happy both with being vaccinated, and with sharing their vaccine status with strangers.

As will individual clinicians like me.

Some of them won't be. So these people's lives will have just got that little bit bleaker.

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