Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?

[MrsHastingslikethebattle]

Everyone whom I know is more scared of the Governments reaction to Covid, than Covid itself.

The vaccinations are the most protection we are ever going to get, and yes people will still die.

Why can't we just accept that people die of Covid like we accept thousands each year who have died through flu and other preventable diseases?Millions and millions of people have died through smoking and alcohol, costing millions to the NHS. Yet we haven't banned them?
Viruses mutate and Covid is no different. They're will be variants indefinitely. Are we to cower behind our sofas every time a new one is announced?
The media in full force say how serious the new strain is, then lo and behold, weeks later it shows the vaccines are still offering high protection.
Public Health have started there is no correlation between the Indian variant and hospital admissions.
There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital, yet hospitality is are still targeted with table service, masks and track and trace.

When did this become about cases? not deaths and hospital admissions like it was to begin with?

The media and government have done well to completely scare people into submission. This is no longer about protection, its control and power.

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Everyone in real life has had enough and can see through this bullshit for what it really is!

#Imdone

Hardly stopping life at the moment. Restaurants, pubs, tourist attractions are open. Transport is running. Holiday homes and hotels are useable. I prefer not having everything crammed to overflowing. I like reduced focus on shopping as a leisure activity and reduced consumerism. It’s good for the environment and protects the world for our future grandchildren. For many, it’s re-evaluated their priorities and that’s no bad thing. More families up and out doing healthier activities is good too

Bully for you. Would you be saying the same as an 18 year old student? Or a 10 year old whose school prom, residential trip and secondary transition have just been cancelled? Or a restauranteur who can barely break even under social distancing? Or a performer who currently can’t perform? Or an 85-year-old care home resident who still can’t receive visitors?

You may be delighted that the places you visit are no longer crammed full of those horrible, dirty disease vectors formerly known as human beings, but for those of us who value a cohesive community, viable hospitality and arts and culture scene, spontaneity and the general vibrancy or life, a socially distanced future looks incredibly bleak.

Holiday homes and hotels are useable

Personally I’d rather they were comfortable and fun.

It’s not only about business being open, it’s about how we can operate.
I work in film and TV production and we’re still massively impacted by restrictions. Ditto DH who works in sport.

If all you can see is that shops and pubs are open - so what’s the problem, then I fear for future generations.

What do you do for a living?
Not relevant. My point is that people need to diversify. My friend is a photographer and he couldn’t do weddings so he switched to product photography. My other friend is a music tutor and now he tutors via Zoom. You can’t just sit around crying because the world has changed and it can’t accommodate your chosen profession any more. Nightclubs are dead, get over it and move on.

'Then the furlough scheme ends in September'

It is June, Sept is 2 months away . Many countries don't even have furlough so just be grateful we have it.

It's summer! Honestly you'd think it was the middle of winter and we'd been told to stay at home and everywhere was shutting. Perspective is needed.

The problem is @Kanitawa is that those who want to go to Nightclubs actually have a fairly low level of risk from COVID so why should they once the vaccination programme is where it is do anything but go back to the nightclub that they want to go to.

Theatres are a huge deal - not only with the people they employ but the tourism that they bring in. Losing them would make life very bleak

I think part of the problem with Mumsnet is that by its very nature its readership are off an age and background where it is clear that the current restrictions allow them to live life normally. I know that is true for me. But I am aware of what is actually at stake with all of this and how it cannot go beyond the 19th July

@Kanitawa

What do you do for a living? Not relevant. My point is that people need to diversify. My friend is a photographer and he couldn’t do weddings so he switched to product photography. My other friend is a music tutor and now he tutors via Zoom. You can’t just sit around crying because the world has changed and it can’t accommodate your chosen profession any more. Nightclubs are dead, get over it and move on.

Of course it’s relevant. What do you do?

@JaniieJones

'Then the furlough scheme ends in September'

It is June, Sept is 2 months away . Many countries don't even have furlough so just be grateful we have it.

It's summer! Honestly you'd think it was the middle of winter and we'd been told to stay at home and everywhere was shutting. Perspective is needed.

Did you read the rest of my post? So long as you’re ok though. That’s all that matters

And let’s talk about demand.
The demand for TV has never been higher.
You all want it to make your lock down pleasant.
But you don’t care about the people within it losing their livelihoods.
Classic.

🙄

I see @JaniieJones is glossing over the fact that here in Scotland I can legally have ONE OTHER ADULT in the house as she;s on her "totally normal" quest.

And as for the "nightclubs are over" - aye right.

The world hasn’t changed. People want to do these things. The demand is there.
But those things aren’t possible any more because of disease control. So the world has changed. We may be looking at a permanent future where people can’t meet in groups larger than 30. That’s something that people (and owners of large venues and event organisers) may just have to come to terms with.

@Kanitawa

The world hasn’t changed. People want to do these things. The demand is there. But those things aren’t possible any more because of disease control. So the world has changed. We may be looking at a permanent future where people can’t meet in groups larger than 30. That’s something that people (and owners of large venues and event organisers) may just have to come to terms with.

Ahhhh ok. You just answered my question regarding the stupid/ callous Thanks

Do you think young people aren’t already meeting in groups of over 30?
Come on.

@Kanitawa

The world hasn’t changed. People want to do these things. The demand is there. But those things aren’t possible any more because of disease control. So the world has changed. We may be looking at a permanent future where people can’t meet in groups larger than 30. That’s something that people (and owners of large venues and event organisers) may just have to come to terms with.

There are only 'not possible' because some people can't cope with life being a bit risky.

Well life will always be risky and for some more risky than for others.

Because if we don't try to control covid, it will destroy our health service

Then perhaps it would have been a good idea for the government to have funnelled billions of extra funding into the NHS over the last 18 months to increase bed capacity etc and ease the issues the health service knows it is going to face going forward (given that we all know that covid is something we are going to have to live alongside from now on) rather than chucking away billions on everything else.

The majority of the country support it.

Both Tory and Labour politicians support it except for the dickheads in the Covid Recovery Group.

It’s MN that is out on a limb here not the majority of the country.

'Not relevant. My point is that people need to diversify. My friend is a photographer and he couldn’t do weddings so he switched to product photography. My other friend is a music tutor and now he tutors via Zoom. You can’t just sit around crying because the world has changed and it can’t accommodate your chosen profession any more.'

Yes, having a career actually dependant on one specific event is probably not a good idea. No one should put their eggs in one basket, if say you're a makeup artist who does wedding or prom dos, or a singer you possibly need another more consistent job to pay the bills.

'that here in Scotland I can legally have ONE OTHER ADULT in the house '

Who is allowed outside, or I'm sure you are going to tell me you don't have any outside areas anywhere near where you live? Maybe write to nicola and ask her to follow Johnson's more sensible rules..

@JaniieJones If you can’t see why the things on what you’ve delightfully termed my ‘wah list’ will damage community cohesion and affect the life chances of the next generation, especially our most disadvantaged children and young people, then you are incredibly callous and short-sighted. None of these changes are benign, or a minor inconvenience, to those who actually need these services.

It’s not about me and DD; I get that we are incredibly privileged and can mitigate the situation, but having worked with vulnerable children I can see exactly how this will pan out for those who can’t.

'It’s MN that is out on a limb here not the majority of the country.'

True. Mn, Twitter and Beverly Turner. Did anyone see her making a right prat of herself on Vine yest?!

We are currently allowed 8 people outside. So yes, that would allow two people to come and sit in the garden. Whoop de doo.

It also means though that the BBQ which my 17 year old DS is planning for him and 10 or 11 of his friends to celebrate the end of their school career is illegal.

Of course it’s relevant. What do you do?
I was a FE teacher. Government funding was cut by 75% and jobs disappeared. Several years ago, not because of Covid. I didn’t sit crying because there were no teaching jobs for me and whinging that college courses needed to be reopened. I got an office job as a graphic designer instead because those were available. Diversify.

I don’t like nightclubs and never have but can accept that for some people, they are a huge part of their life.

I’m also amazed at this idea if saving every life given the utter disdain we treat other lives

Is the health system at danger of being overrun? We could turn the unused GP surgeries into cottage hospitals to stop spread in wards, given no one can see aGP anymore

Bully for you. Would you be saying the same as an 18 year old student? Or a 10 year old whose school prom, residential trip and secondary transition have just been cancelled? Or a restauranteur who can barely break even under social distancing? Or a performer who currently can’t perform? Or an 85-year-old care home resident who still can’t receive visitors?

To my daughter who missed her graduation I said, “Bad luck, we’ll celebrate another way”. She seems to be having a nice time with her friends in London.

To my daughter whose wedding plans were cancelled twice we said, “It’s sad, but we’ll make sure you have a wonderful day”.

Care home residents can now have visitors. We were able to visit until my mother died a few weeks ago.

Children used to survive fairly well without residential trips and transitional days. Not ideal, but hardly life changing.

Performers have long had to wait tables between engagements.

I think it’s about optimism and making your own life good, rather than being a doom-sayer about Wetherspoons and nightclubs. I think not being rude to people helps too.

'will damage community cohesion and affect the life chances of the next generation'

Oh stop it. Community cohesion 🙄. I see people locally and nationally actually pulling together.

Our dc have had it tough but they are adapting and making the best of it. No prom but they're all out meeting in groups, socialising without the need for nightclubs and organising activities. If you have a parent telling you your life chances are damaged they will grow up believing it and become perpetual victims. They deserve better.

Try positivity and determination fgs.