Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?

[MrsHastingslikethebattle]

Everyone whom I know is more scared of the Governments reaction to Covid, than Covid itself.

The vaccinations are the most protection we are ever going to get, and yes people will still die.

Why can't we just accept that people die of Covid like we accept thousands each year who have died through flu and other preventable diseases?Millions and millions of people have died through smoking and alcohol, costing millions to the NHS. Yet we haven't banned them?
Viruses mutate and Covid is no different. They're will be variants indefinitely. Are we to cower behind our sofas every time a new one is announced?
The media in full force say how serious the new strain is, then lo and behold, weeks later it shows the vaccines are still offering high protection.
Public Health have started there is no correlation between the Indian variant and hospital admissions.
There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital, yet hospitality is are still targeted with table service, masks and track and trace.

When did this become about cases? not deaths and hospital admissions like it was to begin with?

The media and government have done well to completely scare people into submission. This is no longer about protection, its control and power.

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Everyone in real life has had enough and can see through this bullshit for what it really is!

#Imdone

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@RaspberryCoulis

All those people saying "on but life is back to normal!" - so wrong.

Nobody working in the aviation, tourism or holiday industry is back to anything like normal. Likewise theatres, concerts, music festivals, nightclubs. Now I personally don't want to go clubbing, but I'm not short-sighted enough to realise that a lot of people would.

If you want to to any indoor attraction or a museum you have to book a slot, and wear a mask. That's not normal.

In Scotland, I can currently have up to 6 adults from 3 households inside my house. As children over 12 are counted as "adults", and all three of my children are over the age of 12, that means that legally, I am allowed one additional person in the house to bring it to 6. So I can invite my parents over, but one would have to stay outside. Even at the Scottish government's utopian "level 0" - we can only have 8 adults from 4 households inside. Not normal by ANY stretch of the imagination.

My children are still being asked to wear their masks at all times in school. That's not normal.

Until last week, I was being asked not to travel into Glasgow unless for essential reasons. Not normal either.

No o don’t get the it’s normal thing seems a bit shortsighted to see what’s still impacted

'It's very melodramatic to say the current restrictions stop life. A sense of perspective is seriously missing from MN these days.'

Yes mn is becoming more and more like twitter. Full of hysterical hyperbole.

'People who think everything is ‘normal’ live very insular lives.'

Schools, pubs, shops open. We can have people round. We can socialise. We've been to the cinema, restaurants. You mustn't lap up all this 'no end to lockdown!' That the media is feeding you.

We can't go to nightclubs and there are some restrictions with weddings etc. I mean really. Why all the teeth gnashing. He's even said they'll review again July 5th 🙄.

@DancesWithTortoises

I think they may have to be extended beyond July.

Long Covid has become a real problem and it's vital to try to prevent the spread of the virus. Social distancing and masks should stay for a long time. It helps prevent the spread of flu as well. Bonus!

Nobody enjoys the restrictions but we can't let the virus run wild.

Do you want the country's cultural and arts sectors to survive? Do you want your favourite restaurant or cafe or cinema to survive? Because they won't. Permanent social distancing would mean that they won't. Think about the bleak society that would create.

There are a number of people who love the drama, start posts with how the numbers are increasing and x or y should be done. Many use hyperbole, hysteria and emotions to scare the anxious, look at this graph or that graph. They appear to love the drama and don't want it to end.

And the op is not over dramatic at all eh.

@mrssunshinexxx

There will be many people not getting the vaccine for many reasons so we will never all be vaccinated but agree we need to get back to 'normal' let people take there own risks

But it’s not their own risks they are taking unless they never leave the house and come into contact with others. The decision you make that you are not bothered about the risk to you affects anyone who comes into contact with you who is just trying to get on with essential things like going to work or travelling to work on public transport with you.

I know people are frustrated and want covid not to exist and us not to be in the middle of a pandemic. But we are. Opening everything up is not going to change that. It absolutely sucks, but that’s the situation we are in.

Our best way forward on this until we’re much closer to herd immunity from vaccines is to keep cases under control through a combination of restrictions where necessary and better support for those who need it. Nobody should have to be penalised for trying to do the right thing and places that can’t open yet because they are high risk for covid spread need better support from the government.

I’m the long term, reducing the potential health burden from those who’ve survived covid, and the burden from other conditions due to lack of early diagnosis and timely treatment and supporting those industries who need it has to be better than just crossing our fingers and hoping for the best.

I really don’t think any of the sectors that have just had their reopening paused would have thanked the government when when they had to be shut down again in a few weeks.

Hardly stopping life at the moment. Restaurants, pubs, tourist attractions are open. Transport is running. Holiday homes and hotels are useable.
I prefer not having everything crammed to overflowing. I like reduced focus on shopping as a leisure activity and reduced consumerism.
It’s good for the environment and protects the world for our future grandchildren. For many, it’s re-evaluated their priorities and that’s no bad thing. More families up and out doing healthier activities is good too.

@DancesWithTortoises

I think they may have to be extended beyond July.

Long Covid has become a real problem and it's vital to try to prevent the spread of the virus. Social distancing and masks should stay for a long time. It helps prevent the spread of flu as well. Bonus!

Nobody enjoys the restrictions but we can't let the virus run wild.

It's very melodramatic to say the current restrictions stop life. A sense of perspective is seriously missing from MN these days

I just think as a society our differing life experiences mean we’re hopelessly divided on this issue. Perhaps to say that life has stopped is melodramatic, but I certainly feel that many of the small, informal, life-affirming aspects of life have vanished, possibly forever. Not big commercial ventures like nightclubs - although I can see why many people miss those too - but the low key, cheap/free stuff that brings joy, irons out inequalities and aids community cohesion. I also struggle to see how much of this stuff will ever come back in the new, safety-obsessed, overly planned and regulated post-Covid world.

• I still can’t just turn up and read a book in my local library, or browse with my 3 year old. I have to book ahead for a 30min slot for just us, and rush round in a mask to quickly choose the books.

• No Rhyme Times, senior/Memory Clubs at or other community groups at the library

• No support from children’s centres or casual (non commercial) baby and toddler groups

• I can’t sing in a choir or attend an informal gig

• I can’t take DD swimming in our local council pool (luckily I can pay for private, but many can’t).

• It’s looking increasingly unlikely that we’ll be able to look round the schools we’re applying to for DD’s Reception place, so we’ll be applying on spec. Parents generally being kept out of their children’s schools. I’ve been inside DD’s nursery once; DH never.

• Kids are missing out on significant celebrations, milestones and key transitions for the second year running. Very limited ‘fun’ or extra-curricular activities, either in schools or through churches etc

• Care homes are still severely restricted

• I can’t have a foreign holiday without a whole load of hassle. All attentions for our forthcoming U.K. break have to be booked weeks in advance, even the on-site pool,

• I have no idea when I’ll next see DB and DSIL, who live in Canada

• Zero spontaneity in life; many socially distanced venues completely lack atmosphere; creativity stifled

• Masks are a biggie for me - I just can’t get used to the things and find them hugely restrictive - but I get that this wasn’t tied to the 21st June reopening anyway.

None of these things alone are make or break stuff (although for many of those facing the loss of livelihoods through restrictions it probably is), but it’s a cumulative effect - death by a thousand cuts - and I don’t get how people can assert that ‘normality’ is only about nightclubs and festivals.

'All of that stuff is open. What else could they realistically do that isn’t available?'
Exactly. Do tell what you are stopped from actually doing? (Barring nightclubs and dancing at weddings)

The media have told them 'lockdown' hasn't ended y'see so the fummin and the outraged are not happy.

Meanwhile, many people would rather listen to epidemiologists and virologists who are advising caution.

Nobody working in the aviation, tourism or holiday industry is back to anything like normal. Likewise theatres, concerts, music festivals, nightclubs
Holidays and evening entertainment for young people are literally the only things that aren’t open. Many theatres are open.

If you want to to any indoor attraction or a museum you have to book a slot, and wear a mask. That's not normal.
But they’re open, which is better than last year.

@JaniieJones

'It's very melodramatic to say the current restrictions stop life. A sense of perspective is seriously missing from MN these days.'

Yes mn is becoming more and more like twitter. Full of hysterical hyperbole.

'People who think everything is ‘normal’ live very insular lives.'

Schools, pubs, shops open. We can have people round. We can socialise. We've been to the cinema, restaurants. You mustn't lap up all this 'no end to lockdown!' That the media is feeding you.

We can't go to nightclubs and there are some restrictions with weddings etc. I mean really. Why all the teeth gnashing. He's even said they'll review again July 5th 🙄.

@JaniieJones if I want to strictly comply with legislation about no more than 6 adults in the house in Scotland, I can have ONE adult round. Not "people". A person.

And I'd say "gnashing teeth" is a very reasonable position for someone who has had zero trade through their club, theatre or soft play in Scotland since March 2020.

@MarshaBradyo June 21st should have existed as a date where things would be looked at if things were going well with the July date for vaccinations in as well. Part of the problem was the uncertainty that they could have planned for by not presenting it as Freedom Day - although you do need I think to look at the media here as well. Masks etc should (like the US) be based on vaccinations and we needed to get further with this one

@JaniieJones furlough ISNT continuing - as from 1st July there is a gradual tailing off of the scheme to end on the 30th September. Businesses between 1st July-19th July will have to take on 10% of furlough payments whilst still not being able to open up normally

WE can go to the cinema, theatres, restaurants and hotels but that doesnt mean they are operating normally or able to turn the profits that they normally do

'Masks are a biggie for me - I just can’t get used to the things and find them hugely restrictive '

Oh just say you're except as many refusers do.

Care homes allow visitors.

I cba to respond to the rest of your waah list other than to say what a shame you can't go to Canada and organised dc activities aren't essential. Here's an idea have friends round and they can play in the garden?!

@qwertygirly kidsarefine - well hallelujah! Here was me thinking some of them might have missed out on some important milestones; some of them might be joining new schools and colleges that they haven't even seen; some of them might be facing another year of remote uni; some of them might have been asked to leave school just 2 months after they went back. But thank you so much for the reassurance that they are all, in fact, fine.

@JaniieJones

'It's very melodramatic to say the current restrictions stop life. A sense of perspective is seriously missing from MN these days.'

Yes mn is becoming more and more like twitter. Full of hysterical hyperbole.

'People who think everything is ‘normal’ live very insular lives.'

Schools, pubs, shops open. We can have people round. We can socialise. We've been to the cinema, restaurants. You mustn't lap up all this 'no end to lockdown!' That the media is feeding you.

We can't go to nightclubs and there are some restrictions with weddings etc. I mean really. Why all the teeth gnashing. He's even said they'll review again July 5th 🙄.

Thanks. I’ll show your disclaimer to my friends in my industry who are seriously on the brink of losing their homes and businesses. You don’t understand the industry at all. Furlough pays for some of the wages. What about paying for the costs of keeping the business going? Rent, electric, insurance etc. Then the furlough scheme ends in September. Right about the same time as the window for the season closes and no more money can be made until next April. So how do you suggest they survive all that time? Sure, they can get jobs but that won’t cover the busy costs. They’re unlikely to find jobs that will cover their mortgage and home costs. My friend is currently hysterical because her husband asked if their life insurance covers suicide. He’s about to lose his business and therefore the house etc. He genuinely believes his family would be better off if he died. He had a healthy thriving business only two years ago. He hasn’t lost it due to bad investments or lack of public demand. It’s directly because of restrictions. He has no idea whether to cut his loses, sell the house and get a lower paid job or stick it out because it’s always “Just a few more weeks” And he’s not the only one. So shove your disclaimer up your arse and save your opinions on the furlough scheme for things you actually know anything about.

@Kanitawa

Nobody working in the aviation, tourism or holiday industry is back to anything like normal. Likewise theatres, concerts, music festivals, nightclubs Holidays and evening entertainment for young people are literally the only things that aren’t open. Many theatres are open.

If you want to to any indoor attraction or a museum you have to book a slot, and wear a mask. That's not normal.
But they’re open, which is better than last year.

Theatres and cinemas are open on a drastically reduced capacity which makes them unviable economically. But the industry is taking the view that something is better than nothing. But it's not "normal" to go to the theatre and have 2m distance all round you.

*exempt

@hamstersarse

The under 18s who received shielding letters haven't been vaccinated yet. Maybe they're just expected to stay at home while the rest of the country gets back to normal.

The idea/ fantasy that we can all live exactly the same lives as the next person under the guise of equality is partly how we have got in this mess.

My risk is very low, always has been. Yet I’ve been coerced into thinking that I am somehow at risk. I’m not. I don’t care. I’ve had it, got a bit ill for a day or 2, not the worst thing I’ve ever had by any stretch.

There are other people less fortunate (?) who do need to be more vigilant, fine. It’s the same with so many millions of things in the world. Some people have very poor eyesight so can’t drive, some people can’t sit in the sun without their skin combusting, some people can’t eat certain foods without anaphylactic shock, some people have a gene that causes breast cancer.

The idea that we are all at the same risk is ludicrous. It is perfectly possible to shield if you are truly still concerned (although if you have been vaccinated I’d be questioning your mental health). That’s why so many people are ‘done’, they are usually people who have no fear because they have no risk, and those who do aggressively enforcing some fake risk on them for a prolonged period of time is just selfish.

You do you. I’ll do me.

Excellent post

Infrastructure doesn't work if too many people are ill or isolating. I'd rather have hospitals, water, power, broadband, rubbish collection etc etc than theatres, sorry. Divert money from the 27bn road programme to supporting those businesses and those who can't work, that's not a hard choice.

The fuckup is open borders,same mistake made four times now because our arrogant tosser of a prime minister won't listen.

Seriously it really IS NOT just about nightclubs.

And I'd say "gnashing teeth" is a very reasonable position for someone who has had zero trade through their club, theatre or soft play in Scotland since March 2020
The world has changed. Maybe it’s not a place where packed nightclubs can exist any more. And that’s ok, there’s other stuff to do and the majority of people didn’t go to clubs anyway. People who ran clubs will have to do something else, the same as blacksmiths did when the car was invented and there were no more horses to shoe. The world changes and you have to keep up.

@Kanitawa

And I'd say "gnashing teeth" is a very reasonable position for someone who has had zero trade through their club, theatre or soft play in Scotland since March 2020 The world has changed. Maybe it’s not a place where packed nightclubs can exist any more. And that’s ok, there’s other stuff to do and the majority of people didn’t go to clubs anyway. People who ran clubs will have to do something else, the same as blacksmiths did when the car was invented and there were no more horses to shoe. The world changes and you have to keep up.

What do you do for a living?

'WE can go to the cinema, theatres, restaurants and hotels but that doesnt mean they are operating normally '

Yes and of course nothing will be normal but honestly all the dramatics and 'we can't do this and that' whining.

There is a lot we can do.

It is a slow return to normal. This current pause is because of a rise in cases which hopefully won't equate to a rise in hospitalisations, but data is needed.

Get out in the sunshine meet friends and calm down.

@Kanitawa

And I'd say "gnashing teeth" is a very reasonable position for someone who has had zero trade through their club, theatre or soft play in Scotland since March 2020 The world has changed. Maybe it’s not a place where packed nightclubs can exist any more. And that’s ok, there’s other stuff to do and the majority of people didn’t go to clubs anyway. People who ran clubs will have to do something else, the same as blacksmiths did when the car was invented and there were no more horses to shoe. The world changes and you have to keep up.

That was lack of demand

Demand is still there for nightclubs, and yes the young go. Some would to curtail life for the youngest but I very much hope they don’t get their vision of life.