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Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?

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MrsHastingslikethebattle · 14/06/2021 23:08

Everyone whom I know is more scared of the Governments reaction to Covid, than Covid itself.

The vaccinations are the most protection we are ever going to get, and yes people will still die.

Why can't we just accept that people die of Covid like we accept thousands each year who have died through flu and other preventable diseases?Millions and millions of people have died through smoking and alcohol, costing millions to the NHS. Yet we haven't banned them?
Viruses mutate and Covid is no different. They're will be variants indefinitely. Are we to cower behind our sofas every time a new one is announced?
The media in full force say how serious the new strain is, then lo and behold, weeks later it shows the vaccines are still offering high protection.
Public Health have started there is no correlation between the Indian variant and hospital admissions.
There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital, yet hospitality is are still targeted with table service, masks and track and trace.

When did this become about cases? not deaths and hospital admissions like it was to begin with?

The media and government have done well to completely scare people into submission. This is no longer about protection, its control and power.

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Everyone in real life has had enough and can see through this bullshit for what it really is!

#Imdone

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MiaMc · 16/06/2021 22:58

@hamstersarse

Bolton Hospital's numbers have fallen already

Admissions:

25th May 14
6th June 4

People are also staying in for less time indictaing these are younger people 'in for observation'

Perhaps their numbers appear to have fallen as they’re having to refer patients to other Trusts

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-case-rates-bolton-hospital-b1866921.html

Tealightsandd · 16/06/2021 23:04

I don't see how being ill enough to need admittance to hospital is nothing serious. Particularly for a young person. To be so ill, that you need hospital - that must be pretty sick. We also don't know the long term effects. Over the past year many hospitalised patients ended up being readmitted months later (quite a few later died but obviously aren't officially counted as Covid deaths because it was well outside of 28 days) and/or have suffered ongoing issues.

namechanged984630 · 16/06/2021 23:10

@MrsHastingslikethebattle it's infectious. Honestly. I know we all went reality to be different but it... isnt. This is the sad reality we're (temporarily) in. An infectious disease that grows exponentially and hospitalises a significant percentage, including healthy people.

Tealightsandd · 16/06/2021 23:14

I just hope the UK government hasn't confused elimination with suppression and containment. Almost no other country in the world is doing nothing to contain, just letting it spread, happy to let the bodies pile up, ignoring the financial implications of Long Covid disability. I guess that's why we are the red list country for so many others. We are a high risk country.

SonnetForSpring · 16/06/2021 23:19

@Tealightsandd

I just hope the UK government hasn't confused elimination with suppression and containment. Almost no other country in the world is doing nothing to contain, just letting it spread, happy to let the bodies pile up, ignoring the financial implications of Long Covid disability. I guess that's why we are the red list country for so many others. We are a high risk country.
Exactly
MercyBooth · 16/06/2021 23:46

@MrsHastingslikethebattle Check this out

twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1405056295766528001?s=20

Backofbeyond50 · 17/06/2021 00:10

Over the past year many hospitalised patients ended up being readmitted months later (quite a few later died but obviously aren't officially counted as Covid deaths because it was well outside of 28 days) and/or have suffered ongoing issues.
@Tealightsandd yes I read this too.

Backofbeyond50 · 17/06/2021 00:19

Found this @Tealightsandd

Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?
Tealightsandd · 17/06/2021 00:22

It's really worrying. And definitely being downplayed.

PolkadotFlamingos · 17/06/2021 01:32

We banned China flights back at the start.

Not until February 2020. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Kazzyhoward · 17/06/2021 07:43

@PolkadotFlamingos

We banned China flights back at the start.

Not until February 2020. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

We didn't ban people coming indirectly from China.
PracticingPerson · 17/06/2021 07:46

@Backofbeyond50

Over the past year many hospitalised patients ended up being readmitted months later (quite a few later died but obviously aren't officially counted as Covid deaths because it was well outside of 28 days) and/or have suffered ongoing issues. *@Tealightsandd* yes I read this too.
Yes this is a real concern and being deliberately downplayed.

The whole country is being lied to and has been lied to since the start. The deaths of those who were very old were dreadful but not the whole of the dreadfulness of covid.

nordica · 17/06/2021 08:22

@Dave20

I also wondered how vaccines would work if everyone had to have them every year? How would they facilitate this? They’ve turned village halls and other venues as vaccine centres. How could they facilitate 55 odd million people having vaccines every year? I can’t see how logistically it would work.
Even though it would require a lot of premises and staff, financially it would only be a drop in the ocean compared to the huge cost of lockdowns. And even the more expensive (Pfizer/Moderna) vaccines are really cheap compared to the cost of treating tens of thousands of patients in hospital for an extended period of time.
MarshaBradyo · 17/06/2021 08:25

Yes this is a real concern and being deliberately downplayed.

The whole country is being lied to and has been lied to since the start. The deaths of those who were very old were dreadful but not the whole of the dreadfulness of covid.

Yet using statistics and information to bring about higher compliance has been a tool throughout. So no I think you’re imagining this.

MarshaBradyo · 17/06/2021 08:27

If you consider why death and other stats have been released daily you’ll see it’s your anxiety feeding that view.

MrsHastingslikethebattle · 17/06/2021 10:28

[quote namechanged984630]@MrsHastingslikethebattle it's infectious. Honestly. I know we all went reality to be different but it... isnt. This is the sad reality we're (temporarily) in. An infectious disease that grows exponentially and hospitalises a significant percentage, including healthy people. [/quote]
A significant percentage? Less than 1% of people in hospital due to Covid.

66 people out of 68 million is a significant percentage?

Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the wee donkey.

Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?
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MrsHastingslikethebattle · 17/06/2021 10:32

[quote MercyBooth]@MrsHastingslikethebattle Check this out

twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1405056295766528001?s=20[/quote]
Scary, very scary.

So every winter we must lockdown from here on, but we've let elderly and vulnerable die in the their 10s of thousands every winter from flu and not batted an eye lid?

The way this world is going scares me and we need to be vocal and make a stand.

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TheKeatingFive · 17/06/2021 10:39

Scary, very scary.

I honestly don’t think this nonsense will fly. If health services are struggling, the logical response is to bolster them, not lockdown every five minutes. Anyone with a functioning brain will see that.

Other countries will help set they tone for this also. No way will the UK population stand for being under stricter measures than the rest of Western Europe/North America in the longer term.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 17/06/2021 10:46

Anyone with a functioning brain will see that.

I think the people with functioning brains worked out that no healthcare system in the world could cope with unrestricted covid and that systems would be so overwhelmed that you wouldn’t be able to bolster it enough. That’s why the whole world is putting restrictions and systems in place to control covid numbers. They didn’t just do it for laughs or because there’s a huge global conspiracy theory to curtail everyone’s rights.

TheKeatingFive · 17/06/2021 10:48

I think the people with functioning brains worked out that no healthcare system in the world could cope with unrestricted covid and that systems would be so overwhelmed that you wouldn’t be able to bolster it enough.

I’m talking about going forward. With high vaccination rates. Not March 2020.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 17/06/2021 10:56

Yes, but we’re a long way from the point where we can do that, even in the U.K.

And once we’d done the over 40’s and CV we got the vaccination strategy wrong here. Thee we u should have opened it to everyone on a first come first served basis or approved it for children and worked up.

TheKeatingFive · 17/06/2021 11:01

Yes, but we’re a long way from the point where we can do that, even in the U.K.

So what is the plan?

This winter? Next winter? Further winters?

Given that lockdown compliance is probably irredeemably shot now, what are the powers that be putting in place?

And once we’d done the over 40’s and CV we got the vaccination strategy wrong here

I don’t understand this position either. Deaths/serious illness are strongly and clearly correlated with age. What would have been better?

Namenic · 17/06/2021 11:01

It’s a very good idea to find the nhs better. But it would be counterproductive to release all restrictions BEFORE you have effected that change and seen results WHILE there is a real danger of admissions going up (as it has done in previous waves) and setting nhs back even further. It sounds very sensible to pause and get as many vaccinations in as possible.

TheKeatingFive · 17/06/2021 11:03

It sounds very sensible to pause and get as many vaccinations in as possible.

I’m not denying that. But once the adult population is done, what happens then?

Quartz2208 · 17/06/2021 11:04

It not just as simple as approve for children though is it. It is one thing putting something which is still in the experimental stage into adults where the longer term risks for COVID far outweigh the risks attached to the vaccine and vaccinating children.

And in some ways we are - there are multiple over 18s vaccine pop ups around - Spurs stadium is doing on on Sunday, Twickenham did one.

We have done many things wrong in this pandemic I dont think how we have rolled out the vaccine programme is one of them