Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?

[MrsHastingslikethebattle]

Everyone whom I know is more scared of the Governments reaction to Covid, than Covid itself.

The vaccinations are the most protection we are ever going to get, and yes people will still die.

Why can't we just accept that people die of Covid like we accept thousands each year who have died through flu and other preventable diseases?Millions and millions of people have died through smoking and alcohol, costing millions to the NHS. Yet we haven't banned them?
Viruses mutate and Covid is no different. They're will be variants indefinitely. Are we to cower behind our sofas every time a new one is announced?
The media in full force say how serious the new strain is, then lo and behold, weeks later it shows the vaccines are still offering high protection.
Public Health have started there is no correlation between the Indian variant and hospital admissions.
There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital, yet hospitality is are still targeted with table service, masks and track and trace.

When did this become about cases? not deaths and hospital admissions like it was to begin with?

The media and government have done well to completely scare people into submission. This is no longer about protection, its control and power.

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Everyone in real life has had enough and can see through this bullshit for what it really is!

#Imdone

No one actually thinks “if restrictions save a single life they are worth it” do they?

Apparently they do; wasn't it Hancock himself who said one death was one too many, when defending restrictions?

As for whoever said that the American bounceback has been amazing, America has a constitution and a proper concept of freedom, both of which we lack

@Kanitawa

Of course it’s relevant. What do you do? I was a FE teacher. Government funding was cut by 75% and jobs disappeared. Several years ago, not because of Covid. I didn’t sit crying because there were no teaching jobs for me and whinging that college courses needed to be reopened. I got an office job as a graphic designer instead because those were available. Diversify.

So you got a job, on a similar level, provided by an employer, with plenty of warning there were going to be cut backs? And you think you can tell business owners, who cannot get a similar level of pay, who have employees they are responsible for, who may be able to open in a few weeks or may not, what they should/ shouldn’t be complaining about? Hahaha

'It also means though that the BBQ which my 17 year old DS is planning for him and 10 or 11 of his friends to celebrate the end of their school career is illegal.'

Tell him to have a smaller group! Honestly, most people are breaking the rules anyway so you mustn't get so fixated on numbers.

I'll say it again. Positivity, adapting and compromising. Try it, it is far better for mh than this constant pity party.

If EVERYONE had followed the 'rules' from the beginning, then things might have been different. Too many selfish twats, flying around the world for no good reason, dodging quarantine/isolation by using different routes, thinking they're clever. So many not wearing masks, or thinking that having one round your neck is fine, the list is endless. Yes, it's partly the government's poor management, but also a large part of this is some thinking that Covid couldn't affect them, so doing what they want. Look at the countries where they recovered quickly - very different behaviours from here, greater sense of social responsibility, stricter adherence to the 'law'. So now, after such a long period of job losses and hardships, the idiot minority have now decided it's enough, rather than wait a few more weeks ... and so it goes on and on.... ffs!

I stand by what I said. The world has changed and people who no longer fit into this “new normal” need to move on and diversify, and stop whinging about bringing back the good old days.

We’ll go back to nightclubs. As much as some don’t want it.

@Kanitawa

I stand by what I said. The world has changed and people who no longer fit into this “new normal” need to move on and diversify, and stop whinging about bringing back the good old days.

Ignorant and callous. Quite the combination. Good luck to you and all those with the misfortune of coming into contact with you

Nightclubs have been selling ticket nights in advance. Punters have been fighting to get them. Ditto festivals and football matches.
Nothing has changed there.

Plenty of underground stuff going on too.

@JaniieJones Fine; I’ll just tell all the struggling new mums and isolated older people in my deprived London borough that the Covid-related withdrawal of their library services, exercise facilities and child/community support groups is a trivial matter, and they need to think positive and have a (probably illegal) meet up in the communal area of their tower blocks.

If you really think ‘reduced life chances’ for young people just means ‘no prom’, and that struggling families just need to stop whinging and chill in their (often non-existent) gardens then there’s no point engaging with you any further.

[quote TempsPerdu]**@JaniieJones Fine; I’ll just tell all the struggling new mums and isolated older people in my deprived London borough that the Covid-related withdrawal of their library services, exercise facilities and child/community support groups is a trivial matter, and they need to think positive and have a (probably illegal) meet up in the communal area of their tower blocks.

If you really think ‘reduced life chances’ for young people just means ‘no prom’, and that struggling families just need to stop whinging and chill in their (often non-existent) gardens then there’s no point engaging with you any further.[/quote]
I shared my experience of having people in my industry losing their homes and seriously contemplating suicide, @JaniieJones conveniently ignored that and spoke about how we get two whole months of furlough!
It’s beyond belief how people can exist in their own little bubble with no care for others.

'If you really think ‘reduced life chances’ for young people just means ‘no prom’, and that struggling families just need to stop whinging and chill in their (often non-existent) gardens then there’s no point engaging with you any further.'

I know many dc in the ages groups directly affected. We could all sit and sob at the unfairness of the impact of covid on their education and socialisation or we could accept it has happened and how to mitigate long term affects. Constantly going on about the damage does not help, restrictions were for a reason, a public health crisis.

Gardens, parks, outdoor areas. Whatever. We can meet up so please stop over dramatising. If they don't go to toddler groups new parents can meet in a cafe.

Ignorant and callous. Quite the combination.
It’s not ignorant and callous to say we can’t stop the world. Progress happens. Life happens. Things change. We can’t make everything stand still because it doesn’t suit some people. They have to move with the times, as everyone throughout history has done. As I did when the government changed the law and ended my career.

#imdone

That's it in a nutshell really. And for those trying to minimise what people have sacrificed for the greater good in the last 17 months, give your head a wobble.

@HelloMissus

Nightclubs have been selling ticket nights in advance. Punters have been fighting to get them. Ditto festivals and football matches. Nothing has changed there.

Plenty of underground stuff going on too.

I agree I think pp is extrapolating a personal experience for some reason. It doesn’t apply to this.

@TempsPerdu completely agree with you. It baffles me how anyone who questions the restrictions is seen as some kind of neoconservative when actually it's the people with least who will continue to lose out the most. If you can afford Test Matches and Wimbledon centre court you will be able to fill your boots this summer. For the rest of us...be patient, think of others and remember that positive mindset!

'It’s beyond belief how people can exist in their own little bubble with no care for others.'

I care for others. I just despair reading all this hysteria on mn. I presume some of you are parents and honestly your will negativity be having a far more detrimental effect on those around you than a pause in the last restrictions being lifted will. It is not that bad!

Please try and be positive and forward thinking for you're family's sake if not your own.

[quote ihearttc]@OliveTree75

Are you actually serious? My parents are over 80 and would gladly give up their lives so that me and my grandchildren can actually live our lives. In the words of my Dad “We’ve already had our lives, I don’t want to spend another year like this Id rather not be here anymore”.

I’m sure there are many many more people to feel like this. I’ve got a 16 year old who is at rock bottom, for everyone saying oh but you can do everything now anyway he really can’t. No football matches to watch (he has a season ticket he hasn’t even sat in this year), no F1 which has been planned for ages (thanks to last night announcements), no prom, no Summer job as no one is hiring, no holiday abroad. No much life for a 16 year old is it? But that’s ok as long as 1 life can be saved?

I’m a TA and have worked throughout. I’ve had Covid and been double vaccinated but STILL my life is on hold. Incidentally I was far far sicker from the vaccine than I was from Covid.

This has to stop and life has to go on. The effect this is having on children and young people is awful.[/quote]
Why have you tagged my name?

@Kanitawa

Ignorant and callous. Quite the combination. It’s not ignorant and callous to say we can’t stop the world. Progress happens. Life happens. Things change. We can’t make everything stand still because it doesn’t suit some people. They have to move with the times, as everyone throughout history has done. As I did when the government changed the law and ended my career.

It is ignorant to ignore what everyone, who works within those industries is telling you!

The law has temporarily changed and you’re telling people to throw away years of work for those temporary measures.

You are telling people to close their businesses and make their employees unemployed when they could be up and running again in weeks.

You have no clue about the enormity or responsibility.

There are at least 200,000 jobs on the line. What happens if they all become unemployed, with a similar skills, at the same time?

'Punters have been fighting to get them. Ditto festivals and football matches.'

Yes, ours are all off to festivals and concerts soon. Do I say 'oh no poor you there will be testing and everything it will be awful, poor you the government are dictators!!!'. Nope. I'll say have fun it may be a longer queue with SD, testing etc but there you go. Try it!

I can't understand the overreaction by some on here, it really is as if they've said stay at home and shut leisure and hospitality down. Madness.

The law has temporarily changed
Maybe it won’t be temporary. Covid isn’t going anywhere. It’s possible that large gatherings with no social distancing may never be safe again. Imo the world has fundamentally and permanently changed. What happens, happens. If some businesses go under then it’s just tough. Others will appear in their place and life will go on.

'No football matches to watch (he has a season ticket he hasn’t even sat in this year), no F1 which has been planned for ages (thanks to last night announcements), no prom, no Summer job as no one is hiring, no holiday abroad. No much life for a 16 year old is it? But that’s ok as long as 1 life can be saved?'

Where?? Football matches are going on, no prom but they're all having DIY leavers dos which they've all loved, pubs restaurants all hiring. No holiday abroad true. Looking on the bright side the weather here is glorious!

Face masks , lining up for ages to get into a shop no dancing at events and not being allowed more than six inside your home is not normal I don’t get the things are almost normal crowd no they aren’t

If some businesses go under then it’s just tough. Others will appear in their place and life will go on.

You know, it tends to be the same callous individuals who come out with stuff like this who are simultaneously spouting nonsense about "no covid deaths" until we reopen the economy fully.

What you're referring to, in the main, are VIABLE businesses. Many of which have been completely decimated through a government vanity project.

I'm thrilled for you that you're not impacted by any of this, but for God's sake have some decency.

@Quartz2208

DancesWithTortoises masks is one thing but you do get the implications for hospitality and the arts sectors if social distancing doesn't get lifted don't you?

Sadly I do. I worked in theatre for may years before retiring.

I love theatre and live concerts but I value the NHS and the health of the population more.