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Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?

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MrsHastingslikethebattle · 14/06/2021 23:08

Everyone whom I know is more scared of the Governments reaction to Covid, than Covid itself.

The vaccinations are the most protection we are ever going to get, and yes people will still die.

Why can't we just accept that people die of Covid like we accept thousands each year who have died through flu and other preventable diseases?Millions and millions of people have died through smoking and alcohol, costing millions to the NHS. Yet we haven't banned them?
Viruses mutate and Covid is no different. They're will be variants indefinitely. Are we to cower behind our sofas every time a new one is announced?
The media in full force say how serious the new strain is, then lo and behold, weeks later it shows the vaccines are still offering high protection.
Public Health have started there is no correlation between the Indian variant and hospital admissions.
There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital, yet hospitality is are still targeted with table service, masks and track and trace.

When did this become about cases? not deaths and hospital admissions like it was to begin with?

The media and government have done well to completely scare people into submission. This is no longer about protection, its control and power.

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Everyone in real life has had enough and can see through this bullshit for what it really is!

#Imdone

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MarshaBradyo · 17/06/2021 11:05

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

Anyone with a functioning brain will see that.

I think the people with functioning brains worked out that no healthcare system in the world could cope with unrestricted covid and that systems would be so overwhelmed that you wouldn’t be able to bolster it enough. That’s why the whole world is putting restrictions and systems in place to control covid numbers. They didn’t just do it for laughs or because there’s a huge global conspiracy theory to curtail everyone’s rights.

Which restrictions will remain on July 19 do you think
UnmentionedElephantDildo · 17/06/2021 11:18

So what is the plan?

This winter? Next winter? Further winters?

It would be ridiculous to even think of planning that far ahead when you are up against a shape-shifting mutant. You deal with the here and now, with a general aim of getting to a position where no or only minimal restrictions are needed.

We're on 'D' version, and simply don't know wherther we will get E, F, G etc, when or what they will be like. If they are likely to cause a massive number of excess deaths (exceeding any aim of future covid being no more than flu numbers) or massive disruption by large-scale sick absences over a short-ish period, then we will surely need to take steps to avert it.

TheKeatingFive · 17/06/2021 11:19

This is quite interesting analysis in terms of how the transition occurs

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/17/how-do-we-learn-to-live-with-covid?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

TheKeatingFive · 17/06/2021 11:22

It would be ridiculous to even think of planning that far ahead when you are up against a shape-shifting mutant. You deal with the here and now

Not at all, planning for a range of possibilities is obviously best practice.

Bolstering of the nhs or shifting its focus will need significant time.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 17/06/2021 11:24

Which restrictions will remain on July 19 do you think

All the ones we currently have now. The question at this point is when we start to roll back the ones we loosened on 17th May.

MarshaBradyo · 17/06/2021 11:25

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

Which restrictions will remain on July 19 do you think

All the ones we currently have now. The question at this point is when we start to roll back the ones we loosened on 17th May.

You think this will happen or you want it to?

I’ve not seen anywhere suggest this is the case, we do have further unlocking on July 19 planned, can you link to what you’ve seen?

nordica · 17/06/2021 11:29

Increasing NHS capacity is not that easy though when the biggest issue is staffing. You can build new wards and buy equipment quite quickly but you can't train ICU nurses and specialist doctors. Obviously Brexit is not helping as why would EU nurses and doctors want to come here now.

TheKeatingFive · 17/06/2021 11:30

Increasing NHS capacity is not that easy though when the biggest issue is staffing. You can build new wards and buy equipment quite quickly but you can't train ICU nurses and specialist doctors

Absolutely. So what prep is being done now?

coolpoint · 17/06/2021 11:57

Do you really think this is all about saving life especially when we have failed so many people and we still do from homelessness, austerity, drugs, wars, drowning on the channel/Mediterranean?

Namenic · 17/06/2021 12:26

IF cases and admissions have gone up by 19 jul, it would be silly to open up further at that point.

If cases have gone up but admissions, hospitalised covid patients and deaths are flat, then consider allowing larger indoor venues - eg up to 50 people. Then wait for 4 weeks and review.

If stable after that then 100 people. Wait 4 weeks then review.

In the meantime, help businesses with a process to maybe consider lateral flow test proof before entry. Give financial support, boost nhs capacity. I think Economic impact will be less if we take a more measured approach rather than releasing all restrictions, cases and admissions going up and having to lock down again.

MercyBooth · 17/06/2021 15:16

Exactly @coolpoint Its about them trying to avoid sorting out the problems in the NHS

coolpoint · 17/06/2021 15:28

@MercyBooth there's many examples that I can mention how our leaders see us/seen us as disposable, why all of a sudden change of heart where they care SO much about us that they need to shut the country down, kill our economy, our livelihoods, our mental health when majority of us is all vaccinated? Do they really care about us? Why didn't they care enough when they didn't shut the borders on time protecting us from the Indian variant? I have no faith and I'm afraid my 2.5 yo son will study this in schools in the future in his economy, history classes how our leaders fucked us all over. The virus is real but it's also real to the rest of the world who have been living a normal life for the past year without further damaging their economy and mental health.

thecatsatonthewall · 17/06/2021 15:54

@TheKeatingFive

Increasing NHS capacity is not that easy though when the biggest issue is staffing. You can build new wards and buy equipment quite quickly but you can't train ICU nurses and specialist doctors

Absolutely. So what prep is being done now?

Based on what my Dc has seen in 3 hospital trusts, nothing at all, staffing is getting worse.

Med students still have to pay the full tuition fees and the 5 ot 6 % interest on their loans.

they do get back 5k per year but thats in installments and doesn't even cover rent.

starting pay is less than if they went graduate intake at Lidl's.

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