Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?

[MrsHastingslikethebattle]

Everyone whom I know is more scared of the Governments reaction to Covid, than Covid itself.

The vaccinations are the most protection we are ever going to get, and yes people will still die.

Why can't we just accept that people die of Covid like we accept thousands each year who have died through flu and other preventable diseases?Millions and millions of people have died through smoking and alcohol, costing millions to the NHS. Yet we haven't banned them?
Viruses mutate and Covid is no different. They're will be variants indefinitely. Are we to cower behind our sofas every time a new one is announced?
The media in full force say how serious the new strain is, then lo and behold, weeks later it shows the vaccines are still offering high protection.
Public Health have started there is no correlation between the Indian variant and hospital admissions.
There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital, yet hospitality is are still targeted with table service, masks and track and trace.

When did this become about cases? not deaths and hospital admissions like it was to begin with?

The media and government have done well to completely scare people into submission. This is no longer about protection, its control and power.

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Everyone in real life has had enough and can see through this bullshit for what it really is!

#Imdone

We won't have nightclubs and music festivals for a while yet. Life is pretty much back to normal for so many of us. We can go to restaurants, work as normal (that never stopped for me as I work in a school). The only thing is travel, and even though we could relax the restrictions now, other countries make up their own rules and it doesn't mean they'd let us in anyway.

I think your are completely over egging it OP. Get over yourself. There is no conspiracy here.

Not just a respiratory virus either OP. It causes issues with multiple organs.

@QwertyGirly if you work in a school how can you possibly say life is back to normal. For you maybe but for the kids? Not a chance.

Kids are fine. Full classes here. Face masks in corridors. Mock GCSEs going ahead.

@iminthegarden

Agree. They said they wanted the AT Risk groups to be vaccinated then we'll be free, which they already are, but now the focus is All adults to have at least 1 vaccine, even though the younger adults are very unlikely to be very ill. I am however very hopeful that July 29th will be the end if it. If that doesn't happen, I'm out!

Have all the AT RISK groups been vaccinated? Are you sure about that? Because they actually haven't.

The under 18s who received shielding letters haven't been vaccinated yet. Maybe they're just expected to stay at home while the rest of the country gets back to normal.

I agree with you 💯

There are a number of people who love the drama, start posts with how the numbers are increasing and x or y should be done. Many use hyperbole, hysteria and emotions to scare the anxious, look at this graph or that graph. They appear to love the drama and don't want it to end.

Meanwhile, people die of other things but unless covid it doesn't matter.

We must learn to live with the virus.

OP, I'm with you. The constant moving of the goalposts is what makes me think there's more going on. I don't mean, of course, Bill Gates injecting microchips into half the world's population, rather is this more about control? Is it financial?

I just don't know, but I don't believe that this remains a singular issue of public health. We're already being primed for the inevitable "4th wave".

I'd love to be wrong, but I can't see this being over with by July.

@QwertyGirly restaurants may feel normal for you because you are sitting at a table, but for the owners it's the equivalent of you paying 100% of your bills with 25% of your income, after losing a huge chunk of money.
Again , totally shocked that the majority of people think everything is normal except for nightclubs????

Ahah @Dontforgetyourbrolly . I'm one person, not 'a majority of people'. Slight exaggeration there, like the rest of this thread.

@BonnesVacances

There are parents out there with CEV and CV children who do want to vaccinate their kids and currently haven't been able to yet. So the OP's assertion that all CV people have been vaccinated is incorrect.

This has nothing to do with your egocentric viewpoint about whether they should be doing it all, and whether you want to vaccinate your own DC or not, so there's no need to crowbar that in.

Egocentric? You mean sensible. Don't know who has a more egocentric opinion- you ( who wants all to be vaccinated to keep you safe) or me :-)

I don’t think now is the problem. Winter is the problem, I can already see now vaccinations will wear off for the oldest and vulnerable and they will start to push hospital rates up again and lo and behold we are locking down to stop the nhs getting overwhelmed with so many patients.

@katfold

If restrictions save a single life they are worth it. And that's before you even consider Long Covid. Saving life is so important, and we must never ease restrictions until we know for sure every life have been saved. If the economy collapses, jobs are lost, it is all worth it if it extends just one life by even a day. Maybe some us just care more, maybe that's just how we are made

This cannot be genuine.

Really? Keep all restrictions and economy goes down the pan to prevent a single covid death? And what about all the people dying from other stuff?

Fuck me, some people are fucking dense. And then dress it up with the passive aggressive "oh but I'm just so much more caring".

People who think everything is ‘normal’ live very insular lives.
Entire industries are operating in strange and extremely inefficient/expensive ways that has a huge impact.
Both DH and I work in affected industries and it’s a mare. Many people have lost and will lose their livelihoods. But apparently that doesn’t matter...

@katfold

If restrictions save a single life they are worth it. And that's before you even consider Long Covid. Saving life is so important, and we must never ease restrictions until we know for sure every life have been saved. If the economy collapses, jobs are lost, it is all worth it if it extends just one life by even a day. Maybe some us just care more, maybe that's just how we are made

Either this is a piss take or otherwise one of the most pathetic posts I've seen 🙄

Have a biscuit if you actually meant this

@katfold

If restrictions save a single life they are worth it. And that's before you even consider Long Covid. Saving life is so important, and we must never ease restrictions until we know for sure every life have been saved. If the economy collapses, jobs are lost, it is all worth it if it extends just one life by even a day. Maybe some us just care more, maybe that's just how we are made

That’s the sort of post that boils my piss

Are you 10?

@imforourfreedomback

Egocentric? You mean sensible. Don't know who has a more egocentric opinion- you ( who wants all to be vaccinated to keep you safe) or me :-)

Excuse me? Where did I say I wanted all vaccinated to keep me safe? Good grief!

I was simply pointing out the OP's statement that all clinical vulnerable people have been vaccinated is incorrect and they haven't. I'm sorry that you're struggling to understand this really very simple point and have decided to turn it into something else.

Yep agree. 1.3 million people die every year globally due to car/ traffic accidents and 50 million are injured they haven’t stopped us driving!

I think they may have to be extended beyond July.

Long Covid has become a real problem and it's vital to try to prevent the spread of the virus. Social distancing and masks should stay for a long time. It helps prevent the spread of flu as well. Bonus!

Nobody enjoys the restrictions but we can't let the virus run wild.

The US has been able to open up because it has for awhile being able to offer out vaccinations to anyone over 12 who wants one. As has Israel.

They have done the vaccination programme differently - we have (correctly for us I think) done it in a very organised manner of by age.

The June 21st date should never have existed it should always have been attached to the vaccination programme. 19th July makes sense - along with some lifting and testing of events at June 21st.

But at that point where we are at an amazing vaccination level we need to let it go a little bit and allow for personal responsibility because as I have said on other threads there is a lot of people livelihood which are nowhere near back to normal

DancesWithTortoises masks is one thing but you do get the implications for hospitality and the arts sectors if social distancing doesn't get lifted don't you?

All those people saying "on but life is back to normal!" - so wrong.

Nobody working in the aviation, tourism or holiday industry is back to anything like normal. Likewise theatres, concerts, music festivals, nightclubs. Now I personally don't want to go clubbing, but I'm not short-sighted enough to realise that a lot of people would.

If you want to to any indoor attraction or a museum you have to book a slot, and wear a mask. That's not normal.

In Scotland, I can currently have up to 6 adults from 3 households inside my house. As children over 12 are counted as "adults", and all three of my children are over the age of 12, that means that legally, I am allowed one additional person in the house to bring it to 6. So I can invite my parents over, but one would have to stay outside. Even at the Scottish government's utopian "level 0" - we can only have 8 adults from 4 households inside. Not normal by ANY stretch of the imagination.

My children are still being asked to wear their masks at all times in school. That's not normal.

Until last week, I was being asked not to travel into Glasgow unless for essential reasons. Not normal either.

@Quartz2208

The US has been able to open up because it has for awhile being able to offer out vaccinations to anyone over 12 who wants one. As has Israel.

They have done the vaccination programme differently - we have (correctly for us I think) done it in a very organised manner of by age.

The June 21st date should never have existed it should always have been attached to the vaccination programme. 19th July makes sense - along with some lifting and testing of events at June 21st.

But at that point where we are at an amazing vaccination level we need to let it go a little bit and allow for personal responsibility because as I have said on other threads there is a lot of people livelihood which are nowhere near back to normal

Without the delta variant it would have been ok to go ahead?

@imforourfreedomback, my dc is cv. And he wants to get vaccinated, for his own benefit, so he can have normal life and stop being afraid of catching the virus. If he catch it and dies, it's inevitable because he has weak immune system? No, it's avoidable, and like you care for your dcs, I do pretty much want my dc be healthy and alive.

You don't need to vaccinate your children, it's your choice.
And the vaccine will protect everyone, not just elderly and vulnerable, including people who chose not to vaccinate.

The under 18s who received shielding letters haven't been vaccinated yet. Maybe they're just expected to stay at home while the rest of the country gets back to normal.

The idea/ fantasy that we can all live exactly the same lives as the next person under the guise of equality is partly how we have got in this mess.

My risk is very low, always has been. Yet I’ve been coerced into thinking that I am somehow at risk. I’m not. I don’t care. I’ve had it, got a bit ill for a day or 2, not the worst thing I’ve ever had by any stretch.

There are other people less fortunate (?) who do need to be more vigilant, fine. It’s the same with so many millions of things in the world. Some people have very poor eyesight so can’t drive, some people can’t sit in the sun without their skin combusting, some people can’t eat certain foods without anaphylactic shock, some people have a gene that causes breast cancer.

The idea that we are all at the same risk is ludicrous. It is perfectly possible to shield if you are truly still concerned (although if you have been vaccinated I’d be questioning your mental health). That’s why so many people are ‘done’, they are usually people who have no fear because they have no risk, and those who do aggressively enforcing some fake risk on them for a prolonged period of time is just selfish.

You do you. I’ll do me.

People who think everything is ‘normal’ live very insular lives
This is Mumsnet... and really, where do parents go? To work while kids go to school or nursery. To kids activities. To visit family. To shops or restaurants at the weekend. They’re stuck in the house every night with kids in bed. If they’re lucky they might be able to go to the gym or have a drink with a friend. All of that stuff is open. What else could they realistically do that isn’t available?