Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?

[MrsHastingslikethebattle]

Everyone whom I know is more scared of the Governments reaction to Covid, than Covid itself.

The vaccinations are the most protection we are ever going to get, and yes people will still die.

Why can't we just accept that people die of Covid like we accept thousands each year who have died through flu and other preventable diseases?Millions and millions of people have died through smoking and alcohol, costing millions to the NHS. Yet we haven't banned them?
Viruses mutate and Covid is no different. They're will be variants indefinitely. Are we to cower behind our sofas every time a new one is announced?
The media in full force say how serious the new strain is, then lo and behold, weeks later it shows the vaccines are still offering high protection.
Public Health have started there is no correlation between the Indian variant and hospital admissions.
There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital, yet hospitality is are still targeted with table service, masks and track and trace.

When did this become about cases? not deaths and hospital admissions like it was to begin with?

The media and government have done well to completely scare people into submission. This is no longer about protection, its control and power.

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Everyone in real life has had enough and can see through this bullshit for what it really is!

#Imdone

I agree with you OP
And we dont know how any illness is going to affect us until we have it, that's how it has always been...
I am also baffled now with the emphasis on cases, surely if deaths are low then that's a moot point ?
All I have heard for 15 months is that the nhs can't cope . What were the nightingale hospitals for ? Another waste of money ..track and trace and restrictions clearly not having the effect they hoped for. Time for something different? How about opening up fully then ? Generating some income for the nhs ? Where do people think the money comes from anyway

We have swapped to Pfizer for the younger age group and had 100 no shows on one day last week

Maybe because young people are generally at work and in jobs where they can’t just take time off to queue. My 19 year old can’t wait to be vaccinated but there are no walk ins here doing his are group , only over 40s.

My two sons in their twenties are both vaccinated now. All their friends are very keen but it’s difficult to get appointments outside work hours.

100% agree with OP

There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital

You think 3.5 million people caught it in hospital?

I do agree op but I’m more peeved with those that are against the vaccine or testing .
What do those people want ?
Testing and the vaccine is the way out of this , let’s get the majority double vaccinated and encourage testing and 4 weeks time hopefully we will be in a better position.
I know I’m fed up with the just a bit longer and it’s tempting to refuse but I agree with others we are nearly there .

100% agree

@RedSoloCup

Agree fed up and done, esp want the end to bloody masks but been told that could be years 😢😢😢😢

They are stopping in Denmark /the US /I stopped wearing mine

Brexit is rearing it’s head again and COVID fills the headlines nicely so the brexit stuff goes unnoticed.
I know it’s not flu but in the last 10 years a huge number of people have died from flu and we didn’t even roll out a full vaccination program. We basically did nothing and accepted they would die. If flu deaths ( and sepsis which is treatable if caught soon enough) are acceptable why are COVID deaths not? If we are going to try and stop COVID deaths are we going to do the same for flu and sepsis? I am aware the causes and transmission is different but are we going to spend money on prevention?
Let’s face it COVID isn’t going to go away. In the 1600s they had repeated bouts of plague for years.

I am also baffled now with the emphasis on cases, surely if deaths are low then that's a moot point?

Easy to explain:

Death rate is low now. At the start of the wave we can tell prevalence by number of cases but deaths are so low they are not a reliable measure of spread. Once cases reach a certain number the deaths are proportional to the cases because the vulnerable population is starting to get it.

This exact discussion happened at the start of the second wave for the same reason.

There will be a non-trivial death toll for this third wave. Hopefully not many before the seasonal effect makes it peak.

I am with you OP ... screw people who are on the verge of suicide (2 of my friends done it ) people losing business /mental health crisis etc but yep everything is covid

@katfold

If restrictions save a single life they are worth it. And that's before you even consider Long Covid. Saving life is so important, and we must never ease restrictions until we know for sure every life have been saved. If the economy collapses, jobs are lost, it is all worth it if it extends just one life by even a day. Maybe some us just care more, maybe that's just how we are made

Are you serious with this?

Don’t be so melodramatic. We are not stopping life to preserve life. We are more or less back to normal with some restrictions, that are due to lift 19th July

All we can’t do is go to nightclubs, and large events have reduced numbers. Theatres are testing numbers to open again, yes we have SD in pubs and restaurants but according to MN lots are open. Yes we wear masks, but it’s not difficult

We are being asked to wait a few more weeks for the younger age groups to be vaccinated. Yes there will always be variants but with the majority vaccinated, and hopefully the vaccine working against any variants we can open up and the covid jab becomes an annual thing like the flu jab

Whilst in the beginning the majority seemed to get it fixed a hospitals and care homes that’s not the case now. I am in a high covid case area. It’s been caused by the younger generations ignoring guidelines, having large illegal parties, plus those living in multi generational houses, with the elderly refusing vaccines and it spread fast and hard

If we open up now, with a lot still not vaccinated cases will continue to rise and so will hospitalisation. Surely we have to learn from other times we opened up too early, we do it right now and we can all ‘go back to normal’

Personally I am sick to death of the selfish me,me,me attitude of people, including the majority on here.

Totally agree. For some people of course it's not a big deal to extend by another month. For others, it is a huge price to pay - for children, 18 months of their life seems like a lifetime. We are now waiting to hear about prom being cancelled, last ever school plays and trips... it's easy when your life has not been impacted that much, if what you usually do is just do the things we are allowed to do now. For some people, their key social activities (clubs, theatre etc) have ended, and for many, that's their livelihood. The NHS is very far from being overwhelmed this time. They talk about cases not hospitalisations much - because hospitalisations are still quite low.
And all this because Boris refused to put India on the red list like Pakistan. It is totally his fault. Please do not vote for him again!

@OliveTree75

Are you actually serious? My parents are over 80 and would gladly give up their lives so that me and my grandchildren can actually live our lives. In the words of my Dad “We’ve already had our lives, I don’t want to spend another year like this Id rather not be here anymore”.

I’m sure there are many many more people to feel like this. I’ve got a 16 year old who is at rock bottom, for everyone saying oh but you can do everything now anyway he really can’t. No football matches to watch (he has a season ticket he hasn’t even sat in this year), no F1 which has been planned for ages (thanks to last night announcements), no prom, no Summer job as no one is hiring, no holiday abroad. No much life for a 16 year old is it? But that’s ok as long as 1 life can be saved?

I’m a TA and have worked throughout. I’ve had Covid and been double vaccinated but STILL my life is on hold. Incidentally I was far far sicker from the vaccine than I was from Covid.

This has to stop and life has to go on. The effect this is having on children and young people is awful.

@Whysolong7

With respect when you say this...

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Do you not think it’s just that in RL you hang around with like minded people, or people who politely don’t disagree?

I am talking about work colleagues who are totally fed up themselves. Immediate and wider family. Friends.

Who have all been telling me what a joke it all is.

@RuggerHug

Not everyone is vaccinated yet.

Why does everyone need to be vaccinated?

The clinically vulnerable and elderly have been vaccinated. Over 98% of Covid deaths and hospital admissions have been 60 and over.

Matt Hancock said we can cry freedom once the over 70s have been vaccinated. Were now vaccinated the 30s in some areas and still its delayed.

Applause for that post

@Chloemol

Don’t be so melodramatic. We are not stopping life to preserve life. We are more or less back to normal with some restrictions, that are due to lift 19th July

All we can’t do is go to nightclubs, and large events have reduced numbers. Theatres are testing numbers to open again, yes we have SD in pubs and restaurants but according to MN lots are open. Yes we wear masks, but it’s not difficult

We are being asked to wait a few more weeks for the younger age groups to be vaccinated. Yes there will always be variants but with the majority vaccinated, and hopefully the vaccine working against any variants we can open up and the covid jab becomes an annual thing like the flu jab

Whilst in the beginning the majority seemed to get it fixed a hospitals and care homes that’s not the case now. I am in a high covid case area. It’s been caused by the younger generations ignoring guidelines, having large illegal parties, plus those living in multi generational houses, with the elderly refusing vaccines and it spread fast and hard

If we open up now, with a lot still not vaccinated cases will continue to rise and so will hospitalisation. Surely we have to learn from other times we opened up too early, we do it right now and we can all ‘go back to normal’

Personally I am sick to death of the selfish me,me,me attitude of people, including the majority on here.

👏👏👏

@Chloemol melodramatic?
I lost my career and just about scraping by .....I'm one of thousands if not millions.

Covid is a working class problem it seems . How blinkered of you to think this is all about going to nightclubs , I'm embarrassed for you .

No they are not but the NHS faces a backlog of 5.3m operations, that will take many years to clear, if ever.
Real lives ruined, people left in pain, stopping work etc etc anyone who can, get medical ins because the NHS wil do nothing for you atm - my MiL in agony with her knee, can't walk, stand up or weight bare - 12 to 18m wait.

*The NHS cannot afford to be anywhere near overwhelmed.

This why the restrictions cannot be lifted.*

Just one COVID admission to ICU. You know maybe someone in their 50s or above who believed all the minimising that it was just flu so refused the vax could take away a bed from a real person who needs surgery for something really debilitating.
Yes that happens every winter in the NHS but not to this level.

Gove was on BBC Breakfast this morning and spoke on this point. Boris, Vallence and Whitty have all spoken on it in the past too.

They all say we are working towards a liveable with level.

I don't think they are all likely to be outright lying on this.

We need a largely vaccinated population in order to achieve it, because if the disease is circulating freely in a population where only a part is vaccinated, you will still see large numbers of cases, and a small proportion of a large number is still going to be a large number. It's also the conditions which most favour the emergence of new variants

There will be many people not getting the vaccine for many reasons so we will never all be vaccinated but agree we need to get back to 'normal' let people take there own risks

@Chloemol

Don’t be so melodramatic. We are not stopping life to preserve life. We are more or less back to normal with some restrictions, that are due to lift 19th July

All we can’t do is go to nightclubs, and large events have reduced numbers. Theatres are testing numbers to open again, yes we have SD in pubs and restaurants but according to MN lots are open. Yes we wear masks, but it’s not difficult

We are being asked to wait a few more weeks for the younger age groups to be vaccinated. Yes there will always be variants but with the majority vaccinated, and hopefully the vaccine working against any variants we can open up and the covid jab becomes an annual thing like the flu jab

Whilst in the beginning the majority seemed to get it fixed a hospitals and care homes that’s not the case now. I am in a high covid case area. It’s been caused by the younger generations ignoring guidelines, having large illegal parties, plus those living in multi generational houses, with the elderly refusing vaccines and it spread fast and hard

If we open up now, with a lot still not vaccinated cases will continue to rise and so will hospitalisation. Surely we have to learn from other times we opened up too early, we do it right now and we can all ‘go back to normal’

Personally I am sick to death of the selfish me,me,me attitude of people, including the majority on here.

Three people died yesterday with COVID.

Many others died of different causes- yet we don't even think of taking away peoples freedoms for those.

It does not make sense anymore.

@Chloemol

Don’t be so melodramatic. We are not stopping life to preserve life. We are more or less back to normal with some restrictions, that are due to lift 19th July

All we can’t do is go to nightclubs, and large events have reduced numbers. Theatres are testing numbers to open again, yes we have SD in pubs and restaurants but according to MN lots are open. Yes we wear masks, but it’s not difficult

We are being asked to wait a few more weeks for the younger age groups to be vaccinated. Yes there will always be variants but with the majority vaccinated, and hopefully the vaccine working against any variants we can open up and the covid jab becomes an annual thing like the flu jab

Whilst in the beginning the majority seemed to get it fixed a hospitals and care homes that’s not the case now. I am in a high covid case area. It’s been caused by the younger generations ignoring guidelines, having large illegal parties, plus those living in multi generational houses, with the elderly refusing vaccines and it spread fast and hard

If we open up now, with a lot still not vaccinated cases will continue to rise and so will hospitalisation. Surely we have to learn from other times we opened up too early, we do it right now and we can all ‘go back to normal’

Personally I am sick to death of the selfish me,me,me attitude of people, including the majority on here.

It's the principle. Its setting a premise.

Why do we have to wait just another few weeks? There will be variants indefinitely, do we put restrictions in our lives on hold every time there is a variant?
No variant so far has been vaccine resistant?
Do we carry on mass testing healthy people and then they shot the case numbers in our face?

You say the only thing we cant do is nightclubs?
I have been to a pub twice since they've opened. Track and trace upon arrival (so anyone who has Covid in that pub means isolation and time off work), seated, can't stand up and walk around, download the pubs app to order, table service which takes ages as theres no staff, one way systems, mask every time you go for a piss.
I'd rather drink at home and so would a lot of people. Cheaper and less hassle.
Because of this, The pubs arent making nearly as half as the money they did. This is a whole sector which is suffering for another month. Not just barmaids, but suppliers at the top, fisherman, grocers, then connected businesses such as cleaners and taxis.
Another month to these people, just a few more weeks...

People really don't get it.

Not a "Lockdown Lover" BTW. Lockdown nearly broke me but I can see that taking a cautious approach fir these next 4 weeks will hopefully leD to more freedom overall and give NHS some breathing space to catch up.
I and yes on a small level it affects me too as I was looking forward to having a boogie at a wedding next month.
Also I get hospitality and gig industry is an issue but it will be more of an issue if things get worse and we have to bring in more restrictions. Hopefully not because of vaccine but who really knows?