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Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?

638 replies

MrsHastingslikethebattle · 14/06/2021 23:08

Everyone whom I know is more scared of the Governments reaction to Covid, than Covid itself.

The vaccinations are the most protection we are ever going to get, and yes people will still die.

Why can't we just accept that people die of Covid like we accept thousands each year who have died through flu and other preventable diseases?Millions and millions of people have died through smoking and alcohol, costing millions to the NHS. Yet we haven't banned them?
Viruses mutate and Covid is no different. They're will be variants indefinitely. Are we to cower behind our sofas every time a new one is announced?
The media in full force say how serious the new strain is, then lo and behold, weeks later it shows the vaccines are still offering high protection.
Public Health have started there is no correlation between the Indian variant and hospital admissions.
There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital, yet hospitality is are still targeted with table service, masks and track and trace.

When did this become about cases? not deaths and hospital admissions like it was to begin with?

The media and government have done well to completely scare people into submission. This is no longer about protection, its control and power.

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Everyone in real life has had enough and can see through this bullshit for what it really is!

#Imdone

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Eilethya · 15/06/2021 01:02

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If restrictions save a single life they are worth it. And that's before you even consider Long Covid. Saving life is so important, and we must never ease restrictions until we know for sure every life have been saved. If the economy collapses, jobs are lost, it is all worth it if it extends just one life by even a day. Maybe some us just care more, maybe that's just how we are made"

^^
What is this poop?

KiaKi · 15/06/2021 01:03

Deaths from all causes are at a five-year LOW. In before you know 2 people (it's always two I noticed lurking here) who were triathletes aged 25 and their children screamed at the graveside (which is funny when I read that here since funerals have been heavily restricted for ages).

Blue4YOU · 15/06/2021 01:10

Saving one life is worth it 🤣🤣. Tell that to the NHS and local councils - currently failing cancer patients and other patients with serious illnesses and many vulnerable people.
My seriously disabled DD can’t get her local council to look over approved building plans to determine from its lofty position as holder of public funds IN A PANDEMIC to deign to look at said plans and either approve or not the funding she deserves.
If I had to wear a mask - or 100 masks at a time - to make someone like my little girl’s life better I would but this absolute horseshit, spouted by the biggest liar in a public domain, that keeps us from hugging or whatever else it is we want to do (within reason) is just pathetic.
I’m sure there was a fighting spirit in this part of the world but it’s gone.
What did people do with the plague?
Delay opening nightclubs but leave airports wide open???

sleepwouldbenice · 15/06/2021 01:10

@MrsHastingslikethebattle

Everyone whom I know is more scared of the Governments reaction to Covid, than Covid itself.

The vaccinations are the most protection we are ever going to get, and yes people will still die.

Why can't we just accept that people die of Covid like we accept thousands each year who have died through flu and other preventable diseases?Millions and millions of people have died through smoking and alcohol, costing millions to the NHS. Yet we haven't banned them?
Viruses mutate and Covid is no different. They're will be variants indefinitely. Are we to cower behind our sofas every time a new one is announced?
The media in full force say how serious the new strain is, then lo and behold, weeks later it shows the vaccines are still offering high protection.
Public Health have started there is no correlation between the Indian variant and hospital admissions.
There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital, yet hospitality is are still targeted with table service, masks and track and trace.

When did this become about cases? not deaths and hospital admissions like it was to begin with?

The media and government have done well to completely scare people into submission. This is no longer about protection, its control and power.

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Everyone in real life has had enough and can see through this bullshit for what it really is!

#Imdone

get an original hashtag

You didn’t watch the briefing did you? No I thought not. They covered most of your ramblings in the briefing

I presume you also didn’t see the survey whereby most people wanted restrictions to carry on. No thought not

And I love the poster who responded saying they agreed with you, but Also said they wanted everyone vaccinated.... well that’s what they are proposing.....

Honestly .....

EmmaGrundyForPM · 15/06/2021 01:12

@katfold

If restrictions save a single life they are worth it. And that's before you even consider Long Covid. Saving life is so important, and we must never ease restrictions until we know for sure every life have been saved. If the economy collapses, jobs are lost, it is all worth it if it extends just one life by even a day. Maybe some us just care more, maybe that's just how we are made Smile
Is this supposed to be ironic?
KiaKi · 15/06/2021 01:13

I saw the polls that Brexit would fail completely and that happened. I saw the polls that there'd be a second referendum. I saw the polls that trump would never be elcted in 2016 and that happened. If anyone still believes in polls, especially when YouGov is a private company linked to the vaccine minister, I have a bridge for sale you may like to hear about.

Kanitawa · 15/06/2021 01:40

Why are you putting hashtags on MN? They’re not clickable or searchable on here... do you even know what hashtags are for?

PandemicAtTheDisco · 15/06/2021 02:00

@SonnetForSpring

It's very melodramatic to say the current restrictions stop life. A sense of perspective is seriously missing from MN these days.
Yep. Agree totally.
Susannahmoody · 15/06/2021 02:19

Agree.

I think the media is a lot to blame.

areforumsstillathing · 15/06/2021 03:32

@katfold

If restrictions save a single life they are worth it. And that's before you even consider Long Covid. Saving life is so important, and we must never ease restrictions until we know for sure every life have been saved. If the economy collapses, jobs are lost, it is all worth it if it extends just one life by even a day. Maybe some us just care more, maybe that's just how we are made Smile
You're being sarcastic, right?
Wanttocry · 15/06/2021 04:03

@katfold

If restrictions save a single life they are worth it. And that's before you even consider Long Covid. Saving life is so important, and we must never ease restrictions until we know for sure every life have been saved. If the economy collapses, jobs are lost, it is all worth it if it extends just one life by even a day. Maybe some us just care more, maybe that's just how we are made Smile
Is this sarcasm? I can’t tell anymore. It must be.. no one actually thinks “if restrictions save a single life they are worth it” do they? Because that would mean no one could ever leave their house, schools permanently closed, not just for covid, but for anything that may kill just one single person. Ever driven your car over 30mph? What a selfish person you are, speed limits should be reduced to 30 to save lives from car crashes! Actually cars should probably be banned. If it saves just one life then it’s worth it.

Katfold must be winding us up.

Losttheequipment · 15/06/2021 04:23

There’s very little that you can’t do within the current guidelines. I find it hard to believe that your life is being impacted that much.

Wanttocry · 15/06/2021 04:40

@Losttheequipment

There’s very little that you can’t do within the current guidelines. I find it hard to believe that your life is being impacted that much.
What do you mean? There’ll be loads of people who’s employment/business is disrupted or completely closed still.
Waxonwaxoff0 · 15/06/2021 04:57

I agree OP and no, I am not double jabbed. Had my first less than 3 weeks ago.

countrygirl99 · 15/06/2021 05:21

@katfold

If restrictions save a single life they are worth it. And that's before you even consider Long Covid. Saving life is so important, and we must never ease restrictions until we know for sure every life have been saved. If the economy collapses, jobs are lost, it is all worth it if it extends just one life by even a day. Maybe some us just care more, maybe that's just how we are made Smile
Fo you say that for flu, norovirus or any of the hundreds of other infectious viruses that kill vulnerable people every year? Bet my house you don't even give them a second thought.
countrygirl99 · 15/06/2021 05:24

@katfold a cold could kill my dad or my FIL. Do you want restrictions for colds? ourse not so you aren't really the so, so caring superior person you think you are, are you.

Syphonit · 15/06/2021 06:00

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Whatever9999 · 15/06/2021 06:12

@katfold

If restrictions save a single life they are worth it. And that's before you even consider Long Covid. Saving life is so important, and we must never ease restrictions until we know for sure every life have been saved. If the economy collapses, jobs are lost, it is all worth it if it extends just one life by even a day. Maybe some us just care more, maybe that's just how we are made Smile
But what about the lives that are lost to the restrictions?? Are they not worth anything?
PracticingPerson · 15/06/2021 06:14

Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?

No, but that's not why we're doing it. As before, the concern is a high number of hospitalisations meaning all other healthcare has to stop.

Opinion polls showed a clear majority supported delaying the full reopening, so I disagree that everyone is opposed.

trappedsincesundaymorn · 15/06/2021 06:14

@katfold

If restrictions save a single life they are worth it. And that's before you even consider Long Covid. Saving life is so important, and we must never ease restrictions until we know for sure every life have been saved. If the economy collapses, jobs are lost, it is all worth it if it extends just one life by even a day. Maybe some us just care more, maybe that's just how we are made Smile
A musician friend told me last week that if restrictions were not lifted then he could not see any point in carrying on with life. We are now extremely worried about him, as these restrictions will push him over the edge. But maybe some of us just care more eh?
Lostandtired1 · 15/06/2021 06:17

@katfold

If restrictions save a single life they are worth it. And that's before you even consider Long Covid. Saving life is so important, and we must never ease restrictions until we know for sure every life have been saved. If the economy collapses, jobs are lost, it is all worth it if it extends just one life by even a day. Maybe some us just care more, maybe that's just how we are made Smile
How about the lives of cancer patients who have had a delayed diagnosis and treatment because of restrictions?

How about people to scared to visit a GP or seek advice because they were too frightened to leave their house?

How about all the mental health issues and suicides from being in an endless lockdown? People committing suicide because they have lost their jobs or businesses have collapsed?

I am shocked at how blinkered some people have become.

Onceuponatime1818 · 15/06/2021 06:20

I also agree but once everyone’s had a chance to have at least of vaccine.

Stuffin · 15/06/2021 06:22

I see competitive caring has come out on this thread. Covid is not the worst thing that can happen or the only thing to kill people so yes lots of us including me are fed up with this.

Oh and before someone comes with but what about long covid. My DH has that and still thinks the restrictions are not proportional right now.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 15/06/2021 06:26

This has been so well explained, I am surprised there is yet another thread.

It is not mainly about lives, but about maintaining a credible hospital system. If hospitalisations exceed a certain number, not only will many more people die of COVID, but of everything else, and they won’t just be old. If a hospital is genuinely full, a paediatric appendicitis case once again becomes as fatal as it was in the Middle Ages.

In addition, palliative care fails, so not only do people die, but they die in great pain.

Yes, we could choose to just let anyone with COVID die untreated at home and that would solve the above problem. However, not many would make that choice. Otherwise, there are no other choices.

Choosing ‘life’ over lives means choosing a painful death for many people, and not just old ones.