Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?

[MrsHastingslikethebattle]

Everyone whom I know is more scared of the Governments reaction to Covid, than Covid itself.

The vaccinations are the most protection we are ever going to get, and yes people will still die.

Why can't we just accept that people die of Covid like we accept thousands each year who have died through flu and other preventable diseases?Millions and millions of people have died through smoking and alcohol, costing millions to the NHS. Yet we haven't banned them?
Viruses mutate and Covid is no different. They're will be variants indefinitely. Are we to cower behind our sofas every time a new one is announced?
The media in full force say how serious the new strain is, then lo and behold, weeks later it shows the vaccines are still offering high protection.
Public Health have started there is no correlation between the Indian variant and hospital admissions.
There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital, yet hospitality is are still targeted with table service, masks and track and trace.

When did this become about cases? not deaths and hospital admissions like it was to begin with?

The media and government have done well to completely scare people into submission. This is no longer about protection, its control and power.

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Everyone in real life has had enough and can see through this bullshit for what it really is!

#Imdone

@Staffy1

As for protecting the NHS, it's been dead in the water for a long time. I thought the idea was it was supposed to protect us, not the other way around, but I've had to fork out for private health care numerous times because it's so crap.

Absolutely agree.

@Snookie00

Not sure if *@katfold* is trying to be ironic or just has an incredibly poor grasp of economics. Crashing the economy to save one life from covid is such an idiotic thing to say I can only hope that it was a joke. We have never and will never (hopefully) adopt a policy of preserving life at all costs. People die every day in road accidents, from asthma. Do we ban cars and planes? Children sometimes die on play equipment - should we ban all that? Processed food, alcohol, the list is endless. Do we ban everything to preserve one day of someone’s life? That’s even before you talk about the implications on life expectancy if we, as they’re proposing, crash the economy. Has covid really affected people’s rational thinking so badly?

It's mind-boggling that anybody could really believe something this stupid. Like you say, let's hope it was intended to be ironic!!!

Any rational thinking has long gone, same with common sense.

They are have been many viruses, diseases before Covid, which have been much worse and preventable, but yet none of them have resulted in restrictions to peoples lives.
There has been 3 deaths in the whole of country with Covid on their death certificate and yes we still can't stand up and go to bar or go to a shop without a mask.

The media and government have done a good job to scare people into submission. Unreliable statistics and sensationalism headlines have been shot in our face for the last 15 month.
Now they need the economy to open up again, they can't just switch it off like a tap.

There a set few at the top to profit from all of this. That's the only reason I can find to explain behind their motivations to keep up with this scare campaign.

@MistressoftheDarkSide

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/16/super-rich-family-dynastic-wealth-pandemic

@MrsHastingslikethebattle

Thought this might interest you.

I've had a quick scan and it does not surprise me one bit. It was, to my shock, printed in the tabloids a few month ago about who profits from Covid. Politicians, Boris' friends with PPE contracts etc, pharmaceutical companies. Theres a lot of profit to be had at the top as well their 15 minutes of fame.

It seems like some back bench politicians and scientists aren't willing to give up the spotlight just yet. Barely anyone knew who Matt Hancock or Chris Whitty was pre pandemic.

This article also highlights the profits made.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/case-against-covid-industrial-complex-pandemic-pharma-politicians-tech-profiting-2021-3%3famp

3 deaths yesterday* obviously not in total

At what point can we conclude deaths aren’t going up? I said a few weeks ago that the next few weeks would be key. But we aren’t seeing any increase.

@Delatron it's a tricky question. The delta variant is still very much in geographical 'pockets' ie much higher in the North West than in London. The national average is increasing slightly for hospital admission, but as the virus isn't spread evenly, it doesn't mean much.

North-west England is now averaging (as of 9th June) 216 hospital patients with Covid-19, up week-on-week by 24% and the highest number since April 27. In London, the average currently stands at 243, up 3% week-on-week to where it last stood on May 25.

So yes, hospitalisation is going up where there are more cases.

from www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/covid-19-patient-numbers-rising-in-more-regions-of-england/

@MrsHastingslikethebattle

Any rational thinking has long gone, same with common sense.

They are have been many viruses, diseases before Covid, which have been much worse and preventable, but yet none of them have resulted in restrictions to peoples lives.
There has been 3 deaths in the whole of country with Covid on their death certificate and yes we still can't stand up and go to bar or go to a shop without a mask.

The media and government have done a good job to scare people into submission. Unreliable statistics and sensationalism headlines have been shot in our face for the last 15 month.
Now they need the economy to open up again, they can't just switch it off like a tap.

There a set few at the top to profit from all of this. That's the only reason I can find to explain behind their motivations to keep up with this scare campaign.

This post is so wrong I'm not sure where to start with it.

There has been 3 deaths in the whole of country with Covid on their death certificate

eh @MrsHastingslikethebattle?

if this is what you genuinely think then I feel it renders the whole of the thread pointless

@speckledostrichegg

There has been 3 deaths in the whole of country with Covid on their death certificate

eh @MrsHastingslikethebattle?

if this is what you genuinely think then I feel it renders the whole of the thread pointless

Didn’t the op correct this to 3 deaths yesterday

Thanks @QwertyGirly I guess we need to see whether increased hospitalisations lead to increased deaths/overwhelmed hospitals.

@Delatron there is always a delay, but so far so good.

The other worry is the knock on effect of having a high hospitalisation rate on general NHS services and hospital care. So many doctors/nurses are off with stress and breakdown, exhaustion, and other services are reduced and the waiting lists are getting longer and longer. I do think that keeping the hospitalisation rate low is very important.

Less than 1% of hospital bed are currently occupied by those with Covid

@AlecTrevelyan006 that may be true nationally, but isn't correct if you take the region into account. In a town or region where there is a higher rate of Covid, the number of hospital beds taken by Covid patients is much higher. Bolton Hospital is a good example. Google it.

Which is why we should still have measures that will manage the spread of the virus in other areas of the UK.

Bolton Hospital's numbers have fallen already

Admissions:

25th May 14
6th June 4

People are also staying in for less time indictaing these are younger people 'in for observation'

This may be a silly question, apologies if so, but does anyone know how long the jab protects you for? Are we going to have to go through this all over again at some point, ie living with restrictions while the most vulnerable are given their boosters? Presumably not or this will go on forever ..

There’ll be a rolling programme of boosters every year like flu. They’re already working on it now.

Totally agree with you OP. I don't even know what the rules are anymore, nor do I care!

@lightand @Waxonwaxoff0

twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1405183844098191366?s=20

Mark Harper
@MarkJHarper
Documents I have seen confirm that work is underway in Govt to plan for Covid restrictions this autumn and winter…

…once people (who want it) are vaccinated, we must have an open society and proper ability for individuals to balance risks. We cannot hold society captive

@speckledostrichegg

There has been 3 deaths in the whole of country with Covid on their death certificate

eh @MrsHastingslikethebattle?

if this is what you genuinely think then I feel it renders the whole of the thread pointless

It was 3 deaths yesterday, I corrected it underneath straight away. However, if you still think the thread is pointless, close the door on your way out

I think Patrick Valance said the other day that if we didn’t have these vaccines then we would be facing even tighter restrictions.
Surely if we didn’t have vaccines then the country couldn’t be in a permanent state of lockdown and we would go bankrupt, and people’s mental health would just go out of control?
I cannot see how the world could continue if there was no vaccine, the global economy would collapse. The alternative would be just to live with it, I can’t see what else could be done.

@AlecTrevelyan006

Less than 1% of hospital bed are currently occupied by those with Covid

1% with Covid.

NHS bosses are now 15 fucking month later asking to differentiate those who are in hospital because of Covid and those who have tested positive for it.

66 deaths (with a positive Covid tedt) in last week in the whole of the country.

This postponement is embarrassing and is not in any way justified.

It was deaths and hospital admissions is the reasoning behind lockdowns and restrictions, what do they have to support this? A variant that every vaccine gives over 85% protection?

I rest my case.

@Dave20

I think Patrick Valance said the other day that if we didn’t have these vaccines then we would be facing even tighter restrictions. Surely if we didn’t have vaccines then the country couldn’t be in a permanent state of lockdown and we would go bankrupt, and people’s mental health would just go out of control? I cannot see how the world could continue if there was no vaccine, the global economy would collapse. The alternative would be just to live with it, I can’t see what else could be done.

Me either. We’d just have to face the really bad phase. It would be so bad. We should be more relieved about vaccines I reckon.

I also wondered how vaccines would work if everyone had to have them every year? How would they facilitate this? They’ve turned village halls and other venues as vaccine centres. How could they facilitate 55 odd million people having vaccines every year? I can’t see how logistically it would work.

Dave if vaccines did not have to be offered under strict social distancing, a roll out would be much quicker. You’d be able to pop into Boots and have it in your lunch hour, like the flu jab.