Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?

[MrsHastingslikethebattle]

Everyone whom I know is more scared of the Governments reaction to Covid, than Covid itself.

The vaccinations are the most protection we are ever going to get, and yes people will still die.

Why can't we just accept that people die of Covid like we accept thousands each year who have died through flu and other preventable diseases?Millions and millions of people have died through smoking and alcohol, costing millions to the NHS. Yet we haven't banned them?
Viruses mutate and Covid is no different. They're will be variants indefinitely. Are we to cower behind our sofas every time a new one is announced?
The media in full force say how serious the new strain is, then lo and behold, weeks later it shows the vaccines are still offering high protection.
Public Health have started there is no correlation between the Indian variant and hospital admissions.
There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital, yet hospitality is are still targeted with table service, masks and track and trace.

When did this become about cases? not deaths and hospital admissions like it was to begin with?

The media and government have done well to completely scare people into submission. This is no longer about protection, its control and power.

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Everyone in real life has had enough and can see through this bullshit for what it really is!

#Imdone

@JaniieJones

'What about households that are bigger than seven? They can’t go out to eat together'

Oh fgs I'm really struggling to see the issue here. Book 2 separate tables.

The defeatist, victim playing attitude on here is pitiful.

I've sympathy for 'music venues' but once again, in a pandemic restrictions are needed, some of you are acting like it's all unnecessary.

Disgusting attitude towards growing suicide risks and numbers.

No, they're not in for another fucking 'wave' and if they get it they won't do the lockdown again because people there won't stand for it. They really won't. They're not like here. And generalising about red and blue states goes to show how clueless so many are about the US.

'think of those on the 'front line, references to WWII (resilience and social responsibility), so selfish and irresponsible'

Well said hamster, for once.

'And I’ve pointed out to you, as have others, suicides are now a growing concern. It is not overly dramatic.'

That is concerning. Do you have a link with stats?

@trappedsincesundaymorn

osbertthesyrianhamster

Yes to that. people seem to forget that in both wars the bands were still playing and the dance halls were full. Concert parties were sent to camps to boost the morale of the servicemen stationed there, despite the very real threat of death.

And that the whole 'Blitz spirit' was made up propaganda mostly, with hugely draconian laws (it was illegal to speak ill of the war), extreme corruption and very, very serious increase in crime, food fraud, etc.

My dad was a boy during WWII and he said it totally sucked and it's mostly those who weren't there who spout off about what a fine example of human behaviour it was.

Jeez, this thread had spiralled fast, I've been at work.

Covid isn't just a respiratory disease, it affects other organs

So does other diseases. So does other preventable diseases. Do we restrict 68 million people when they are dying of other causes?
Again, it seems like we are allowed to get ill with other diseases but not Covid.

All of the CV children havent been vaccinated

1. so they are all going to drop down dead if we stop restrictions on the 21st June? After over a year?
2. if they are clinically vulnerable children then surely they would self isolate and those around them self isolate and take extra precautions. Your not going to see a CV vulnerable child in a pub or at a festival are you?

we have to wait til the majority are vaccinated

Again why? There is mountains of evidence which I dont have time at the moment to link it all, that the majority of deaths, over 98% and hospital admissions have been 60s and over.
So that leaves 1%/2% of people.

We restrict the lives of 68 million people to preserve not even 1% of the population?

Its complete and utter bonkers.

I fear that parts of the US are in for a nasty third wave over the next couple of months ... a combination of low vaccination rates, full opening of society and the Delta variant will be brutal

In a perverse kind of Way, Boris is probably praying it happens - because if it doesn't, that will shine a still stronger light on the measures he's choosing here

God, yes, I think of those on the 'front line' nightly when I say my Rosary for atheists before my altar to the NHS complete with cow statue and incense that smell like skunk weed to wind up the neighbours in case they're MNers. Afterwards I make sure I test myself in case my cat breathed Covid on me or the spiders darkened Covid on my wash (which I need to rewash as the selfish and irresponsible bastards around me use BBQs.

Also, it makes me shake my head in disbelief when people say it's about going to a pub.

It's about freedom. It's about democracy. Its about being lied to time and time again. It's about the media manipulating facts. It's about scare mongering.

I'm 33. I've lived my life. And yet our generation coming up are dropping out of uni, can't go out, whole sectors on their knees.

The cure is worse than the disease

@JaniieJones

'It’s hilarious you’re dictating that people should happily give up their livelihoods, accept measures that are seriously impacting the quality of their lives'

I'm not dictating anything, I'm suggesting some rather overly dramatic people stop going on and on as if we are still in lockdown. We aren't!

There's no point with some people. They don't get it. That uncontained Covid is the threat to their livelihoods - the reason why 18 months on, there's still a threat (in the UK). And they talk about dictating. Yet they want to dictate that Other People give up their lives or their long term health for them.

As for the 'we need'. Well people are responding to the OP. Who asks rather incoherently if 'We need to stop life to preserve life'.

Btw. Someone mentioned Europe. France (which is restricting entry from high risk countries like the UK) has joined other places in starting to vaccinate children.

Over in America, the state of Vermont is looking to drop all restrictions (I mean domestically. America's borders are shut to high risk countries like the UK). How can they do this? They are reaching 80% fully vaccinated. They also didn't tantrum about necessary measures when they were needed. They just got on with it. They had high compliance with restrictions including masks outdoors. Taking the right action, whilst tough at the time, pays off.

"I'm 33. I've lived my life."
Hang on! I'm a decade older and still living mine!
Do take your point though. I have a 14 year old and hope he enjoys his teens and early twenties as much as I did.

It's about freedom.

Yes smoking is about freedom (and net tax income).

@JaniieJones

'had to stop replying because I realised people who are happy to live in their own four walls'

Why do folk keep repeating this. Everywhere is open. Haven't you been outside recently or are you holed up in a bunker?

Shops, pubs, restaurants, cafes, all open.

Because people like you keep repeating this.

Yes they are open.

I want to go on a pub crawl with my friends. We cant decide on the spot what time, we have to book everywhere in advance.
Then we have to track and trace in every pub. So if someone in the pub gets Covid, we potentially have to isolate and take time off work.
Then we walk to our table, following the arrows on the floor (because someone walking the opposite direction to you must give you Covid).
You sit down. Download the app for table service. Faff on, wait for your drinks. 2 bar maids on cos no ones going out and theyve lost too much money for staff. You drink your drink. You cant get up to the bar, walk around, just talk to people on your table. If you need a wee, dont forget your mask.
Much fun that it is ey?

If you think there is nothing wrong with that, that is exactly what scares me.

People are seeing this as the norm. Low key controlling of our lives for a virus with over 98% full survival rate.

Its madness.

Two separate tables though

They want to eat together.

@JaniieJones

'What about households that are bigger than seven? They can’t go out to eat together'

Oh fgs I'm really struggling to see the issue here. Book 2 separate tables.

The defeatist, victim playing attitude on here is pitiful.

I've sympathy for 'music venues' but once again, in a pandemic restrictions are needed, some of you are acting like it's all unnecessary.

Do you really have sympathy for 'music venues'...? nah do you fuck.

The scenes we have now is very very different to the scenes we had last year. People just are not dying in the numbers they were. On a whole we are through the worst of it. The vaccine is ensuring all the venerable are protected and those that do get it dont need critical care beds.The goal posts have now moved and that's not fair on society. This was about protect the NHS, now its about people not wanting to catch it just incase they might develop diabetes years down the line... and yeah a poster did say that last night. They are on this thread.

@Tealightsandd

It's about freedom.

Yes smoking is about freedom (and net tax income).

Eh? What are you smoking to make such a non sequitur? I want some of that! 😂😂

It’s not about freedom. It’s about altruism - which is our best strategy to secure our freedom.

It's about democracy

Well you'll be pleased to know that the public support freedom for all (including the vulnerable). Common sense prevails. The majority are in favour of sensible containment measures.

'Scaremongering' suggests there is nothing to fear. Which is clearly wrong, when it's a pandemic that has killed over 150,000 people in the UK alone, and left many more suffering debilitating Long Covid (which can cause organ damage, diabetes, and hearing loss). It's really quite offensive to the many bereaved, those with Long Covid, and traumatised exhausted NHS staff to claim scientific data and fact (and basic common sense) is 'scaremongering'.

And it's that attitude which is partly responsible for why we're still in this mess (unlike some other countries, who rolled their sleeves up and got on with it).

' Two separate tables though grin They want to eat together'

Oh I meant at the same venue at the same time, y'know tables next to each other? It isn't the end of the world, some of you really need to stop being so dramatic.

'you really have sympathy for 'music venues'...? nah do you fuck.'

I've sympathy for relatives who have lost loved ones, for people who were critically ill for weeks, for kids who have lost chunks of education. Music venues not so much tbh. There is furlough you know, people aren't starving on the streets.

I have special green tea @osbertthesyrianhamster
(Actually it's just Twinnings green tea and ginger).

It's all the talk of freedom and 'living with it'. Oxfordshire council wants to ban smoking outside. And the government is looking at raising the age to 21 (yet leaves the alcohol age at 18). Nothing pro freedom about any of that. Yet barely a mumour in the press and no freedom marches for smokers.

@Tealightsandd

I have special green tea *@osbertthesyrianhamster* (Actually it's just Twinnings green tea and ginger).

It's all the talk of freedom and 'living with it'. Oxfordshire council wants to ban smoking outside. And the government is looking at raising the age to 21 (yet leaves the alcohol age at 18). Nothing pro freedom about any of that. Yet barely a mumour in the press and no freedom marches for smokers.

And? WTF has smoking cigarettes got to do with anything other than smoking cigarettes?

@JaniieJones

' Two separate tables though grin They want to eat together'

Oh I meant at the same venue at the same time, y'know tables next to each other? It isn't the end of the world, some of you really need to stop being so dramatic.

'you really have sympathy for 'music venues'...? nah do you fuck.'

I've sympathy for relatives who have lost loved ones, for people who were critically ill for weeks, for kids who have lost chunks of education. Music venues not so much tbh. There is furlough you know, people aren't starving on the streets.

People have lost their savings though, their opportunities to get on the property ladder, their businesses and their jobs.

I don’t know why I’m bothering, to be honest, but people’s livelihoods are at stake. www.jazzwise.com/news/article/easing-of-lockdown-delay-a-crippling-blow-to-grassroots-music-venues

Yes Scrambled Covid can cause diabetes.

abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19-virus-diabetes-studies-find/story?id=78168634

The COVID-19 virus can cause diabetes, new studies find

The media are at again.

The BBC graph vs the actual real life data linear graph.

Graphs showing the young vs old hospitalizations..what they show and what they dont show.

How can they get away with this? No wonder so many people are so scared

@JaniieJones

' Two separate tables though grin They want to eat together'

Oh I meant at the same venue at the same time, y'know tables next to each other? It isn't the end of the world, some of you really need to stop being so dramatic.

'you really have sympathy for 'music venues'...? nah do you fuck.'

I've sympathy for relatives who have lost loved ones, for people who were critically ill for weeks, for kids who have lost chunks of education. Music venues not so much tbh. There is furlough you know, people aren't starving on the streets.

Furlough - for a lot of people is 80% of minimum wage. Which has pushed some people already on the breadline into complete poverty. And not everyone is entitled to Furlough, many self employed people have had nothing.