Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?

[MrsHastingslikethebattle]

Everyone whom I know is more scared of the Governments reaction to Covid, than Covid itself.

The vaccinations are the most protection we are ever going to get, and yes people will still die.

Why can't we just accept that people die of Covid like we accept thousands each year who have died through flu and other preventable diseases?Millions and millions of people have died through smoking and alcohol, costing millions to the NHS. Yet we haven't banned them?
Viruses mutate and Covid is no different. They're will be variants indefinitely. Are we to cower behind our sofas every time a new one is announced?
The media in full force say how serious the new strain is, then lo and behold, weeks later it shows the vaccines are still offering high protection.
Public Health have started there is no correlation between the Indian variant and hospital admissions.
There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital, yet hospitality is are still targeted with table service, masks and track and trace.

When did this become about cases? not deaths and hospital admissions like it was to begin with?

The media and government have done well to completely scare people into submission. This is no longer about protection, its control and power.

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Everyone in real life has had enough and can see through this bullshit for what it really is!

#Imdone

Does anyone know what is the dominant strain is in the US? Sounds like lots of countries can get in.

@osbertthesyrianhamster

Bravo, All, I couldn't agree more; those types always try to collectivise their views 'we need', nah, speak for yourself.

I agree, bookworm.

Exactly we need to stop this do that.

No but you can live life that way. Not you, but they can

'I see my previous post was deleted. I will just point out that there are people on this thread suggesting that gatherings over 30 people could be banned forever. I do not feel it is hysterical to point out that this is madness and would have a devastating impact on many people’s lives'

Point out what you like @bookworm14, just do it without calling people names or you'll be deleted.

@JaniieJones

'I see my previous post was deleted. I will just point out that there are people on this thread suggesting that gatherings over 30 people could be banned forever. I do not feel it is hysterical to point out that this is madness and would have a devastating impact on many people’s lives'

Point out what you like @bookworm14, just do it without calling people names or you'll be deleted.

😂😂😂

@GlencoraP

The US situation is really odd. My db is married to an American and they live in a country on our red list. Even though cases are high where they are my SIL can fly into the US with just a negative test, no isolation or quarantine, because she is a US citizen. They are thinking of flying into there and then onto the uK because that would mean isolation here but not hotel quarantine. They are struggling to get vaccinated so might get vaccinated in the US .

It’s not that odd - they simply have a more balanced concept of freedom than we do

It’s hilarious you’re dictating that people should happily give up their livelihoods, accept measures that are seriously impacting the quality of their lives and mental health but god forbid you get called a mean name hahahah

Exactly, Alec.

'had to stop replying because I realised people who are happy to live in their own four walls'

Why do folk keep repeating this. Everywhere is open. Haven't you been outside recently or are you holed up in a bunker?

Shops, pubs, restaurants, cafes, all open.

'It’s hilarious you’re dictating that people should happily give up their livelihoods, accept measures that are seriously impacting the quality of their lives'

I'm not dictating anything, I'm suggesting some rather overly dramatic people stop going on and on as if we are still in lockdown. We aren't!

The Delta variant is in the USA and Europe and becoming the most dominant strain. Maybe they are doing things better than us (the general message on MN is that they are) but in the end the virus will continue to spread and we need to vaccinate. Vaccinations were never sold as 'putting an end covid' but they do reduce transmission and reduce your chances of ending up in ICU. I feel for nightclub owners, less so people missing a big night out.

Everywhere is open

Except they aren't. Music venues have been shut for 15 months now. Do you know how many people rely on them being open for their livelihoods?

@JaniieJones

'It’s hilarious you’re dictating that people should happily give up their livelihoods, accept measures that are seriously impacting the quality of their lives'

I'm not dictating anything, I'm suggesting some rather overly dramatic people stop going on and on as if we are still in lockdown. We aren't!

And I’ve pointed out to you, as have others, suicides are now a growing concern. It is not overly dramatic.

The mood of the Uk is starting to change, people have been very very compliant until now.. People are not stupid and can see that cases do not add up to deaths

If you want to live in fear go for it but I'm not.

@trappedsincesundaymorn

Everywhere is open

Except they aren't. Music venues have been shut for 15 months now. Do you know how many people rely on them being open for their livelihoods?

The hospitality business has been ruined. My friend has just had to sell his bar at a loss he is walking away in debt. But people genuinely dont give a flying fuck.

@JaniieJones

'had to stop replying because I realised people who are happy to live in their own four walls'

Why do folk keep repeating this. Everywhere is open. Haven't you been outside recently or are you holed up in a bunker?

Shops, pubs, restaurants, cafes, all open.

They’re only open the same way as they always have for a minority of people.

What about households that are bigger than seven? They can’t go out to eat together.

You’re so blinkered and don’t give a monkeys about anyone’s hardships because you are fine.

@Scrambledcustard
It’s just repulsive isn’t it?

The worst part of all this is that the buyer could possibly open in a few months and make a killing. It’s the complete injustice of it all.

@JaniieJones

'had to stop replying because I realised people who are happy to live in their own four walls'

Why do folk keep repeating this. Everywhere is open. Haven't you been outside recently or are you holed up in a bunker?

Shops, pubs, restaurants, cafes, all open.

Today’s announcement of a delay to the reopening at full capacity of Grassroots Music Venues is obviously a crippling blow to the sector. Over 4000 shows will be cancelled, losing tens of thousands of people, many of them unable to earn for over 15 months, the chance to get back to work. Huge amounts of work will need to go into rescheduling, cancellations, rebooking, refunds and managing customers, staff and artists. The delay will cost the sector £36 million, adding to the mounting pile of debt which this crisis has created.

@trappedsincesundaymorn

Everywhere is open

Except they aren't. Music venues have been shut for 15 months now. Do you know how many people rely on them being open for their livelihoods?

They don't care. Or think it's totally acceptable for a virus that well over 95% of survive with no problems and a significant percentage don't even know they have. The real pandemic is of victim-blaming others with a heavy dose of weak guilt-tripping and shaming. Lose your livelihood, too bad, you can just work for Tesco, your fault for not choosing something more stable, think of those on the 'front line, references to WWII (resilience and social responsibility), so selfish and irresponsible.

AlecTrevelyan006

Exactly. I'm amazed at how many people do not realise what it actually takes to get a band on the stage.

Today’s announcement of a delay to the reopening at full capacity of Grassroots Music Venues is obviously a crippling blow to the sector. Over 4000 shows will be cancelled, losing tens of thousands of people, many of them unable to earn for over 15 months, the chance to get back to work. Huge amounts of work will need to go into rescheduling, cancellations, rebooking, refunds and managing customers, staff and artists. The delay will cost the sector £36 million, adding to the mounting pile of debt which this crisis has created

Yes whilst Boris is at the G7 summit stood closely with his fellow mates watching a lovely airshow with two drinks in his hands couple of days before. You couldn't make it up! But hey since Andrew Lloyd Webber kicked off and tweeted Boris at least his show is allowed to go ahead as a'trial'...

@stopgap

I feel dreadfully sorry for people in the UK. I’m in the US and we are essentially back to normal—things have been open in my town since June 2020 and we haven’t taken any steps backwards.

I wish to god things were different in the UK. I haven’t seen my parents for 17 months. I was so hopeful they’d be able to travel to the US for August to see me and my family, but I’m feeling less and less optimistic as the days pass.

I fear that parts of the US are in for a nasty third wave over the next couple of months... at least for the "red" (Republican) states where vaccination levels are far below U.K. levels. A combination of low vaccination rates, full opening of society and the Delta variant will be brutal. It's a matter of when not if the Delta variant percolates through. These things simmer, then bang, you're in an exponential growth cycle and you wonder where it came from!

The "blue" (Democrat) states where vaccinations tend to be much higher will probably fare much better.

And I’ve pointed out to you, as have others, suicides are now a growing concern. It is not overly dramatic.

Yes failure to contain Covid has dreadful consequences in so many areas of society.

As can be seen from posts on other threads, those suicides will include people whose mental health is affected by fear of catching Covid. Perhaps some are CEV and CV distressed by the contempt shown towards them, the Othering, the willingness of people to condemn them to being one of the piled up bodies.

If people are so concerned, about suicides, they'll prioritise housing the homeless (in settled homes). Homelessness and insecure housing is a major cause of suicide.

Meanwhile yes let's get funding for mental health treatment. It's been badly underfunded for years.

Of course, there's a need to have capacity and staff. Which won't be possible with hospitals full of Covid cases.

Incidentally psychiatric inpatients suffered high numbers of Covid infections and deaths. It's encouraging to see the increased concern for those suffering poor mental health. They deserve protection from Covid. They're already suffering enough.

NHS intensive care nurses have been sectioned due to the trauma of Covid. So many HCP suffering PTSD and burn out.

So yes let's think of people suffering with mental health issues and suicidal thoughts. Containing Covid would help them so much.

They don't care. Or think it's totally acceptable for a virus that well over 95% of survive with no problems and a significant percentage don't even know they have. The real pandemic is of victim-blaming others with a heavy dose of weak guilt-tripping and shaming. Lose your livelihood, too bad, you can just work for Tesco, your fault for not choosing something more stable, think of those on the 'front line, references to WWII (resilience and social responsibility), so selfish and irresponsible

You missed out the 'but think about the children..."

'What about households that are bigger than seven? They can’t go out to eat together'

Oh fgs I'm really struggling to see the issue here. Book 2 separate tables.

The defeatist, victim playing attitude on here is pitiful.

I've sympathy for 'music venues' but once again, in a pandemic restrictions are needed, some of you are acting like it's all unnecessary.

osbertthesyrianhamster

Yes to that. people seem to forget that in both wars the bands were still playing and the dance halls were full. Concert parties were sent to camps to boost the morale of the servicemen stationed there, despite the very real threat of death.