Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?

[MrsHastingslikethebattle]

Everyone whom I know is more scared of the Governments reaction to Covid, than Covid itself.

The vaccinations are the most protection we are ever going to get, and yes people will still die.

Why can't we just accept that people die of Covid like we accept thousands each year who have died through flu and other preventable diseases?Millions and millions of people have died through smoking and alcohol, costing millions to the NHS. Yet we haven't banned them?
Viruses mutate and Covid is no different. They're will be variants indefinitely. Are we to cower behind our sofas every time a new one is announced?
The media in full force say how serious the new strain is, then lo and behold, weeks later it shows the vaccines are still offering high protection.
Public Health have started there is no correlation between the Indian variant and hospital admissions.
There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital, yet hospitality is are still targeted with table service, masks and track and trace.

When did this become about cases? not deaths and hospital admissions like it was to begin with?

The media and government have done well to completely scare people into submission. This is no longer about protection, its control and power.

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Everyone in real life has had enough and can see through this bullshit for what it really is!

#Imdone

[quote jasjas1973]@bookworm14

Mental isn't it?
I can go to my pub, get pissed, no SD, watch Footie, shout and scream as England win/lose and thats all ok.

But if i want to sing with a few SD singers, all vaccinated, in a nice big airy church, i cannot.

Parkruns are incredibly CV safe, outdoors, no booze unlike our local beach which resembled a jam packed medieval battlefield.[/quote]
Yes a lot of it doesn't make sense. Except it does it you're a government that is going for empty fake gestures over actual real containment measures. More money is made from large football crowds than a small local choir or park run

And still our borders remain largely wide open to new strains.

Put simply the UK government has admitted it. They are not going to contain the spread. They don't care about the risks including of potentially vaccine resistant mutations. They're letting the bodies pile up. (But keeping themselves safe).

As they've told us, we're facing 100s a day dying, many more long term disabled - with the consequent ongoing financial and health burden. The NHS is already facing a backlog of up to 5 years. It's going to get a lot worse.

We could've done the sensible thing and waited until we got the majority fully vaccinated. But there you go.

And if that idiot had have actually stopped flights in and out of India we could actually enjoy life properly now but no he waited and waited and waited....

bookworm14
I was thinking more of the future. Yes it must be frustrating now, but this is still early days of coping with changes and necessity is mother of invention and all that.

As time goes by we understand more about disease control and how to improve health in general and not just about covid. Better ways that not only protect our general health but our health services too.

None of the above mean that in the future we will have to give up leisure, sports and get togethers, or have to give up singing and dancing. It will just be different, and it maybe even better than before

But I do want younger people to enjoy their lives and not have it curtailed.

Yes. CEV and CV children deserve that.

@Kanitawa

Also I don’t know if you’ve realised but young people don’t drink so much nowadays. They’re into being healthy and stick thin, exercising, clean eating and looking good for Instagram. It’s all the people in their 30s and up who are clinging onto their boozing and smoking habits from their youth.

What a load of rubbish! Jesus how old are you and where do you live? Have you been near a city centre at night in the past decade My eldest is 25 - your wrong.

@Wannabangbang

And if that idiot had have actually stopped flights in and out of India we could actually enjoy life properly now but no he waited and waited and waited....

The Indian variant has found it's way into other countries who did have stronger border controls, so it's highly unlikely we'd have kept it out.

To be fair the US has it's borders closed to most countries.

Exactly. In a pandemic, you can have more domestic freedom with restricted borders.

I just don’t know what to think any more.

I have long covid and it’s pretty miserable.

One of my close friends is in isolation because another friend she had contact with last week is now in hospital with the Delta variant. Both double vaccinated.

Pretty depressing really

The Indian variant has found it's way into other countries who did have stronger border controls, so it's highly unlikely we'd have kept it out.

There's a big difference between a few cases leaking in - and swift action to contain. Versus the UK way of letting loads of cases in - and letting it spread.

@Wannabangbang

And if that idiot had have actually stopped flights in and out of India we could actually enjoy life properly now but no he waited and waited and waited....

It's unforgivable.

I'm sorry @Izzy24

Have you been referred to a Long Covid clinic?

It's difficult because not everywhere has one yet, I don't think, and also we're all still learning about it - doctors included. Hopefully as time goes on, with more research, there will be more treatments.

I wish your friend in hospital well. I hope they make a good recovery.

That's scary, double dosed and hospitalisation, i hope your friend is on the mend and hope you are getting help for long covid
What aren't we being told, we were promised vaccines all singing and dancing but clearly it's all bull

As an aside - I’m currently watching Hungary v Portugal playing in front of a capacity crowd in Budapest. It is a joy to behold.

@AlecTrevelyan006

As an aside - I’m currently watching Hungary v Portugal playing in front of a capacity crowd in Budapest. It is a joy to behold.

I felt the same hearing the Euros (didn’t watch so not sure about seating) but the crowd sound was glorious.

@Tealightsandd

To be fair the US has it's borders closed to most countries.

Exactly. In a pandemic, you can have more domestic freedom with restricted borders.

Actually it kind of hasn't it just looked like it did because it closed its land borders to Canada and Mexico and shut down UK and Europe, China and then added Brazil

It has always been possible for example to go to the Caribbean quarantine and then enter the US.

We added India on 23rd April - US did not stop travel until 4th May

Somewhere like Afghanistan/Pakistan you can still enter with a negative test.

Its why the US/UK border still being shut it an oddity from the US perspective

@Tealightsandd

But I do want younger people to enjoy their lives and not have it curtailed.

Yes. CEV and CV children deserve that.

Those children always had to be protected - not just from Covid. Flu is a massive killer in CEV children. Do you expect the entire nation to live under restrictions when we are in flu season just incase a child with CEV catches flu?

Life is absolutely fucking shit for lots of people through no fault of their own. If you have a child that is CEV, that's shit but it shouldn't make you want to claw back every fucker else who can go out.

A poster up thread said 'If businesses go under tough' - Its this mentally that's making people think 'fuck you'.

You said you wanted restrictions till 90% of the world was vaccinated. I think you've actually lost the plot.

No one I know will be vaccinating their kids. My kids go to private school, It gets discussed at pick up most days. So your going to be waiting a while for the uk to choose to vaccinate their kids with a vaccine that that's still largely untested. And there is reports that the CDC are reviewing heart issues after having the vaccine in adolescents - you've got no chance!

I have a very supportive GP so I’m lucky in that. I’m waiting on some investigation results at the moment. I’ve been able to go back to work on reduced hours which has been a lifesaver mood wise.

I could get a long COVID clinic referral but my understanding is that it’s mainly information gathering at the moment…

Thank you for your kind words and wishes ☺️

This is not about deaths. If old people dropped dead from covid in the street, we would not have had lockdowns. It is useful to the population if old people die - housing stock is freed up and pensions do not have to be paid for by younger taxpayers.

Old people with covid take up hospital beds and require intensive care. This means space and equipment and staff. They then populate wards in hospitals that were previously used for non emergency patients who are then not admitted for new hips etc.

Nightingales were not used because we locked down before we got to that point. Where do the public honestly think that specialist trained medical staff were going to be magicked up from to nurse a nightingale hospital anyway???

I have a horrible but realistic feeling that when we are faced with a vaccine resistant variant, our country will be making some very difficult decisions about exactly who is admitted in to a hospital and who is not. What will the alternative be?

A poster up thread said 'If businesses go under tough' - Its this mentally that's making people think 'fuck you'.

Exactly this. If you want people to continue to comply with ‘the rules’, telling them you don’t care if they lose their livelihoods isn’t the way to go about it.

@Kanitawa so if business go under just fuck those who die due to poverty then. FFS get a grip!

Well said @bookworm14

I had to stop replying because I realised people who are happy to live in their own four walls, getting paid the same as they did last year, with no employees to be responsible for or social life to retain will never understand the stress on business owners or the mental health impacts on people who live for social interaction.

@JaniieJones repeatedly claims we need “perspective” while only spouting off their own narrow view of the world from their comfy armchair.

It’s all pretty sickening really.

The US situation is really odd. My db is married to an American and they live in a country on our red list. Even though cases are high where they are my SIL can fly into the US with just a negative test, no isolation or quarantine, because she is a US citizen. They are thinking of flying into there and then onto the uK because that would mean isolation here but not hotel quarantine. They are struggling to get vaccinated so might get vaccinated in the US .

Bravo, All, I couldn't agree more; those types always try to collectivise their views 'we need', nah, speak for yourself.

I agree, bookworm.

@GlencoraP

The US situation is really odd. My db is married to an American and they live in a country on our red list. Even though cases are high where they are my SIL can fly into the US with just a negative test, no isolation or quarantine, because she is a US citizen. They are thinking of flying into there and then onto the uK because that would mean isolation here but not hotel quarantine. They are struggling to get vaccinated so might get vaccinated in the US .

It's very easy to get vaccinated in the US.

'Look we can sit around complaining or we can find solutions and new healthier ways of living and interacting. I get that people miss nightclubs and other events, but we are in a public health crisis and covid is not going away anytime soon, if ever, so we might as well crack on with some solutions and innovation. Sadly covid is making progress on us, but we can make progress to against it #imnotdoneyet'

Exactly @Flaxmeadow.