Can we really just stop life to preserve every life?

[MrsHastingslikethebattle]

Everyone whom I know is more scared of the Governments reaction to Covid, than Covid itself.

The vaccinations are the most protection we are ever going to get, and yes people will still die.

Why can't we just accept that people die of Covid like we accept thousands each year who have died through flu and other preventable diseases?Millions and millions of people have died through smoking and alcohol, costing millions to the NHS. Yet we haven't banned them?
Viruses mutate and Covid is no different. They're will be variants indefinitely. Are we to cower behind our sofas every time a new one is announced?
The media in full force say how serious the new strain is, then lo and behold, weeks later it shows the vaccines are still offering high protection.
Public Health have started there is no correlation between the Indian variant and hospital admissions.
There is also a report that over 80% of Covid infections were caught in hospital, yet hospitality is are still targeted with table service, masks and track and trace.

When did this become about cases? not deaths and hospital admissions like it was to begin with?

The media and government have done well to completely scare people into submission. This is no longer about protection, its control and power.

Mumsnet is the only place is seems where people want these restrictions to carry on.

Everyone in real life has had enough and can see through this bullshit for what it really is!

#Imdone

@jasjas1973

I hope you're not suggesting the anti semitism (racism) rife in Labour is acceptable in any way. It isn't, and (like Covid and Long Covid) shouldn't be ignored, downplayed, dismissed, or denied. Whataboutery, instead of acknowledging and dealing with the antisemitism (and all their other problems) is one of the reasons why Labour became a party people didn't want to vote for. Tbf to Starmer, he's doing what he can about the antisemitism (if not the other problems with the party) but unfortunately he's got a long way to go to rid the wider party of it.

Any opposition (whichever party) needs to offer an appealing alternative. It's no good just attacking the other side. People need positive, not negative campaigns.

It's difficult for Starmer. Like Boris lacks support from the extreme right of his party (the likes of Mark Harper and Steve Baker), Starmer is under pressure from the militant momentum types, who still can't accept that many people voted against Corbyn rather than for Boris.

I vehemently disagreed with you Flax on another thread about a different topic, but you're completely right here - about life in the past for the majority.

@MercyBooth

Well ppl seemed very happy with thousands of people dying due to their disability benefits being cut. They also wernt bothered about the fact that flu or a simple cold could actually kill people like my DH (COPD) BUT neither DH nor i would expect the world to stop for it. Or for ppl to wear face masks. All we would ever ask is that ppl dont visit us if they have a cold. Im fucking sick of being treated like a bio hazard when no one gave a fuck worth a damn before.

DH and i both object to people like himself being used to emotionally blackmail others when no one gave a shit before.

And that default setting will be back after this is over IF it ever is.

Sums it all up for me.

What is with the obsession with nightclubs??? The current regs mean that school and university are still severely disrupted, milestone events and life opportunities are being denied to young people. The arts remain decimated. Boiling it all down to nightclubs is deliberately being obtuse.

Tealightsandd
I vehemently disagreed with you Flax on another thread about a different topic, but you're completely right here - about life in the past for the majority.

Same with many of your posts too. All the best

Also I don’t know if you’ve realised but young people don’t drink so much nowadays. They’re into being healthy and stick thin, exercising, clean eating and looking good for Instagram. It’s all the people in their 30s and up who are clinging onto their boozing and smoking habits from their youth.

@ILookAtTheFloor

I still don't understand how we we can improve track and tracing people. Surely that's what is happening now? You can't force people to name contacts.

Technology.

And yes many won't like that. If that's the case, then we shouldn't have spent billions. We should get our money back. It's not as if it's not desperately needed elsewhere. It could be used to fund bereavement counselling, mental health support for CV and CEV children, and care and welfare benefits for those disabled by Long Covid.

@Kanitawa

Also I don’t know if you’ve realised but young people don’t drink so much nowadays. They’re into being healthy and stick thin, exercising, clean eating and looking good for Instagram. It’s all the people in their 30s and up who are clinging onto their boozing and smoking habits from their youth.

Yes statistics (before Covid) were definitely indicating that trend.

'They also wernt bothered about the fact that flu or a simple cold could actually kill people like my DH (COPD) BUT neither DH nor i would expect the world to stop for it. Or for ppl to wear face masks.'

Oh it isn't the same. Common bugs can kill many people, immuno suppressed etc. The massive scale of this has been the issue, I'm really surprised people still can't grasp it.

@Flaxmeadow

Tealightsandd I vehemently disagreed with you Flax on another thread about a different topic, but you're completely right here - about life in the past for the majority.

Same with many of your posts too. All the best

You too.

Doubly vaccinated, twice weekly negative tests at work, paying £150 for PCR tests yet looking like I still can't go to see an elderly relative abroad.
It's just going too far now. And there will STILL be people screaming on here that we're "selfish" for wanting a holiday "in the middle of a pandemic". Do one.

@Onewayoranother88 good for you that you are double vaccinated - many aren’t. I’ve just had my first and am not going to risk long covid

Agree with the OP - but only once everyone has been double vaccinated

really don’t understand why we would open up everything right now whilst many haven’t been vaccinated still - makes no sense

Jane Austens world was hardly typical of life for the vast majority of people at the time. Most people either lived in tiny rural cottages, barns or rooms or in overcrowded industrial slum housing and diseases of overcrowding were rife. All kinds of lice and bugs, including human fleas, rats, dysentery, typhus, smallpox, measles. My grandmother's sister died of TB in her early 20s

And? My grandad was a miner who lost a finger down t'pit and died of emphysema and my dad slept in a single bed with 3 of his brothers til he left home.

Not sure what any of that has to do with anything but did I do it right? I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make. I was replying to a poster who seemed to suggest that nobody gathered in large numbers before nightclubs were invented in, what, the 1970's? I was pointing out they were wrong.

People can have a small dance in a pub

No you can't. When's the last time you were in a pub?

I'm finding it frustrating how it was so much easier to travel last summer, this was with zero vaccinations.

'It's just going too far now. And there will STILL be people screaming on here that we're "selfish" for wanting a holiday "in the middle of a pandemic". Do one.'

'Do one'

No one is selfish for wanting a holiday, who doesn't want a holiday. It is just staggering the amount of folk on mn who just don't get it, the 'enough is enough!' wailers. We are practically out of restrictions! Just hold your horses until more are double vaxxed and there is definitive proof hospitalisations are staying low.

Them - young people don’t want to party. They don’t care about clubs and festivals.

Also them - why the hell are all these young people at university partying? They’re so selfish!

I hate MN right now. All the smug bloody ‘account executives’ and ‘marketing managers’, who’ve been able to work from home throughout while people on zero-hours contracts bring them their shopping, smugly declaring that the death of the live entertainment and hospitality industries is a price worth paying. You don’t have a fucking clue about anything. Luckily the human need for communal joy and celebration is so strong that your predictions will inevitably fail. Make nightclubs and gigs permanently illegal and they will simply move underground.

And if you think I’m giving up choral singing forever, in the name of ‘safety’, because my choir has more than 30 members, you can go fuck yourselves.

People can have a small dance in a pub

This made me laugh. Those chomping at the bit to curtail or stop things sound like you’ve been waiting for this.

It won’t happen but we’re all different and some like others not doing stuff

@Kanitawa unhelpful generalisation much? Also healthy and stick thin are actually not the same thing....

@bookworm14

I hate MN right now. All the smug bloody ‘account executives’ and ‘marketing managers’, who’ve been able to work from home throughout while people on zero-hours contracts bring them their shopping, smugly declaring that the death of the live entertainment and hospitality industries is a price worth paying. You don’t have a fucking clue about anything. Luckily the human need for communal joy and celebration is so strong that your predictions will inevitably fail. Make nightclubs and gigs permanently illegal and they will simply move underground.

And if you think I’m giving up choral singing forever, in the name of ‘safety’, because my choir has more than 30 members, you can go fuck yourselves.

This.

@bookworm14

I hate MN right now. All the smug bloody ‘account executives’ and ‘marketing managers’, who’ve been able to work from home throughout while people on zero-hours contracts bring them their shopping, smugly declaring that the death of the live entertainment and hospitality industries is a price worth paying. You don’t have a fucking clue about anything. Luckily the human need for communal joy and celebration is so strong that your predictions will inevitably fail. Make nightclubs and gigs permanently illegal and they will simply move underground.

And if you think I’m giving up choral singing forever, in the name of ‘safety’, because my choir has more than 30 members, you can go fuck yourselves.

Well said 👏

[quote Confusedaboutlots]@Onewayoranother88 good for you that you are double vaccinated - many aren’t. I’ve just had my first and am not going to risk long covid

Agree with the OP - but only once everyone has been double vaccinated

really don’t understand why we would open up everything right now whilst many haven’t been vaccinated still - makes no sense[/quote]
I've only had one vax and I'm happy to take the risk, most people I know are. People who have had one or no vaccines are low risk and the restrictions were never put in place to protect low risk people in the first place.

I was replying to a poster who seemed to suggest that nobody gathered in large numbers before nightclubs were invented in, what, the 1970's? I was pointing out they were wrong

People did gather in large numbers but my point was your example is Jane Austen, who came from a privileged tiny middle class and so is not a good example of how people lived. She lived in a house in its own grounds, with plenty of ventilation, she had servants to clean and cook for her. Her associates would be living in similar conditions and gathering under similar conditions. Away from those rarified polite society conditions, overcrowding was a major cause of death and to some extent it still is. Population density is a factor in disease spread and especially an airborne disease

I agree too but creative industries generally wanting to get back to work ime