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Not sure how Boris can stand up tonight and ask us to wait 'just another few weeks' after his antics this weekend.

Nor after seeing the scenes at countless pubs where people were celebrating the footy results

I'm 100% done now

@Lostinacloud 'when have their predictions ever been right?'

Well, in September last year when the 'alpha' variant was identified no one believed the prediction of 50k a day.

The daily mail ran many 'debunk' and 'do EY panic' articles like this one

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8758879/Projection-versus-reality-Experts-say-Britain-fall-short-Prof-Vallances-warning.html

The pressure not to repeat lock down meant the government held back.

Lo and behold we had 60k cases a day in Jan / Feb.

So tell me again why we shouldn't follow the expert advice?? What do you know that they don't??

Just because you don't like something doesn't make it not true. Sorry.

[quote Cornettoninja]**@Wherediditgo* I really didn’t read @JediGnot*’s post as picking on you

I appreciate that you’re feeling low but please don’t give anonymous opinion on the internet so much power over your well-being.[/quote]
She literally quoted my post?

I know exactly what they know - that there is no need for any further restrictions, that covid is no longer a threat to the massive majority and that we should all be getting our lives back to 100% of what they were before.
No “covid safe” sports days or year 6 residential trips, no one way systems, no masks and no signing into entertainment venues! Just normal life with no more government intervention or rules.

Just because you can’t see it doesn’t make it not true!

[quote Cornettoninja]@Lostinacloud

The ‘terrifying’ (not the word I’d use, concerning/worrying maybe) numbers are the percentage rises we’re seeing. These numbers are driven by specific areas at the moment but to translate them nationally and project future rises at the same rate would become terrifying from a healthcare resource perspective.

If the situation was ‘terrifying’ we’d be looking at tightening up restrictions or a lockdown. As it is it’s simply ‘concerning’ hence no move to loosen or tighten anything until we can achieve further vaccinations.[/quote]
Well explained
not difficult to understand Is it!
Unless you don't want to

They have constantly changed the narrative and the goalposts, how anybody can’t at least concede to that I don’t know.
First it was daily deaths, then daily deaths and hospitalisations, then it was just cases (whether that meant ill people or not, false positive or true), then there were linear graphs with 0 x and y axis, now there are percentages in place of actual figures, steep looking lines on charts from afar as with isolated clusters and no mention of actual hospitalisation figures, just percentage jumps which I spoke about earlier, represented a change from 1 per 100,000 people to 2 per 100,000 people.

@ThinkAboutItTomorrow the difference is that now from the 'expert advice' government picks and chooses the bits that get the green light (g7 party, full Wimbledon, Wembley etc) and the bits that don't (anything for young people or the plebs). We are so far from all in it together these days.

She literally quoted my post?

@Wherediditgo yes I know, but that’s not an indication that someone is picking on anyone or being aggressive is it? It just means something you’ve written has struck someone and they have a comment either directly to you or to explain the context of their comment. It’s just conversation.

I wish the media (and the government) would stop using percentages to show increases. It’s very misleading.
Cases up 100% scary. Cases up from 1 - 2 not scary.

Why are we so obsessed with cases?

Also, we were told if you let cases rise too much this causes mutant variants. Well lockdown didn’t prevent the Delta variant taking hold. Wouldn’t we have been better off with the Alpha variant as the dominant strain?

Controversial but did locking down for so long and getting cases very low (when your goal can never be zero Covid) cause the delta variant to spiral when we opened up? Would we have been better with a bit of low level circulation of the Alpha variant amongst younger/ unvaccinated to build some immunity whilst we sped through the vaccinations.

Playing devils advocate slightly here. But (apart from our shit quarantine and government inaction) why are we faring worse that other countries like the US (many states have been open since last summer). Why isn’t the delta variant taking hold in Europe? Or are they just behind us? Thought they were way behind with vaccinations.

It’s almost as though continual harsh lockdowns then sudden opening up causes cases to spiral even more than they would have done... (though I accept we needed to protect the NHS).

I wish the media (and the government) would stop using percentages to show increases. It’s very misleading

But it is the percentage increases which realistically demonstrate the potential for everything to go pear shaped very fast if we are not cautious. The whole bloody pandemic in the UK began with just one person being ill.

Tbh @Lostinacloud I feel like you’ve mixed up lots of information and decided that it doesn’t make sense.

There are a lot of figures and information flying about that out of context don’t make sense but there are lots of facets to this disaster that don’t necessarily slot neatly beside one another. The core concern has remained the same throughout; infectious disease = healthcare system unable to cope = no resource for any health need.

I would say that we’re seeing different behaviour from the government at the moment because we haven’t experienced them trying to avert the crisis point before, each lockdown and implementation of strict restrictions has happened because crisis point has been hit and forced them into a corner. It’s arguable whether they’re doing enough (I suspect not but vaccinations may be enough to make up for this) but they’d be hard pushed to claim ignorance over what the warning signs are that lead us into lockdowns and tight restrictions after three lockdowns.

@Hornbill123456789

I’m not done, I can’t allow myself to be done. If I’m done then the virus has won. No way is it beating me.

Language like 'battle' and 'won' is incredibly unhelpful when it comes to all illness, not just covid.

I appreciate it may be helpful to you, but it isn't to others.

Why isn’t the delta variant taking hold in Europe?

Exactly. Why are we the perpetual plague-Isle, the literal sick man of Europe (and the Western world)?

I would say the following:

We're more anxious because of mistakes made in the 1st wave, eg around care home mismanagement. It put the jitters up everyone.

Transparency, erring to exaggeration- the way we measure deaths always makes it look worse compared to other nations, whose death stats we can't verify. The 'any death after a positive test' thing which was uncovered and corrected last year, is an example.

Transparency around sequencing, we do so much of this compared to most other nations and are then punished for it, shooting the messenger.

Data has always erred towards scaring people eg. Why do we alone not publish those recovered from covid?

We test ridiculous amounts. Seek and ye shall find. Like the trend now to ask all kids in a burst bubble via a PCR test. Never had to do that before, it may be that the Delta varient appears worse as we didn't do this for previous varients. In the US they don't test anyone fully vaxxed unless hospitalised!

Just my thoughts.

@youshouldbeplotting

I wish the media (and the government) would stop using percentages to show increases. It’s very misleading

But it is the percentage increases which realistically demonstrate the potential for everything to go pear shaped very fast if we are not cautious. The whole bloody pandemic in the UK began with just one person being ill.

Percentages are needed to demostrate exponential growth is occurring. Numbers should always be seen in context / as part of a pattern.

Its not the fault of the government scientists if the public don't understand this. Thats the responsibility of the government to address and adequately explain in laymans terms.

Scientists should science. Government should communicate.

Well we will have to wait and see @Cornettoninja but I suspect I will be back on one of these boards arguing with you in 2 or 4 weeks time about why the lifting of restrictions still can’t go ahead. Meanwhile everyone’s life is put on hold yet again with no opportunity to plan for holidays outside of the U.K, for events to take place, nightclubs to open or restaurants to properly fill their spaces. And the U.K. once again stays stuck in the doom cycle watching packed stadiums celebrate sporting events in the USA and Americans walk around freely despite recording between 5000 and 26,000 cases per day.

Government should communicate

Yep, that has been one of the biggest failings.

@TheVampiresWife

Apologies.

I find it helpful for myself to think that way - in an attempt to get myself into a positive mindset.

I was expressing my thoughts.

Likewise criticising people on their mindset is unhelpful.

@ILookAtTheFloor

Why isn’t the delta variant taking hold in Europe?

Exactly. Why are we the perpetual plague-Isle, the literal sick man of Europe (and the Western world)?

I would say the following:

We're more anxious because of mistakes made in the 1st wave, eg around care home mismanagement. It put the jitters up everyone.

Transparency, erring to exaggeration- the way we measure deaths always makes it look worse compared to other nations, whose death stats we can't verify. The 'any death after a positive test' thing which was uncovered and corrected last year, is an example.

Transparency around sequencing, we do so much of this compared to most other nations and are then punished for it, shooting the messenger.

Data has always erred towards scaring people eg. Why do we alone not publish those recovered from covid?

We test ridiculous amounts. Seek and ye shall find. Like the trend now to ask all kids in a burst bubble via a PCR test. Never had to do that before, it may be that the Delta varient appears worse as we didn't do this for previous varients. In the US they don't test anyone fully vaxxed unless hospitalised!

Just my thoughts.

WHO warned yesterday that it is on its way to take over Europe, they’re just behind us that’s all.

I thought I was strong mentally.

I was watching a programme last night for entertainment which had nothing to do with what’s going on... but then Covid was unexpectedly brought into it. I found myself weeping. Thankfully I was on my own because I was quite embarrassed. I’m obviously not as strong as I thought I was. I then wondered what I would say to my future grandchildren about what happened... I don’t think I will want to talk about it.

I think I’m more traumatised than I realised.

This is shit. I fully understand why people are saying they’ve had enough. I’ve had enough.

@Wherediditgo

JediGnot On a thread full of people saying how they’re ‘done’ and you decide to pick specifically on me? I’m still feeling like shit today, by the way.

My massive apologies if you find my lack of emotional resilience distressing. I do hope that my posting on this forum, detailing my personal feelings on the matter hasn’t inconvenienced you at all.

Apologies if it seemed like I was picking on you. Not my intention. Note I praised you for being a good person for getting the vaccine when you clearly have a tendency to think it would suit you personally not to have it.

I feel like I keep getting myself together and then something small happens which knocks me right back down. Does that make sense?

@Wheresmybiscuit3

I thought I was strong mentally.

I was watching a programme last night for entertainment which had nothing to do with what’s going on... but then Covid was unexpectedly brought into it. I found myself weeping. Thankfully I was on my own because I was quite embarrassed. I’m obviously not as strong as I thought I was. I then wondered what I would say to my future grandchildren about what happened... I don’t think I will want to talk about it.

I think I’m more traumatised than I realised.

This is shit. I fully understand why people are saying they’ve had enough. I’ve had enough.

Wheresmybiscuit I don't think that means you are not strong, it means you are human. I recently spent a good five minutes ugly crying in a supermarket car park because of a very minor household blip. It was just the last straw on top of everything else.

@Wheresmybiscuit3 I’m sorry to hear that.

My mum is having her delayed bowel cancer operation as I type. It was cancelled last week, and I was nearly floored. But all I could do was take charge, I got onto the hospital, told them how anxious she is - an email was sent as she has got it today. Now.

I know I was just lambasted for using that terminology - but I feel I’ve had to fight. I’ve had to get myself in the most positive mindset I can.

Watching old comedies helps me, music, walking...

Crying in the car helps me - when I’m alone and the children can’t see! But good God I feel better after a good cry!

I agree with all your points @ILookAtTheFloor

The sequencing we do is supposed to help us yet it’s kind of thrown back in our faces when other countries go on to ban us from travel. I guess we are not using the info from sequencing correctly (or the Delta variant wouldn’t have taken hold). What’s the point in being the best at sequencing. Where is it getting us?

for you and your mum @Hornbill123456789

I get it. I’ve been referred to endocrinology because I might have an adrenal gland tumour. I found out today It’s a four month waiting list just to get an appointment, and even after that I assume I will have to wait. Fingers crossed it’s not. Can’t afford private investigations.

I hope your mums op goes well.