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Workyticket · 14/06/2021 09:37

Not sure how Boris can stand up tonight and ask us to wait 'just another few weeks' after his antics this weekend.

Nor after seeing the scenes at countless pubs where people were celebrating the footy results

I'm 100% done now

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LivinLaVidaLoki · 15/06/2021 07:17

@Lostinacloud

All the people that are still buying into this need to realty get to grips with the data and more importantly the way in which the data is now being presented.

For example: Headline Whitty chart says “64% increase in hospitalisations!!!” When in real figures this was actually a slight increase from 3 in one hundred thousand to 5 in one hundred thousand people being admitted to hospital.

Why the need to shift to using scary sounding percentages that really don’t correspond to the actual situation unless you are trying to justify action you are taking for something that isn’t there?

There are still less people in hospital with covid in the U.K. than there are hospitals in the country and no single hospital is anywhere near to being overwhelmed or likely to be. When have their projection figures ever turned out to be even close to reality?

Even if you ignore all of the doom figures presented last night, over the past few weeks we have been told that 80% of the population are estimated to have antibodies, that the delta variant does not evade the vaccines and that almost everybody has a 99% survival rate. Yet, still people allow themselves to be taken in by the fear. I can’t understand it.

Additionally, this variant was discovered at the beginning of February. According to the government, it is more contagious than the Kent variant. Well the Kent variant was discovered in late September and 2-3 months later we were in lockdown again due to “worrying” growing case numbers. This was also without vaccines existing.
The delta variant has had 4 1/2 months running wild, where are the terrifying numbers, hospitalisations and deaths by now?

👏👏👏👏
TheVampiresWife · 15/06/2021 07:29

@Lostinacloud

All the people that are still buying into this need to realty get to grips with the data and more importantly the way in which the data is now being presented.

For example: Headline Whitty chart says “64% increase in hospitalisations!!!” When in real figures this was actually a slight increase from 3 in one hundred thousand to 5 in one hundred thousand people being admitted to hospital.

Why the need to shift to using scary sounding percentages that really don’t correspond to the actual situation unless you are trying to justify action you are taking for something that isn’t there?

There are still less people in hospital with covid in the U.K. than there are hospitals in the country and no single hospital is anywhere near to being overwhelmed or likely to be. When have their projection figures ever turned out to be even close to reality?

Even if you ignore all of the doom figures presented last night, over the past few weeks we have been told that 80% of the population are estimated to have antibodies, that the delta variant does not evade the vaccines and that almost everybody has a 99% survival rate. Yet, still people allow themselves to be taken in by the fear. I can’t understand it.

Additionally, this variant was discovered at the beginning of February. According to the government, it is more contagious than the Kent variant. Well the Kent variant was discovered in late September and 2-3 months later we were in lockdown again due to “worrying” growing case numbers. This was also without vaccines existing.
The delta variant has had 4 1/2 months running wild, where are the terrifying numbers, hospitalisations and deaths by now?

All of this. I'd wondered why Delta hadn't had a similar effect to Alpha, too, given how transmissible it is and vaccination levels being so low when it took hold.
BonnieDundee · 15/06/2021 07:31

Well said lostinacloud. I also noticed a graph last night about weekly hospital admissions per 100,000 and it had "doubled"

yes, it had. From 1 to 2 for the whole of England. Im not great at reading graphs so i may have interpreted this wrong but there is once again a feeling of having been played awaits posters to come along and say don't you understand what exponential growth means

It’s propaganda, nothing more, nothing less

Bordois · 15/06/2021 07:31

@Lostinacloud

All the people that are still buying into this need to realty get to grips with the data and more importantly the way in which the data is now being presented.

For example: Headline Whitty chart says “64% increase in hospitalisations!!!” When in real figures this was actually a slight increase from 3 in one hundred thousand to 5 in one hundred thousand people being admitted to hospital.

Why the need to shift to using scary sounding percentages that really don’t correspond to the actual situation unless you are trying to justify action you are taking for something that isn’t there?

There are still less people in hospital with covid in the U.K. than there are hospitals in the country and no single hospital is anywhere near to being overwhelmed or likely to be. When have their projection figures ever turned out to be even close to reality?

Even if you ignore all of the doom figures presented last night, over the past few weeks we have been told that 80% of the population are estimated to have antibodies, that the delta variant does not evade the vaccines and that almost everybody has a 99% survival rate. Yet, still people allow themselves to be taken in by the fear. I can’t understand it.

Additionally, this variant was discovered at the beginning of February. According to the government, it is more contagious than the Kent variant. Well the Kent variant was discovered in late September and 2-3 months later we were in lockdown again due to “worrying” growing case numbers. This was also without vaccines existing.
The delta variant has had 4 1/2 months running wild, where are the terrifying numbers, hospitalisations and deaths by now?

Just wait 2 more weeks... 🤔
BonnieDundee · 15/06/2021 07:33

@Lostinacloud I think we are referring to the same graph. Your example is the NW, mine is the whole of England

MRex · 15/06/2021 07:46

@Lostinacloud wonders why spread was slower without vaccines existing... Well, spread was slower because vaccines reduce transmission and reduce infection severity. Marvellous things, vaccines, it's actually the while point of them! That's why there's a plan to jab a load more willing arms in the next few weeks so that cases drop again and restrictions can be eased without large numbers of people getting unwell enough to need hospital care.

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2021 08:10

The local rugby, tennis, football and cricket clubs have been brilliant here. All making special effort to run kids clubs. The high school is running after school sports too. The only sports thing thats proving particularly difficult around here to my knowledge is swimming.

Scouts, cubs and beavers have been running since the day they were allowed to (End of March). Again they are pulling out all the stops. In terms of expense they are cheap but spaces limited. If you weren't on the waiting list before you won't get in. Dance classes running. Brownies running.

DS's primary is running sports day. The parents were upset because the plan wouldn't allow parents even though it was after the 21st June as the DFE hadn't green lit it yet. In the event it doesn't matter now. They are also going ahead with school trips for every year group and unusually at the cost of just £2 per child.

Literally everything that people can do here, people are trying to pull the stops out for kids and provide reduced cost / free places for those struggling. The main barrier is the will to get these up and running in the face of regulations not the regulations themselves. So places are not as determined to do this as others - why I don't know. So its possible to do these things under the regulations and indeed its being encouraged by government and youth groups. The stage in lockdown we are at has this factored in.

As it goes yougov did a survey about how people felt about the 4 week delay. 71% support it and 24% oppose it. Thats much better than I feared.

In terms of the growth of the virus, the point is its expenatial. That means that even though its small numbers now it has the potential to explode very quickly.

There was a key point Chris Whitty made - on the 19th July - even with this delay - the number of cases will be higher than now. They aren't trying to stop this dead like before. The delay is to get jabs in arms and maintain the current rate of growth rather than allow it to accelerate.

This is something thats crucial to understand.

The government are now saying 'we have accepted a certain number of deaths as inevitable and on balance more restrictions would do more harm'.

Part of this reasoning is we have to realise that vaccination only give so much protection and this wave will pass through regardless. If we delay it too much we run into the winter which would cause additional problems (eg immunity may be on decline at the same point the most vulnerable need 3rd doses). We actually need the wave to be over by the autumn so the window of opportunity to manage the situation is limited.

Whether this will work is another matter but only time will tell.

Lostinacloud · 15/06/2021 08:49

@BonnieDundee yes we are referring to the same graph. Not a very good picture but this one;

NW hospitalisations in NW rise 61% which actually means from 3 to 5 per one hundred thousand. England total is even more ridiculous at 1 to barely 2 per one hundred thousand but the headline figure is 50%.

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Lostinacloud · 15/06/2021 08:53

When these graphs flash up on the screen for a few seconds at a time, which figures are likely to be referred to by Whitty and picked out by the viewer? The 61% and the 50%. Figures that retain the fear and look scary when they follow it up with projections of more doubling every week.

I saw someone tweet from Cumbria that there were 860 covid patients in their area hospitals during the January peak. At the moment there are around 9. The figures just do not add up for this to be the reaction. There will have to be cases, hospitalisations and deaths, it can never be zero.

Lostinacloud · 15/06/2021 08:57

@MRex and no I don’t wonder why the spread has been slower. I know why, it’s because the vulnerable are vaccinated and whilst it spreads around the young, natural immunity grows not hospitalisations and deaths.

loginfail · 15/06/2021 08:58

Jeepers, that's pure abuse of stats and charts, presumably to form opinion/support political decisions.

I'll admit I don't follow the wider UK MSM that closely but I assume that this has all been carefully analysed overnight and is all being widely reported this morning?

MRex · 15/06/2021 09:18

[quote Lostinacloud]@MRex and no I don’t wonder why the spread has been slower. I know why, it’s because the vulnerable are vaccinated and whilst it spreads around the young, natural immunity grows not hospitalisations and deaths.[/quote]
You explicitly asked "The delta variant has had 4 1/2 months running wild, where are the terrifying numbers, hospitalisations and deaths by now?", so I answered the question for you. You're welcome by the way.

ThornAmongstRoses · 15/06/2021 09:20

The image in your opening post OP is very chilling. But it makes a very good point.

Cornettoninja · 15/06/2021 09:37

Really excellent post @RedToothBrush and echos a lot of my sentiments and experiences, for instance dd’s (state) primary school is running sports day and an end of term trip both with adjustments for covid. I also agree with your summary on why we’re extending the lifting for all restrictions. The delta variant has really impacted any gain we made being so quick off the mark with vaccinations.

The whole ‘I’m done’ mentality aren’t looking for anything that contradicts their world view though. Counter arguments mean nothing and are generally met with ‘what aboutary’ until they hit on something that is true. It’s an exhaustingly pessimistic mind set.

Lostinacloud · 15/06/2021 11:12

@MRex well you’ve not really answered my question at all Hmm
I asked where the terrifying numbers are. Effectively you are saying there aren’t any, you don’t have any figures to present. I didn’t ask why there aren’t the same numbers because I know why! So there’s a little lesson for you on how to read a question correctly - you’re welcome Confused

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2021 11:33

@Cornettoninja

Really excellent post *@RedToothBrush* and echos a lot of my sentiments and experiences, for instance dd’s (state) primary school is running sports day and an end of term trip both with adjustments for covid. I also agree with your summary on why we’re extending the lifting for all restrictions. The delta variant has really impacted any gain we made being so quick off the mark with vaccinations.

The whole ‘I’m done’ mentality aren’t looking for anything that contradicts their world view though. Counter arguments mean nothing and are generally met with ‘what aboutary’ until they hit on something that is true. It’s an exhaustingly pessimistic mind set.

What I'm finding is in practice there isn't a lot I can't do without thought.

I can't travel abroad (I'd only do that once or twice a year anyway)
I can't go to a nightclub (I'm in my 40s so doesn't really bother me)
I can't volunteer at DS's school atm (which is fair enough)
I can't have a big piss up at the pub indoors or have a big meal with friends indoors - however there are ways around this either at home or having a picnic.

Beyond that, I can do things like go to selected festivals if they are in pilot schemes, go to the theatre, go to the cinema, travel and visit friends and family etc etc.

The people I do feel sorry for are those who work in certain industries and services which have been particularly hard hit and still are waiting for restrictions to reopen / make it cost effective. But all things considered this is an ever decreasing number of people.

Its good to see the demand for vaccinations in all age groups is surpassing expectations. Thats the most we can really ask for and hope for.

Going forward we will get on top of the variant situation with varient specific vaccines and have the capacity / infrustructive to deliver this quickly.

I'll be honest that I do still worry about Dec/Jan time for hospitals but thats a given most years anyway, and even a small increase in this due to covid is going to be problematic. But there are limits as to what more can be done.

The government has nearly exhausted all the things it can reasonably do.

JediGnot · 15/06/2021 11:44

@Wherediditgo

I’m sat here feeling like absolute shite after taking a vaccine I didn’t want, for a disease that I would be statistically highly unlikely to suffer badly from.

My MH is in fucking ruins.

I’m definitely done.

Thank you for taking the vaccine, but please don't imply that you were compelled to take it.

Feeling shite (for an hour or two, for a few days) is an occupational hazard of being a GOOD PERSON who is doing their best to help the country get back to normal.

I am fortunate enough to be fairly strong mentally so I am not "in ruins"... having said that I'm sure that my desire to get back to normal is just as great as yours. The difference is that I don't think that whinging about "being done" or pressuring government to open things up early is going to help, in fact I think it's much more likely to do the reverse.

Wherediditgo · 15/06/2021 11:48

JediGnot
On a thread full of people saying how they’re ‘done’ and you decide to pick specifically on me?
I’m still feeling like shit today, by the way.

My massive apologies if you find my lack of emotional resilience distressing. I do hope that my posting on this forum, detailing my personal feelings on the matter hasn’t inconvenienced you at all.

Hornbill123456789 · 15/06/2021 11:52

@RedToothBrush @Cornettoninja

Excellent posts - and I completely agree.

My daughter’s state primary school has done an incredible amount to support her during the pandemic - every day in her lockdown zoom meeting the class were encouraged to talk about how they were feeling and how they could support their well being.

She’s happy to back, she’s off on a trip today.

School have pulled out all the stops - they’ve been amazing.

Daughter’s Brownies returned last week - outside, gorgeous sunny evening - she was beaming when she came out.

We have done so many outdoor activities, she’s been running with me - great that our local Lido is open now.

And we met with friends for a birthday picnic at the weekend - it was one of the best parties I’ve been to.

A lot of it has been about adapting. And as a Mum in her forties I HAD to go for it - and try and look for the best possible outcome in every scenario. For her sake, and DS’s sake.

Hornbill123456789 · 15/06/2021 11:54

I’m not done, I can’t allow myself to be done. If I’m done then the virus has won. No way is it beating me.

Neron · 15/06/2021 12:02

Thank you for taking the vaccine, but please don't imply that you were compelled to take it
Why not? It is true - take a look at threads on here. People are being compelled to take it 'for the greater good'. The vitriol from people if you dare to second guess it or shock horror, not take it at all

Feeling shite (for an hour or two, for a few days) is an occupational hazard of being a GOOD PERSON who is doing their best to help the country get back to normal
If you are fortunate not to suffer any adverse reactions. That isn't the case for all, but hey, if you have long term issues or even die from the vaccine then all is well. Part and parcel of being a GOOD PERSON right?

I am fortunate enough to be fairly strong mentally so I am not "in ruins"... having said that I'm sure that my desire to get back to normal is just as great as yours. The difference is that I don't think that whinging about "being done" or pressuring government to open things up early is going to help, in fact I think it's much more likely to do the reverse
By your own admission you're strong mentally so really don't know how that PP is feeling do you, so aren't feeling the same. Same storm, different boat and all that.

bumbleymummy · 15/06/2021 12:04

@JediGnot Riiight.... vaccinated GOOD people, unvaccinated BAD people. This is heading a nice way Hmm

Cornettoninja · 15/06/2021 12:17

@Lostinacloud

The ‘terrifying’ (not the word I’d use, concerning/worrying maybe) numbers are the percentage rises we’re seeing. These numbers are driven by specific areas at the moment but to translate them nationally and project future rises at the same rate would become terrifying from a healthcare resource perspective.

If the situation was ‘terrifying’ we’d be looking at tightening up restrictions or a lockdown. As it is it’s simply ‘concerning’ hence no move to loosen or tighten anything until we can achieve further vaccinations.

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Cornettoninja · 15/06/2021 12:22

@Wherediditgo I really didn’t read @JediGnot’s post as picking on you Confused

I appreciate that you’re feeling low but please don’t give anonymous opinion on the internet so much power over your well-being.

SamW98 · 15/06/2021 12:26

@Wherediditgo

JediGnot On a thread full of people saying how they’re ‘done’ and you decide to pick specifically on me? I’m still feeling like shit today, by the way.

My massive apologies if you find my lack of emotional resilience distressing. I do hope that my posting on this forum, detailing my personal feelings on the matter hasn’t inconvenienced you at all.

I know its difficult but ignore those insensitive comments.

Being 'mentally strong' has absolutely nothing to do with having emotional reactions to a shit situation. I totally get where you are and send love.

Many very strong, very resilient people have hit a brick wall at times this last 15 months - having bad days is not a weakness and being able to admit it is a strength

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