Bored of Boris-bashing

[Miaowmi]

I'm not a massive fan or anything, nor do I think the government have made all the right decisions during the pandemic. But I'm just getting bored of the fuckwit Boris letting the delta variant in, fucking moron, etc narrative. I'm too bored of this to waste energy being angry! Like, honestly, it would have got in anyway. All it takes is one case. And if they had "closed the fucking border" and refused to let ANYONE or ANYTHING in from India (which is impractical) it would be branded discriminatory, racist, etc. And meh, New Zealand managed it, whatever - smaller population than London in a larger group of islands than GB&NI. Cannot understand how anyone thinks it's comparable.

I'm just fed up of all the wrath and anger. Honestly, I think the government bashing is making them go freaky-cautious. So it's detrimental to businesses, wellbeing, etc. Yeah, I get this isn't how things work in an ideal world. But the world is not ideal! I just can't bring myself to be pissed off about it.

am not sure though who would have been hurt if those schools that needed to would have been allowed to shut a week early for Christmas? The kids who lost a few more weeks of their education? The child who doesn't feel safe at home and the longer they're stuck there with no one to notice, the more risk they are at? The agency teachers and TAs who lose two weeks pay because they don't get paid if the school isn't open?

If you can't get angry about 10s of thousands of lives being lost, and the incredibly incompetent government failing to minimise that risk, what the hell in life should we be getting angry at?
I can be sad and sorry without being angry.

If you want to argue that he made some very poor decisions, fair enough

So you agree he had made very poor decisions then ?

I never said that I didn't think that.

Talk about spoiling for a fight!

Are you pleased that Boris' indecision and lack of leadership in the autumn meant that the bodies both pilled up and we had a lengthy lockdown?

Yeah, I'm delighted about it, obviously.

Totally agree with you. Too many Captain Hindsights wanting to mouth off. We haven't done considerably worse than most comparable countries and we've done quite a bit better than a few. Whatever decision this government makes is always going to be the wrong decision for some Everything is always either too much or too little, too soon or too late, too heavy handed or not heavy handed enough. Racist, or pandering to cutural sensitivities. They were never going to be able to please everyone.

I do sort of agree. I didn’t vote Conservative, nor would I ever do so, and I think he is utterly unsuited to the role. However, the way some people go on you’d think he cooked up covid in his spare room.

The school situation in January was a perfect example of could have done better. The kids had been off & away from each other for 2 weeks over Xmas, they went back in January for 1 day before closing again - how many people caught covid because of that decision?
Not stopping flights from India, not putting effective quarantine rules in place for people coming from abroad, rubbish test & trace, building nightingale hospitals but not staffing them. How many mistakes will it take before people actually get angry?

@Miaowmi

The "let the bodies pile high" thing is a classic example.

Did he actually say it? Probably. But it was more likely a "I'll see the bodies pile high before I put this country back into lockdown" statement. Tasteful? Absolutely not. Offensive? Yes (since it's been spread more widely than intended). Rhetorical flourish? Also yes. Has no one else ever said anything mildly distasteful in private to make a point?

If you want to argue that he made some very poor decisions, fair enough. But I couldn't get worked up over that comment.

I'm with you OP. I work for the NHS and can say honestly that, if patients heard the comments like this made in private situations, most of us would be sacked and the NHS would be no more.
While I am not a Tory and think they have made mistakes, I thank my lucky stars we were not facing this with Corbyn & Co at the helm.

And as for the captain hindsight bollox, they didn’t need a crystal ball - we had an example of what would happen because it all happened in Italy before it happened here. They should have looked at that situation & learnt from it

If you can't get angry about 10s of thousands of lives being lost, and the incredibly incompetent government failing to minimise that risk, what the hell in life should we be getting angry at?

I can be sad and sorry without being angry

Sorry, pardon, you are sad and sorry !!! Sad and sorry that 10s of thousands of people have died.

I'm sad and sorry when something happens that is out of others control. I'm fu*king angry when this risk could have been minimised, action could have been taken to help avoid this and it wasn't and people just sit back and accept that as a coutry, this is our best, that we don't deserve better leadership, we don't deserve our money to be given to the correct people to help save lives and not given to our bent leaders best mate , that we don't deserve for our leader to be held to account for his decisions.

@bobsgirl Thank you! I'm glad it's not just me. I also work in the NHS, my husband is a teacher... If people heard what is said in my office, or what he says about his pupils, we'd be for the chop for certain! But people don't, and sometimes it's just a means of letting off steam in a stressful situation. Is it super nice or tasteful? No. But neither do I think it's crime of the century.

What is it with people starting threads telling people off for commenting on the public actions and public words of public figures?

We've had the endless "if anyone is critical of Harry and Meghan then they're racist bullies", now this one saying we shouldn't be critical of our Prime Minister.

Public figures will be discussed by the public. Prime ministers will be judged on their actions, and hopefully held accountable, though in reality it's usually too late.

He let the Kent variant spread and that has caused unnecessary deaths all over Europe let alone the UK. They are a bunch of lying bastards only interesting in enriching themselves and their mates.

I never said that I didn't think that

Talk about spoiling for a fight!

So you have just answered your own question, due to the terrible decisions the man has made, that you agree he has made, that is what has made people livid, well some people.

When people say it wasn't clear what decision needed to be taken in March 2020, its always worth noting that all the major banks and many large employers in London had already given their staff a "work from home" notice over a week before we locked down. Banks and other city based companies were testing their home working IT systems 2 weeks before we locked down, dhs bank were restricting access to which floors in the building you were allowed in 2 weeks before to try to limit spread within the workforce. (He was at home over a week before Boris' lockdown message to the country.)

They saw it coming. They saw that one of their biggest assets is their staff, and needed to get those people safe.

If an investment bank's HR department could see it, then 10 Downing Street should have done too. If not, why not? It wasn't lack of data. It was lack of leadership.

it was clear in Febuary with papers published about the Diamond Princess that there had to be both asymptomatic and aerosal spread).

You should be head of the WHO then. Because that’s what we pay them to be a member of for.

I'm just sick of the ANGER.
It's so negative...unkind...pointless.
Call BJ a fuckwit ten times a day. Does it help the situation? Does it make you feel better?
Lay into random people who don't agree with and call them fuckwits / selfish / idiots. Is it necessary? Is it kind?
I can for sure agree that some of the PM's decision-making was poor. But how does being angry about it help? I don't think it helps anyone.
Generally shouting at someone "you're an idiot!" doesn't bring them round to your point of view.

I can promise you that I would have done a better job.

And Johnson has never been 'tortured' about anything in his life. He doesn't give a shit. Whatever he does, he'll be fine. I can't explain why he wins elections, other than that there are a hell of a lot of very, very stupid people in this country.

You will notice that Japan, Taiwan and Singapore didn't wait for the WHO to tell them to mask up.

I started a new job on 2nd March and we already had a travel ban and handshake ban and meeting room ban. A week later we were sent home and I've been there ever since.

@LolaSmiles

What is it with people starting threads telling people off for commenting on the public actions and public words of public figures?

We've had the endless "if anyone is critical of Harry and Meghan then they're racist bullies", now this one saying we shouldn't be critical of our Prime Minister.

Public figures will be discussed by the public. Prime ministers will be judged on their actions, and hopefully held accountable, though in reality it's usually too late.

I didn't tell anyone off and I didn't say no one should be critical. I said I'm bored - which I'm allowed to be - with the endless anger and negativity which bleeds onto every thread, all the time.

I also work in the NHS, my husband is a teacher... If people heard what is said in my office, or what he says about his pupils, we'd be for the chop for certain!

Right, so if you get caught out voicing those unsavoury opinions, you understand the outcome....the sack.
So he got caught saying unsavoury things, the outcome should be............

Absenceof evidence isn't the same of evidence of absence.

They were criminally negligent with regards to care homes and hospices. So many people have died when they didn't need to. It makes be beyond furious. They all need to be sacked.

@BonnieDundee

Still whinging about carehomes (same old shit) Still haven’t answered, Where should we have sent the thousands of recovered elderly patients who, as usual, were waiting to be discharged to their care homes from hospital?

On the other thread you did mention testing. You should have invented, mass produced, distributed and conducted this testing based on your advanced prior knowledge.