Time to move on

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This virus is here to stay and will always be around. So my question is, do we as a country move on once we are all vaccinated and get on with life as it were pre pandemic. Go out with friends, no face masks, travel Internationally and enjoy holidays, no bubbles at work or school. Not isolating untill we have a negative test ect ect. Or are we OK with going back a step everytime a new mutation pops up.

Personally for me, I think as this is around forever now and eventually will be controlled, I want things to go back to normal normal not go back a few steps if a variant appear. We can't evade them all and eventually one will evade the vaccines to an extent, but to lock the country up as we have and are doing, it's intolerable.

One woman's hoot is another one's f(owl) (groan...)

LOVE THE NHS - FUCK THE TORIES

Oblomov This clear enough for you www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-new-data-from-phe-on-the-b-1-617-2-delta-variant/

But if you view Science as a pick and mix well….. just shows your ignorance of it

Does this mean that the scientists you’ve picked are correct?

Not leading a weird half life here either, travelled to my parents to see them for the second time in a year, and off for a week on a bracing beach but I will continue to socially distance and wear a mask whether or not the restrictions are lifted, no skin off my nose. The Japanese have been doing it since 1918, since when it has been rude to spread your germs and viruses. I may have had Covid in March 2020 thanks to the Tories letting it run through London and infect 1.5m people, which is what happens when it goes unchecked, but I haven’t had a single cold or illness since.

I honestly think some people are deranged.

How is any of the way we are living normal?

Oh, and of course we have the “I’m going to wear a mask forever!!” brigade. Stay safe!!

@SausageFrog

Once everyone has the chance to be double vaccinated, yes. Not there yet.

The problem is that immunity from the vaccine isn't permanently, so by the time everyone is double jabbed (early autumn I would imagine, it all children are to be jabbed too), those who were vaccinated first will require another dose - and they're the most vulnerable group!

If they're going to insist that we don't relax rules any further until we have mass vaccination done, I honestly don't think it'll be 'normal' any time this year.

Wouldbegod I haven’t picked them! I listen to the scientific consensus. I don’t decide what I want from it and then go searching. SAGE and Independent SAGE are made up of experts who have emerged through the peer review process as the most valid voices in achieving consensus. Nowt to do with me. Though a lot to do with a member of my family who has worked on the frontline using her scientific skills in the public sector testing initiative and vaccination push throughout.

@JaniieJones

'But I do know that there is no point trying to reason with the zealots who are content to lead a weird half life in order to Stay Safe'

I'm not leading a weird half life. We have people round, we go to restaurants cinemas etc. Kids all at school. What is this 'weird half life' you so dramatically can't cope with?

I can however understand scientific experts on the news who have said we need to watch the next couple of weeks as there has been a recent change in data before it's all completely back to normal.

Exactly this Not rocket science is it?

'Not leading a weird half life here either, travelled to my parents to see them for the second time in a year, and off for a week on a bracing beach but I will continue to socially distance and wear a mask whether or not the restrictions are lifted, no skin off my nose. '

Yes we've had people stay over, I mean wtf is wrong with people complaining about half lives. You stand 2m away from folk in tescos, so what.

Obviously folk who have big weddings booked may be sweating but worse things really do happen.

Add to that the scientific consensus is international and there are plenty of countries that have made use of the established methods of infection control to minimise deaths, lockdowns and economic damage. Taiwan is only in the middle of a mini wave because it failed to expand its testing whilst it had the chance.

Emily you link proves my point exactly. There is no need for any hysteria. Yes we have a new strain. But it's slowing. And hospitalisation are low. And the NHS can cope.

"Though, hospitalisations and deaths remain low considering case numbers. "

“Cases ......slowing. "

“Cases ......slowing. "

Great! so we needn't panic about 'enough is enough!' then hmm? If they need a bit longer to collate definitive date then fine, let's not flap.

Yeahhhh, I'm bored with this nonsense now.

Oblomov You do understand that they are saying it may be slowing or it may be a “blip” Therefore time is needed to observe how the situation develops. You are even picking the sentences you want to read and discounting the ones you don’t!

@Emilyontmoor

Scientific opinion does not agree on the strategies necessary Well that is how Science works. Achieves consensus through peer review of the evidence to support different analyses of the evidence in the face of uncertainty.

The scientists who get wheeled out to support lockdown scepticism are entitled to their theories, and the funding they get from right wing American think tanks for promulgating them. But they are very much in the minority and outliers to the scientific consensus, and whilst they might get through the doors of number ten, and into the Daily Mail and wheeled out by the BBC in the interests of false balance (though notably less since they got it so wrong before the last wave) they are not part of the scientific establishments response to the pandemic.

But if you view Science as a pick and mix well….. just shows your ignorance of it

It doesn’t matter if they are in the ‘minority’ because they have been more accurate than the lockdowners. We’re seeing the death of expertise—how can we ever trust these clowns again?

@Oblomov21

Emily you link proves my point exactly. There is no need for any hysteria. Yes we have a new strain. But it's slowing. And hospitalisation are low. And the NHS can cope.

"Though, hospitalisations and deaths remain low considering case numbers. "

“Cases ......slowing. "

Half term acted like a mini circuit breaker because the third wave is still being driven by outbreaks in schools.

The proportion of hospitalisations and deaths to cases is different now because of the vaccines, and the lag is currently longer while this wave gets into its stride.

Let's look at it again in 3 weeks -a month.

Used up Are you in an alternate universe where hundreds of thousands have not died as a result of leaders like Johnson, Modi, Bolsonaro deluding themselves that they were putting the economy, in reality ideology and politics first, and letting the virus “run it’s course” and countries which had effective virus suppression strategies protected their people and their economies. Please reply without some slick right wing video of misleading pseudoscience, especially not narrated in a tedious monotone, also without the outdated racist trope of a passive east and a west with agency (as if)

"Covid is here to stay and we just have to go back to normal" is this year's "covid is over" isn't it?

The Japanese have been doing it since 1918, since when it has been rude to spread your germs and viruses

So Japan must be an illness free utopia and no one ever gets sick? First I've heard lol

@PrincessNutNuts

"Covid is here to stay and we just have to go back to normal" is this year's "covid is over" isn't it?

I think you have to use the hashtag enough is enough to truly demonstrate your position though

@Emilyontmoor

Used up Are you in an alternate universe where hundreds of thousands have not died as a result of leaders like Johnson, Modi, Bolsonaro deluding themselves that they were putting the economy, in reality ideology and politics first, and letting the virus “run it’s course” and countries which had effective virus suppression strategies protected their people and their economies. Please reply without some slick right wing video of misleading pseudoscience, especially not narrated in a tedious monotone, also without the outdated racist trope of a passive east and a west with agency (as if)

There are other strategies beyond lockdown. Brazil wasn’t even the worst in South America. Peru had some of the strictest lockdowns and was actually hit harder than Brazil. But no one seems to know about that or care.

And if lockdowns, you know, worked then you wouldn’t constantly be going in and out of them. Florida’s tactic of focused protection actually made the most sense and could be done long-term without hurting the economy or the lives of young people.

😆 wtf exactly is this half life I’m reading about 😆

Are we all locked in our houses with an hours slot for exercise again or is everyone going about their daily business just being more aware of their proximity to others and wearing a face mask when in enclosed public spaces? Aside from international travel and not watching concerts you can do pretty much anything else only with a little more consideration than before.

Half life 🤣😂

@Thewiseoneincognito

😆 wtf exactly is this half life I’m reading about 😆

Are we all locked in our houses with an hours slot for exercise again or is everyone going about their daily business just being more aware of their proximity to others and wearing a face mask when in enclosed public spaces? Aside from international travel and not watching concerts you can do pretty much anything else only with a little more consideration than before.

Half life 🤣😂

Foreign travel is very important to me. So the loss of it is having a big impact.

@Thewiseoneincognito

😆 wtf exactly is this half life I’m reading about 😆

Are we all locked in our houses with an hours slot for exercise again or is everyone going about their daily business just being more aware of their proximity to others and wearing a face mask when in enclosed public spaces? Aside from international travel and not watching concerts you can do pretty much anything else only with a little more consideration than before.

Half life 🤣😂

Also plenty of people working in those industries are currently in limbo.