Time to move on

[Clotsaway]

This virus is here to stay and will always be around. So my question is, do we as a country move on once we are all vaccinated and get on with life as it were pre pandemic. Go out with friends, no face masks, travel Internationally and enjoy holidays, no bubbles at work or school. Not isolating untill we have a negative test ect ect. Or are we OK with going back a step everytime a new mutation pops up.

Personally for me, I think as this is around forever now and eventually will be controlled, I want things to go back to normal normal not go back a few steps if a variant appear. We can't evade them all and eventually one will evade the vaccines to an extent, but to lock the country up as we have and are doing, it's intolerable.

sleepwouldbenice does flinging out vague, nonsensical personal insults cheer you up?

MaxNormal the wise strategy would to have soberly reflected on your throwaway remark apologized with some caveat it was a particularly bad day and that would have been that. But in that hole you kept on digging - I suspect a name change might allow a tactical retreat.

bollihigh why? I've not name-changed for years and I'm going to start now.
I'm not going to pretend to feel bad about saying something if I don't, either.

Mate, without HMRC collecting money there wouldn't actually be an NHS. So no I can't say I see the difference particularly.

I know a few people who work / worked for HMRC. They would be highly amused to be thought as deserving of admiration as any of the caring professions. When a decree came out recently from the government that they had to catch up on their backlogs, presumably reflecting the importance of collecting that money, my family member, a senior manager, couldn’t get a single member of her staff to work the extra hours. Just as well we weren’t relying on them to don hot uncomfortable PPE and work long hours at risk of catching COVID. There are plenty of things wrong with the NHS, getting through the bureaucracy to get routine treatment can be frustrating and time consuming, but when it is a crisis and you need heroic life saving treatment , whether COVID, Cancer or an accident then there are people who will give of themselves and use their skills to care for you in a way few other members of society would. Have you ever made a comparative contribution to society? I somehow doubt it given the misanthropy manifest in your posts.

Like this thread says it's time to move on ...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8236123/F-k-NHS-Driver-sparks-fury-sticking-foul-mouthed-note-car.html

I agree with you @Clotsaway.

We need to end all restrictions/isolating/masks now and just crack on.

'We need to end all restrictions/isolating/masks now and just crack on'

Why do you think you know better than scientific experts?

Surely it is better to hang on for 2 weeks and see if these 8k a day cases do have any impact on hospitalisations? We'll have the same covid denying mask refusing prats shrieking 'it's all the governments fault they didn't listen to the scientists!' In a couple of weeks.

' actually time to just put all the repeatedly stupid, covid minimising idiots on their own island to run their own NHS and pandemic strategy'

Ah yes. With no nhs though because they want to 'fuck the nhs' apparently.

@MaxNormal

sleepwouldbenice does flinging out vague, nonsensical personal insults cheer you up?

Yes it did actually. So what do you actually do to contribute to sorting all this out?

[quote herecomesthsun]@southeastdweller

Here's a link discussing the uncertainty for NHS provision in the current situation and the need for intelligent caution going forward, from the CEO of NHS Providers

twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/status/1401403305809547269[/quote]
That just says what I was saying anyway.

Is there a link anywhere directing us to a possible future lockdown being justified?

'So what do you actually do to contribute to sorting all this out?'

I would guess the pp would 'protect the vulnerable' say we have to learn to live with it with no suggestion how critical care can manage 300% more patients and look after other patients and of course they would probably also say the dramatic 'enough is enough ' as if this motto is something PHE should adopt. Oh and of course 'yeah but no but vaccinations', when experts keep saying the delta variant is more vaccine resistant and only time will tell if hospitalisations will climb.

Luckily PHE etc aren't run by rabid covid denying mumsnetters.

I'm still in bits over 'Fuck the NHS'

I’m not a Covid denier.

I do think the NHS is there to protect us and not the other way round. In any event, it is far from overwhelmed by covid.

We are always told, oh just another two webs/months/ til Easter/ til the elderly are vaccinated/ til everyone is vaccinated/oh, but the immunosuppressed/long Covid etc etc. The goalposts are continually shifted.

Scientific opinion does not agree on the strategies necessary. It makes me neither stupid nor selfish because I want our freedoms back and feel that it’s time to end restrictions.

I’m sick of the narrative that it’s those screeching for continued lockdown who are selfless and intelligent and anyone who questions is thick or crazy.

'The goalposts are continually shifted.'

Well, that is because the situation keeps 'shifting'. A month ago there were 2k cases a day, now there are 8k. Now of course vaccines may keep hospitalisations down but if Professors etc are telling you they just don't know for sure at this point are you seriously suggesting they must plough on regardless?!

Yes

@JaniieJones

'The goalposts are continually shifted.'

Well, that is because the situation keeps 'shifting'. A month ago there were 2k cases a day, now there are 8k. Now of course vaccines may keep hospitalisations down but if Professors etc are telling you they just don't know for sure at this point are you seriously suggesting they must plough on regardless?!

But the vaccines ARE keeping hospitalisations down!

'I'm still in bits over 'Fuck the NHS'

I know! It kind of shows the intellect and attitude of the 'enough is enough' rabble.

'are you seriously suggesting they must plough on regardless?!'

'Yes'

As demonstrated 🙄

I’m sick of the narrative that it’s those screeching for continued lockdown who are selfless and intelligent and anyone who questions is thick or crazy.

As shown by the self appointedly wise above

"We are always told, oh just another two webs/months/ til Easter/ til the elderly are vaccinated/ til everyone is vaccinated/oh, but the immunosuppressed/long Covid etc etc. The goalposts are continually shifted"

The trouble is by lifting restrictions and not limiting cases last autumn more contagious variants have been spawned which reduce vaccine efficiency to some limited extent. The alpha and delta have arisen in less than 6 months and we have also know that letting infections run riot in partly vaccinated people risks a variant evolving which the vaccines are less effective against. It has been said for months that boosters will be needed for the next few years.

We already have a lot of freedoms back and it's probably worth deferring the rest for a few weeks rather risk all the progress that has been made over the last fifteen months or so.

I think there'll be a few symbolic measures relaxed like numbers at weddings but we'll likely have to wait a few weeks for the rest.

'But the vaccines ARE keeping hospitalisations down!'

They have yes, but we have fairly swiftly gone from 2k to 8k cases! At the risk of sounding like a broken record, actual experts have said they don't know if this will now impact on hospitalisations.

It might not! But for the sake of 2 weeks surely it is better to have data to back everything up.

@bollihigh

MaxNormal the wise strategy would to have soberly reflected on your throwaway remark apologized with some caveat it was a particularly bad day and that would have been that. But in that hole you kept on digging - I suspect a name change might allow a tactical retreat.

What a silly PA attempt at bullying.

This thread is a hoot.

It’s never two weeks. It’s been sixteen months. And five months since vaccinations started.

But I do know that there is no point trying to reason with the zealots who are content to lead a weird half life in order to Stay Safe

Hospitals aren't under pressure though are they?

How many people who gave currently got it are ill? Very ill? Seriously unwell?

How badly do you get it, how ill are you if you've had both vaccines?

What age are the people getting it? Have they had at least one vaccine?

Scientific opinion does not agree on the strategies necessary Well that is how Science works. Achieves consensus through peer review of the evidence to support different analyses of the evidence in the face of uncertainty.

The scientists who get wheeled out to support lockdown scepticism are entitled to their theories, and the funding they get from right wing American think tanks for promulgating them. But they are very much in the minority and outliers to the scientific consensus, and whilst they might get through the doors of number ten, and into the Daily Mail and wheeled out by the BBC in the interests of false balance (though notably less since they got it so wrong before the last wave) they are not part of the scientific establishments response to the pandemic.

But if you view Science as a pick and mix well….. just shows your ignorance of it

'But I do know that there is no point trying to reason with the zealots who are content to lead a weird half life in order to Stay Safe'

I'm not leading a weird half life. We have people round, we go to restaurants cinemas etc. Kids all at school. What is this 'weird half life' you so dramatically can't cope with?

I can however understand scientific experts on the news who have said we need to watch the next couple of weeks as there has been a recent change in data before it's all completely back to normal.