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Time to move on

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Clotsaway · 10/06/2021 19:43

This virus is here to stay and will always be around. So my question is, do we as a country move on once we are all vaccinated and get on with life as it were pre pandemic. Go out with friends, no face masks, travel Internationally and enjoy holidays, no bubbles at work or school. Not isolating untill we have a negative test ect ect. Or are we OK with going back a step everytime a new mutation pops up.

Personally for me, I think as this is around forever now and eventually will be controlled, I want things to go back to normal normal not go back a few steps if a variant appear. We can't evade them all and eventually one will evade the vaccines to an extent, but to lock the country up as we have and are doing, it's intolerable.

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MaxNormal · 13/06/2021 16:26

Presumably if we found ourselves in a war, we would not assume that things would continue as normal?

If we found ourselves in a war I'd presume that Johnson and co had cocked up mightily and sent missiles to Dieppe in a furious row over sausages in NI and I'd be fucking furious at the disruption to normal life.

But we're not in a war.

SueSaid · 13/06/2021 16:35

'when it can be safely assumed, based on triangulation of multiple sources of evidence, that lifting all restrictions isn't going to lead to exponential increase of transmission that translates into overwhelmed hospitals or emergence of new variants that escape prior immunity at a rate that we can't keep up with'

Yes it isn't rocket science is it.

However the professors on mn have announced it is time to move on!!!! so I do hope Chris Whitty etc are reading

herecomesthsun · 13/06/2021 16:38

@MaxNormal

Presumably if we found ourselves in a war, we would not assume that things would continue as normal?

But we're not in a war.

National emergency though, which, like a war, means things aren't "normal" for a bit.

PrincessNutNuts · 13/06/2021 17:44

Enough is enough. Hitler will always be with us and we need to learn to live with him. I will no longer comply with "the rules" . They can stick their blackout curtains, and you won't get me down an air raid shelter again.

Mumsnet, 1941

Waxonwaxoff0 · 13/06/2021 17:49

@PrincessNutNuts

Mumsnet, 1941

A virus isn't Hitler. You can't fight a virus like you can fight an army.

PrincessNutNuts · 13/06/2021 18:16

Of course you can fight a virus.

We didn't give up and roll over for polio or measles.

We can fight covid with an effective test trace and isolate system, by improving ventilation, by making schools safer and by taking control of our borders and instituting a fit for purpose quarantine.

Our government has chosen not to.

They have chosen to surrender to the virus and go the negative, lazy, defeatist route of just letting it spread and disrupt the education or working life of - and hospitalise and/or kill - as many British people as it can.

I expect the Prime Minister to tell us so tomorrow.

The government could've stopped the third wave.

They still could.

But they won't.

PracticingPerson · 13/06/2021 18:21

You absolutely can fight a virus, and we should have been doing that more effectively from the outset. No one thinks we can eradicate it, but we should be trying to reduce it as much as possible to enable us to get back to relaxed enjoyment of our lives.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 13/06/2021 18:25

We haven't given up, we have invented a vaccine in less than a year. That's a hell of an achievement.

Polio and measles aren't eradicated, they still exist. I don't believe we locked down the entire country to prevent them either.

osbertthesyrianhamster · 13/06/2021 18:29

@PrincessNutNuts

Mumsnet, 1941

FFS.

As for you nickname, I'm no fan of Carrie but that moniker she was supposedly given was downright misogynistic.

MaxNormal · 13/06/2021 18:29

National emergency though, which, like a war, means things aren't "normal" for a bit

I think "a bit" has been stretched somewhat.

MaxNormal · 13/06/2021 18:30

No one thinks we can eradicate it, but we should be trying to reduce it as much as possible to enable us to get back to relaxed enjoyment of our lives

By vaccinating, presumably? Otherwise we're locking down to, what, prevent lockdowns? It's a bit circular.

SueSaid · 13/06/2021 18:43

'By vaccinating, presumably? Otherwise we're locking down to, what, prevent lockdowns? It's a bit circular.'

Well yes but as has been explained ad nauseam definitive data is needed to prove the vaccines are indeed keeping hospitalisations down. They have been, but we've only just gone up to 7k/8k cases so that will need looking at as there is always a lag, which most people by this stage know.

It isn't 'lockdown' anyway.

PrincessNutNuts · 13/06/2021 18:50

Fit for purpose Test trace and isolate

Ventilation

Effective Border controls

Effective Border quarantine

Safer schools and workplaces

Working from home if you can

Masks

Social distancing

The vaccines do a lot of heavy lifting. They make fighting the virus much, much easier.

But they can't do it on their own.

A lockdown is a failure to fight the virus effectively to the extent that essential basic infrastructure is under threat.

PicsInRed · 13/06/2021 18:51

Presumably if we found ourselves in a war, we would not assume that things would continue as normal?

To quote from iRobot:

"That, is the right question."

Blossomtoes · 13/06/2021 18:51

@MaxNormal

No one thinks we can eradicate it, but we should be trying to reduce it as much as possible to enable us to get back to relaxed enjoyment of our lives

By vaccinating, presumably? Otherwise we're locking down to, what, prevent lockdowns? It's a bit circular.

Excellent point. I hadn’t looked at it like that but you’re absolutely right.

MaxNormal · 13/06/2021 18:55

Why be so rude? I am not sure what it is about certain posters on the covid board who seem to think that being massively unpleasant and calling everyone stupid is acceptable.

MaxNormal · 13/06/2021 18:58

PrincessNutNuts Europe is busy opening up, Germans are going on holiday, the Danes are having masks scrapped apart from on public transport, the Swedes don't wear them anyway....
Why are we here in the UK so especially at risk, especially given our vaccine rollout? It's not like the Delta variant won't be in Europe as well. It's not like they slammed shut like Australia either.
So what's the difference?

PrincessNutNuts · 13/06/2021 19:30

@MaxNormal

PrincessNutNuts Europe is busy opening up, Germans are going on holiday, the Danes are having masks scrapped apart from on public transport, the Swedes don't wear them anyway.... Why are we here in the UK so especially at risk, especially given our vaccine rollout? It's not like the Delta variant won't be in Europe as well. It's not like they slammed shut like Australia either. So what's the difference?

Well if they let Delta in, let it seed itself all round the country, let it spread, let 20,000 potential cases fly in, let in an infected trade delegation without asking them to quarantine, then finally put India on the red list but still let hundreds of planes arrive from India over the next few weeks, then help it out by opening up and taking away masks in schools even though schools are a main driver for community spread...

...Then they'll be in the same position we are now.

SueSaid · 13/06/2021 19:39

'Why be so rude?'

Didn't you say fuck the nhs? I mean you can't handwring over being 'rude' when you've been so offensive yourself surely.

I'm not sure what is so hard about understanding we have had a very recent surge in cases and they need to ensure it doesn't equate to a surge in hospitalisations..

Poorlykitten · 13/06/2021 19:42

It tentatively looks like the link between infections and hospitalisations has been broken according to this article…
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-vaccines-infections-deaths-nhs-b1862412.html%3famp

SueSaid · 13/06/2021 19:45

'Europe is busy opening up, Germans are going on holiday, the Danes are having masks scrapped apart from on public transport'

But they aren't having a new surge! . If our cases were 1k I doubt there'd be any hesitation.

Do refer to the link so you've got a clue what's going on number wise www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Good news @Poorlykitten! We can all unclench

Pootle40 · 13/06/2021 19:45

@MaxNormal

PrincessNutNuts Europe is busy opening up, Germans are going on holiday, the Danes are having masks scrapped apart from on public transport, the Swedes don't wear them anyway.... Why are we here in the UK so especially at risk, especially given our vaccine rollout? It's not like the Delta variant won't be in Europe as well. It's not like they slammed shut like Australia either. So what's the difference?

I've been wondering this too. Is Covid pre-programmed to target Brits especially or is a lot of it just propaganda? Even all the people on MN just regurgitating shite about the 'Delta' variant. Talk about sucked in easily.

HazeyJaneII · 13/06/2021 20:01

@MaxNormal

PrincessNutNuts Europe is busy opening up, Germans are going on holiday, the Danes are having masks scrapped apart from on public transport, the Swedes don't wear them anyway.... Why are we here in the UK so especially at risk, especially given our vaccine rollout? It's not like the Delta variant won't be in Europe as well. It's not like they slammed shut like Australia either. So what's the difference?

Didn't the WHO warn against the Delta variant taking hold in Europe, as some countries relax restrictions and race to get over 60s vaccinated, just a few days ago?

SueSaid · 13/06/2021 20:16

'Didn't the WHO warn against the Delta variant taking hold in Europe, as some countries relax restrictions and race to get over 60s vaccinated, just a few days ago?'

Yes they'll go back to restrictions in 6 weeks time, then mnetters will decide our government aren't doing enough, 'they prioritised the economy over our health waaaah!'.

MarshaBradyo · 13/06/2021 20:20

@JaniieJones

'Didn't the WHO warn against the Delta variant taking hold in Europe, as some countries relax restrictions and race to get over 60s vaccinated, just a few days ago?'

Yes they'll go back to restrictions in 6 weeks time, then mnetters will decide our government aren't doing enough, 'they prioritised the economy over our health waaaah!'.

About half will. We’re probably split down the middle (who knows) but those posts do emerge but from different posters - probably

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