Time to move on

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This virus is here to stay and will always be around. So my question is, do we as a country move on once we are all vaccinated and get on with life as it were pre pandemic. Go out with friends, no face masks, travel Internationally and enjoy holidays, no bubbles at work or school. Not isolating untill we have a negative test ect ect. Or are we OK with going back a step everytime a new mutation pops up.

Personally for me, I think as this is around forever now and eventually will be controlled, I want things to go back to normal normal not go back a few steps if a variant appear. We can't evade them all and eventually one will evade the vaccines to an extent, but to lock the country up as we have and are doing, it's intolerable.

@JaniieJones

'Are we ready to open up now? No probably not and I'm open to a delay, but you can't define ready as being completely Covid-free.'

I believe it has been said repeatedly we will never be completely covid free and that certainly isn't the aim. It is to ensure hospitalisations don't start climbing. At this stage they aren't but after everything we've endured they've got to have the evidence to back it all up. Mumsnetters declaring enough is enough isn't quite what they go on.

Exactly this

Pootle, I don't believe you actually mean anything you say.

Fuck the NHS is probably the single most offensive thing I've read on here. I hope you are ashamed of yourself.

@southeastdweller

The MN Covid hysteria is really getting strong again, I see. It reminds me of the threads last year about people washing their supermarket shopping.

They absolutely love it don't they

Cringe

@southeastdweller

That number is increasing. By the time you are concerned about the number in hospital, it will be too late to stop the waves with a few more restrictions. Instead we will probably need a short lockdown. Please think about it.

Of course it will increase but the number will always be relatively small because of the vaccines. The days of us needing another lockdown are over.

Well yes relatively smaller due to vaccines But with the ability to be relatively bigger due to speed of transmission and if we open up further then also due to social contact So they still need to keep an eye on the data? I do hope that we dont need a lockdown hence the caution

Fuck the NHS just seems a reflection of how utterly pissed odd people feel that they still can’t get a GP appointment.

@bollihigh

Fuck the NHS is probably the single most offensive thing I've read on here. I hope you are ashamed of yourself.

We definitely agree on that.

"they don't have the resilience to face what is happening and what it means for them and their lives and so they make up other random explanations like project fear because they find it less threatening than the truth."

This makes so much sense. Having been through a Cancer diagnosis and shared that experience with others, some who are no longer here, I have experience of your life being hit by the extraordinary and craving “normal” like the OP. And yes you get deniers, and people who latch on to any passing snake oil salesman who offers a way out via some slick video (and how slick are those lockdown sceptics videos from the “Fat Emperor” etc. - takes some ? funding for that). But most of us did realise that life would never be the same again and adjusted to our new normal, and looking around I would say the majority have done that in relation to Covid, and will still do that to ensure that even if the government fuck up yet again we will try to minimise the impact on our communities.

It ought to be blindingly obvious by now that going back to “normal” and letting the virus have an as yet unquantified impact (given vaccine levels) equates to more economic damage, not less. But equally squirting coffee up your bum doesn’t stop Cancer but there is no shortage of people doing it.

@southeastdweller

"Of course it will increase but the number will always be relatively small because of the vaccines. The days of us needing another lockdown are over."

The top scientists and experts have literally said that even they don't know yet whether the vaccines will be able to keep the number of hospital admissions small at this point. They actually think that due to the new variant there is a reasonable chance that the number won't be small at all. This is not my opinion, it is what the scientists are saying.

With all due respect, what makes you think you are more qualified to project the potential number of hospitalisation in a third wave than scientists and experts?

@southeastdweller

The MN Covid hysteria is really getting strong again, I see. It reminds me of the threads last year about people washing their supermarket shopping.

That's funny, because it reminds me of the threads in autumn of last year when a reasonable discussion about the likelihood of a second lockdown was always met with an influx of responses from people who clearly weren't paying attention, making comments such as: "Stop fearmongering you hysterical lockdown lovers! We've flattened the curve, the UK will never go into another lockdown!! How ridiculous!!"

Unfortunately we can't wish away the facts and reality.

The deep offense over my throwaway comment does somewhat prove that the NHS has been elevated to a quasi religious status rather than a large, tax funded public institution.
No-one would bat an eyelid if I said fuck HMRC.

[quote Whatshouldicallme]@southeastdweller

"Of course it will increase but the number will always be relatively small because of the vaccines. The days of us needing another lockdown are over."

The top scientists and experts have literally said that even they don't know yet whether the vaccines will be able to keep the number of hospital admissions small at this point. They actually think that due to the new variant there is a reasonable chance that the number won't be small at all. This is not my opinion, it is what the scientists are saying.

With all due respect, what makes you think you are more qualified to project the potential number of hospitalisation in a third wave than scientists and experts?[/quote]
Could you cough up a link?

Do you really need it explaining @MaxNormal of why people care more about the NHS than they do about HMRC??? I thought your earlier post when you said fuck the NHS was dickish but this one beats it. We are fully aware of its failings but it's our national health service and all we have unless privileged enough to avail of private health insurance. It's a tax funded institution but it doesn't just push paper around all day does it?

Mate, without HMRC collecting money there wouldn't actually be an NHS. So no I can't say I see the difference particularly.

@southeastdweller

Here's a link discussing the uncertainty for NHS provision in the current situation and the need for intelligent caution going forward, from the CEO of NHS Providers

twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/status/1401403305809547269

Bizarre way of thinking in my mind but each to their own.

'That's funny, because it reminds me of the threads in autumn of last year when a reasonable discussion about the likelihood of a second lockdown was always met with an influx of responses from people who clearly weren't paying attention, making comments such as: "Stop fearmongering you hysterical lockdown lovers! We've flattened the curve, the UK will never go into another lockdown!! How ridiculous!!"

I know. It is deja vu! We have all the experts on the telly trying painstakingly to point out the current situation, the risks of this variant being more vaccine resistant. We saw in Sept and Dec how soaring rates equal soaring hospital rates and yes we've a high percentage vaccinated but also many, many who aren't.

Yer we have mn clowns telling people to go fuck themselves, declaring 'enough is enough', 'project fear' and other hysteria. It is no one's interest (other than health concerns) to drag this out, the government actually want you spending money fgs.

I'll ask again, barring holidays what can't people currently do? Surely it is worth another couple of weeks of data collecting to ensure we aren't about to enter another massive wave of hospitalisations?

It's actually time to just put all the repeatedly stupid, covid minimising idiots on their own island to run their own NHS and pandemic strategy

I appreciate the NHS however I grasp the annoyance even when number were low you still couldn’t get seen in a lot of areas . When I was sent to children’s a and e with my child constant rolling messages on the screen making you feel guilty for daring to seek hospital treatment.

Also I’m sick of the it’s almost normal brigade. No it isn’t everything has changed in some form even a trip to the shop or the cinema is not the same as it was.

It ought to be blindingly obvious by now that going back to “normal” and letting the virus have an as yet unquantified impact (given vaccine levels) equates to more economic damage, not less

Isn't that a contradiction in terms, given that something can hardly be "blindingly obvious" if the likely impact's unquantified?

It's a shame that the cries of "stupid" and "idiots" are getting more and more shrill, but I'm also reminded of the many comments that there's never been a cost/benefit analysis done over the many measures taken. Does anyone know if this is still the case, or have I missed it?

• we had no idea of what we were dealing with last year, bank cards, atms are places where people reckon they caught it.

The virus changes.

It's prudent to take responsibility for yourself and take any precautions you can to mitigate agaisnt an un known enemy.

@sleepwouldbenice

It's actually time to just put all the repeatedly stupid, covid minimising idiots on their own island to run their own NHS and pandemic strategy

Now that's what I call a plan!

Agreed

@MaxNormal

The deep offense over my throwaway comment does somewhat prove that the NHS has been elevated to a quasi religious status rather than a large, tax funded public institution. No-one would bat an eyelid if I said fuck HMRC.

No also you've proven is your narrow minded ignorance and stupidity. I bet you've never organised anything in your life