Do you think they will extend the lockdown or stick with 21st June As Freedom day?

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I hope they don't extend, because it moves the goalposts and then could lead to another extension. As it optional to go to certain places like clubs, when they open, then people vaccinated or not can make their choice.

I sadly think they will extend it and ruin my party planned for the end of June.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay - I’m taking it up with you as you are misinterpreting/misreading the figures. You claimed there was a higher number of people who had died with covid as a primary cause neither the ONS or the Govt Dashboard support this. The ONS stats show much lower numbers of deaths for covid as a primary cause and the dashboard reports deaths within 28 days of positive test vs deaths ‘with covid mentioned on the death certificate’ - that’s very different.

I hope the entertainment industry take the government on as they are threatening to do.

I for one would contribute to crowdfunding towards paying fines for that. I'm sick of it all I have other serious stuff going on in my life and a couple of younger relatives whose MH has taken a battering and whose state of mind seriously concerns me.

I'm done with compliance

And a friend of a friend who was outspoken about the effects of lockdown and who probably believed this will never end committed suicide recently. So they can fuck off with their restrictions. I can't have a holiday as I can't afford the prices here or the quarantine if going abroad but apart from that I'm doing what I want from now.

Telegraph reporting that's it's virtually a done deal.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/11/june-21-lockdown-lifting-called/

June 21 will no longer herald a full return to normality after Boris Johnson resigned himself to a delay of up to four weeks in lifting the remaining Covid restrictions.

The Prime Minister will tell the country on Monday that the latest data on the spread of the Indian or delta virus variant means it is too risky to go ahead as planned. A four-week delay would mean pushing the date back to July 19.

It had been hoped that weddings at least would be given a special dispensation after 50,000 couples – many of whom will have cancelled or delayed earlier celebrations – booked ceremonies for the four weeks following what had been billed as "freedom day".

But senior government sources said that while Mr Johnson might increase the current 30-person limit at weddings, restrictions on numbers would have to remain after officials from Matt Hancock's health department warned that they could become "super-spreader" events.

4 weeks could get a lot of the under 30's jabbed

It had been hoped that weddings at least would be given a special dispensation after 50,000 couples – many of whom will have cancelled or delayed earlier celebrations – booked ceremonies for the four weeks following what had been billed as "freedom day"

Not to mention all the proms and leavers parties for entire 6th forms who cancelled everything last year, and were hoping for some normality this year. I must admit this really pisses me off. They can go to school, share trains and coaches, go to work, go to the cinema, go to the theatre, go to Wimbledon or wherever, but not have a party with the same people they spend every day with, and have done for the last 3 months. It makes no sense.

Between the 6th form parties, and DH's planned work events, there will be several cancelled hotels, restaurants, entertainment. That's just us. I so feel for hospitality. The 50,000 weddings are just the tip of the iceberg.

A limit on weddings makes sense, alcohol, no distancing, hugging etc could indeed make then super spreader events.

Yeah it makes sense if you’re happy for more businesses to fold, more people to lose jobs and more people to suffer mental health problems

well if the alternative were to not be in a pandemic we'd take that wouldn't we? It's the best of a bad lot. Not good for a lot of businesses any way you look at it. Would it were otherwise.

@BigWoollyJumpers

It had been hoped that weddings at least would be given a special dispensation after 50,000 couples – many of whom will have cancelled or delayed earlier celebrations – booked ceremonies for the four weeks following what had been billed as "freedom day"

Not to mention all the proms and leavers parties for entire 6th forms who cancelled everything last year, and were hoping for some normality this year. I must admit this really pisses me off. They can go to school, share trains and coaches, go to work, go to the cinema, go to the theatre, go to Wimbledon or wherever, but not have a party with the same people they spend every day with, and have done for the last 3 months. It makes no sense.

Between the 6th form parties, and DH's planned work events, there will be several cancelled hotels, restaurants, entertainment. That's just us. I so feel for hospitality. The 50,000 weddings are just the tip of the iceberg.

@BigWoollyJumpers - I agree with you. Year 11 DD will be gutted about her prom. Also DH and DS were so looking forward to going to Silverstone for the Grand Prix (postponed from last year).

@herecomesthsun

well if the alternative were to not be in a pandemic we'd take that wouldn't we? It's the best of a bad lot. Not good for a lot of businesses any way you look at it. Would it were otherwise.

covid will not be eradicated variants will alway occur sadly some people will continue to die

we are one of the most vaccinated nations in the world - if we can't lift remaining restrictions now then i'm sure we ever will.

Where is the exit strategy? If vaccines don't work then what is the end game

They work fairly well for most people it would seem, but we need to get 2 doses into people and wait a bit.

Vaccines will take some of the load but the real cavalry when it comes will be therapeutics - like antibiotics made death by bacteria pretty much a thing of the past. Viruses are much trickier though as they hijack the cell rather than attack it.

I just can't help it could have been slowed down (delta spread) if they had moved schools back in line (secondary and above)
And had masks and other measures back.
What does gavin do all day?

We've got a raging new varient, it's sky high in schools, let's just watch it grow out of hand??

Well. The virus will continue to spread because apparently the main point of transmission is within households.

In four weeks it will only look worse. We will need more time.. they will find a reason.

I’m also done with compliance, I’ll use common sense instead, as the rules do t make sense at all.

@ICanSmellSummerComing

I just can't help it could have been slowed down (delta spread) if they had moved schools back in line (secondary and above) And had masks and other measures back. What does gavin do all day?

We've got a raging new varient, it's sky high in schools, let's just watch it grow out of hand??

No. The answer would have been not to import it from India in the first place.

Just re-upping the last Warwick modelling in advance of Monday's decision.

There's a big push to discredit SAGE modelling going on at the moment but I bet they're not highlighting this one.

Delta should be renamed the Johnson Variant.

Op here named changed and can't be bother to change back...
anyway.. feeling total apathy

The virus will continue to spread because apparently the main point of transmission is within households
So why did I ( like millions of us) bother to get both of my jabs then? Surely if my DS brings it home from school I'm not going to catch it. My DH has had one jab, so should be reasonably covered. So how can it spread so much with so many vaccinated, school would close the bubble.

Not to Daily fail ( so I won't link) .. but reports aren't looking good for 21st. We should always wait for Boris to actually confirm but I'm gutted. It says all but confirms 😬🤞

@roses2

By the time lockdown is lifted which is now July 19th apparently immunity from those who took the first round of vaccines in December would have worn off!

Where has this been reported?

No one knows for sure how long vaccine immunity lasts. They have best guesses based on those who had theirs first. Same as with the actual virus, I had covid in October. About 3 weeks ago I was tested and still have antibodies from the virus. On top of this I have also had two vaccines (the antibody doesn't test for the vaccine form.)

I couldn’t read the full article as I’m not a subscriber but am I to take it that BJ isn’t expected to announce larger numbers will be allowed for weddings? Only I thought I read somewhere the other day that they weddings would likely be allowed with larger numbers but places like nightclubs won’t be reopening?

@Fruityfriday

4 weeks could get a lot of the under 30's jabbed

Definitely.

We had a drop in for 18+ today in the city and thousands turned up. When I met Dd those in the queue all looked to be your typical student type age - 18-early 20s. Due to the demand many were moved to 2 or 3 other venues but many had to be turned away.
Dd arrived an hour before the doors opened to find 100s in the queue before her. 4 hours later and she has had her first dose.

It was amazing just how many young people were there, early in a Saturday morning, all keen to get a vaccination.

We have a new drop in vaccine centre for 18+ opening next week too to meet the demand.

@Lochelant

I couldn’t read the full article as I’m not a subscriber but am I to take it that BJ isn’t expected to announce larger numbers will be allowed for weddings? Only I thought I read somewhere the other day that they weddings would likely be allowed with larger numbers but places like nightclubs won’t be reopening?

No I can’t see it....weddings are super spreader events....lots of kissing and hugging

deaths ‘with covid mentioned on the death certificate’ - that’s very different.

You are right it is very different to what the dashboard says. You’ve either not read it or selectively misquoted.

Total number of deaths of people whose death certificate mentioned COVID-19 as one of the causes, by date of occurrence.

AS ONE OF THE CAUSES changes things. That will be things listed in part one of the death certificate has having been a direct cause of death. They collate that data from the ONS and the other relevant bodies across the U.K.
As I said, I just quoted the data. It’s not my interpretation of cause of death that’s wrong.

We locked down, we got vaccinated, we stopped seeing loved ones, we gave up so much! Just for the government to keep the borders open and let in the delta variant.

So what was the actual point?!