Do you think they will extend the lockdown or stick with 21st June As Freedom day?

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I hope they don't extend, because it moves the goalposts and then could lead to another extension. As it optional to go to certain places like clubs, when they open, then people vaccinated or not can make their choice.

I sadly think they will extend it and ruin my party planned for the end of June.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay - that’s odd, according to the ONS data from published on 13th May which covers the period 3rd January 2020 to week ending 23rd April 2021 the figures are:

Deaths involving COVID-19 (underlying or contributory cause) 137,680
Deaths due to COVID-19 (underlying cause) 123,239

According to the news it's being delayed to 19th July now (4 weeks) but if hospitalization don't rise it could be listed on 5th July (2 weeks)

I fear they are going to extend it. I don't think they should. The cases are being dealt with, hospitals are not under pressure.

2 weeks/4 weeks no one knows until the idiot in charge makes the announcement on Monday. I'm looking forward to how he is going to spin it and gaslight us all. Or will he tell the truth and admit that the main variant which would cause any delay is due in his clusterfuck.

[quote Inastatus]@RafaIsTheKingOfClay - that’s odd, according to the ONS data from published on 13th May which covers the period 3rd January 2020 to week ending 23rd April 2021 the figures are:

Deaths involving COVID-19 (underlying or contributory cause) 137,680
Deaths due to COVID-19 (underlying cause) 123,239[/quote]
That’s England only. The figure I gave was for U.K. and was from the dashboard which includes the ONS and equivalent bodies across the U.K.

a primary cause not the primary cause @LivinLaVidaLoki. Either way anything listed in part 1 and used for gathering statistics is very much dying from covid, not with Covid however much you Might like to deny it.

It was always going to happen because as things ease, so cases will go up.

Up go cases, as expected, Boris panics and locks down again.

It's a positive feedback control loop.

@Arrowheart

2 weeks/4 weeks no one knows until the idiot in charge makes the announcement on Monday. I'm looking forward to how he is going to spin it and gaslight us all. Or will he tell the truth and admit that the main variant which would cause any delay is due in his clusterfuck.

On past form, we may have a reopening on June 21st followed by a backtrack on June 22nd. I don't think we can second guess him, that would imply logical decision making, it's too random.

Mind you, there has been more evidence of listening to Chris Whitty this year, fingers crossed.

@AlecTrevelyan006

It was always going to happen because as things ease, so cases will go up.

Up go cases, as expected, Boris panics and locks down again.

It's a positive feedback control loop.

So you agree with me that low-level restrictions should be introduced to prevent cases from going up even further.

Good.

no - because at some point we will have to go through an exit wave

and seeing as though the overwhelming vast majority of vulnerable people have been vaccinated we should get rid of all remaining restrictions.

Do you even know what an exit wave is?

The media and the comments appear to be gearing us up for a delay to 21 June, which was never Freedom Day anyway and was only ever 'not before' in terms of more restrictions being lifted.

A 4 week delay brings it to start of English school holidays.

They won't/can't mention schools in any of their reasons because the 'schools are safe' rhetoric has been there throughout. Though the first easing this time round was linked to school holidays and I think this one may be too in the end.

Whilst I don't want to go in like this indefinitely I do think there will be a delay. In many ways I'd rather the 4 weeks from the start, rather than told 2 and then told another 2.

My city is doing vaccine drives for all 18+ with pop up no appointment needed sessions happening every so often in different parts of the city. I think they're trying to get as many adults jabbed as they can quickly. Demand seems to be fairly high when I have talked to Dd and her friends - they all see the vaccine as a way to be able to restart clubs, festivals, holidays, etc.

Can’t anyone see what they have been doing here?
They’ve been stringing along the idea of delaying or maybe not delaying for weeks, to the point where most of us are fed up of hearing about it and just want a decision. Meanwhile, more and more data has been fed in, with eye catching headlines about 90% increases in the Delta variant so that more and more people start to feel like they want to err on the side of caution and then accept it when they finally get round to what has always been planned - yet another continuation of restrictions.
It’s all been a calculated path to acceptance and I so wish more people could see it so that when they make their inevitable announcement, there would be more protesting than they anticipate.

Just another 2-4 more weeks hey? what’s this one for? Where’s the carrot? To save summer holidays? What an utter load of bollocks

See you on the next thread titled “should we open up on 5th/19th July?”

@Lostinacloud I totally agree with every word you have said .. why are people so blind to this!

I agree they want schools off before opening. Very clear

I'm going to be watching the print media tomorrow as their consensus will be the announcement.

I am very sick of announcement-by-leak and wish they'd just make the famed announcement straight to us the public, or to MPs first then the publis. And leave off the media until we the stakeholders, and/or our representatives in Parliament, have been done.

Delay in England/Wales until start of school holidays seems quite likely.

@Lostinacloud

Spot on. Tried & trusted drip feed to the media, prepping the populace.

As for variants, I thought we were told at the outset that Coronaviruses didn’t evolve quickly?

Well this one seems to be doing ok.

Also, still waiting for conclusive proof that vaccinated immunity provides ‘superior protection’ to infection acquired immunity.

I say this as someone who caught Covid early on, had AZ jab in Feb as per these very dubious proclamations & still have localised head pain as a result, currently under investigation.

Believe everything these bullsh1tters say at yiur peril.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

How can they ‘stick’ with a date they never set. I realise some of the media weren’t very careful about the reporting, but the road map announcement was quite clear that there were no specific dates set for any of the stages.

Boris has got a lot wrong, but I’m not sure the government can be completely blamed for a collective lack of comprehension by the English public.

I agree with this, they made it very clear.

The media have to take some of the blame in stirring things up. The median have been irresponsible throughout the pandemic .

By the time lockdown is lifted which is now July 19th apparently immunity from those who took the first round of vaccines in December would have worn off!

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay - I’ve just checked the ONS stats again and the figure quoted is for England and Wales. I also checked ONS equivalents for Scotland and NI and the figures are all lower for Covid being primary cause of death.

@UnmentionedElephantDildo

I'm going to be watching the print media tomorrow as their consensus will be the announcement.

I am very sick of announcement-by-leak and wish they'd just make the famed announcement straight to us the public, or to MPs first then the publis. And leave off the media until we the stakeholders, and/or our representatives in Parliament, have been done.

Delay in England/Wales until start of school holidays seems quite likely.

They won't announce it because G7 is happening at the moment. Boris will have his jolly let everyone there think it's fine then once they have gone announce it.

Once again it's delaying for the convenience of Boris

Lost in a cloud. You’ve nailed that.

I don't think anyone's blind, and I agree that the 'softening up and announcement by leak' is cowardly and annoying, but that doesn't mean that delaying the easing of restrictions is the wrong thing to do.

Roses2 where do you have that information from? I was under the impression that we know immunity lasts at least as long as we have had the vaccine for but as it is new we cannot be sure how long, but that it is likely to last much longer?

@Lostinacloud

Can’t anyone see what they have been doing here? They’ve been stringing along the idea of delaying or maybe not delaying for weeks, to the point where most of us are fed up of hearing about it and just want a decision. Meanwhile, more and more data has been fed in, with eye catching headlines about 90% increases in the Delta variant so that more and more people start to feel like they want to err on the side of caution and then accept it when they finally get round to what has always been planned - yet another continuation of restrictions. It’s all been a calculated path to acceptance and I so wish more people could see it so that when they make their inevitable announcement, there would be more protesting than they anticipate.

Just another 2-4 more weeks hey? what’s this one for? Where’s the carrot? To save summer holidays? What an utter load of bollocks

See you on the next thread titled “should we open up on 5th/19th July?”

Of course it’s an established path to acceptance. If they had any balls they’d have just announced it needed to be delayed weeks ago when it became obvious it’s needed.

They’re stringing it along to try and get the people who don’t think it’s either inevitable or necessary on side. Which probably won’t happen.

The only reason it might not happen is because this government might be as dumb as they appear to be and decide to plough ahead anyway.

[quote Inastatus]@RafaIsTheKingOfClay - I’ve just checked the ONS stats again and the figure quoted is for England and Wales. I also checked ONS equivalents for Scotland and NI and the figures are all lower for Covid being primary cause of death.[/quote]
Take it up with whoever puts the stats on the government’s daily dashboard then. I just quoted their figures and the sources they’ve claimed.