I can’t bear the thought of another full lockdown but it seems inevitable

[cantfaceitalloveragain]

I’ve only just this week been allowed to see sister without social distancing, as she lives in residential care, had a lovely meal and a big hug but at the end all I could think was, will it be another year before we can meet again? She’s been hugely, horribly affected by this virus - she’s dreadfully ill through anxiety - and has been only just told this week she can see two relatives and one friend, and she might be allowed back to day care services the end of this month - first time since Feb 2020 .

I can’t bear the thought of another year indoors, no haircuts, no socialising, no shopping, no travel, no seeing sister or friends or family ...

I live in a tiny village with shit public transport that was largely stoped over both lockdowns ... can’t bear another year in this three mile square and relying on online delivery and zoom ... GP rang this morning and even yapping to her I thought, how lovely it would be to see someone else face to face - most friends and family are still heavily avoiding all socialising, this is my experience of most people now that there’s a lot of fear and anxiety around covid .

I realise restrictions are necessary and probably inevitable, and things could be so so much worse - but I’m struggling so much now . Finding I’m dreading getting out of bed as I keep thinking, what’s coming next?

There are other things that matter as well as Covid

I'd quite like my mum to have her operation before she loses her sight.
I'd like my stepdad to get his knee replacements before he completely loses his mobility
I'd quite like my friends husband to get his cancer treatment before it's too late
I'd like to get the scans I was due (missed 3 )because I may be harbouring something nasty which has more chance of killing me than Covid
I'd quite like the nations children to have some semblance of normal education

@NannyAndJohn

You're happy with hundreds of thousands of cases a day, *@Bluntness100*?

As long as people aren’t in hospital yes . That’s what counts the vaccine is already proving to be effective as it’s reducing people become seriously ill . We don’t lockdown to stop Covid it’s impossible to do so .

@NannyAndJohn

You're happy with hundreds of thousands of cases a day, *@Bluntness100*?

Not happy, that would be sick wouldn’t it? But comfortable if the cases don’t translate to hospitalisations, serious illness or death. And so far that seems to be the case.

@Turquoisesol

But what if hospital admissions start to go up? Learning to live with the virus would have to then mean a much higher capacity or flexibility within the nhs to cope with surges of Covid cases ? Which we don’t currently have

But they are not. They are declining week on week. As are deaths.

[quote bbbbbbbbb]**@CovidCorvid* you've misunderstood, good old @NannyAndJohn* is desperate for a catastrophe. She / He is on every covid thread going declaring it.[/quote]
Quite the opposite in fact.

It's the "open up on 21st June", "let it rip" lot that are desperate for a catastrophe.

I've been advocating for low-level restrictions that would hopefully see us get through the summer relatively unscathed.

But the government don't give a fuck and because of that we'll be back in lockdown very quickly.

Ted27 those things are more likely to go ahead if the rate of Covid is kept in check with tighter restrictions at an early stage when cases start to increase

@SonnetForSpring

It's not sarcastic. So many on MN don't seen to live and the real world and have a scooby what is happening. The third wave has started and the gov are doing nothing. By the time they do something, it will probably require a lock down.

You and nanny John keep harping on about this but never have a decent response when people point out that it is only hospitalizations and deaths that matter right now.. both of which are still declining... Will they increase enough to cause concern... possibly. But until that point just shut up.

But the government don't give a fuck and because of that we'll be back in lockdown very quickly

Ok so your comments are political?

If you suspect a poster of sock puppetry report.

Otherwise it just looks like you don't have a coherent argument but wish to diminish theirs. (I don't agree with them but I do listen).

And for those complaining about certain posters regularly being on the CV board - you seem to linger on them pretty frequently. It cuts both ways.

@SonnetForSpring

"Bring it on"? I'm assuming you haven't seen someone suffering from covid and struggling for every breath.

No, but I have sat with 2 parents as they died of cancer, agitated and afraid, turning them and applying lotion to pressure points, watching them waste away as their bodies shut down, holding their hands as struggled for every breath knowing each could be their last.

Covid is absolutely not the only horrible death out there and it needs to stop being peddled as such.

@Chatterbox1987 When cases started to rise exponentially in September hospitalisations and deaths were still at an all time low.

And we all know what happened next.

[quote NannyAndJohn]@Chatterbox1987 When cases started to rise exponentially in September hospitalisations and deaths were still at an all time low.

And we all know what happened next.[/quote]
Yes. But in September half the population were not vaccinated. The half that risk getting very ill from it.

[quote NannyAndJohn]@Chatterbox1987 When cases started to rise exponentially in September hospitalisations and deaths were still at an all time low.

And we all know what happened next.[/quote]
Why don’t you factor in vaccination to the we all know what happened next line?

[quote NannyAndJohn]@Chatterbox1987 When cases started to rise exponentially in September hospitalisations and deaths were still at an all time low.

And we all know what happened next.[/quote]
Yes but we didn't have a vaccine then!

@NannyAndJohn

Yep, it's coming.

Cases doubling every four days means we'll hit 100,000 a day by the 21st June.

Best we all accept that we'll be spending the rest of the year in lockdown instead of sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that everything's okay.

But cases don't matter, hospitalisation and death rates do. So as long as those stay low I don't see a problem.

Why don’t you factor in vaccination to the we all know what happened next line?

Becayse it ruins their narrative. 😂

@NannyAndJohn

Yep, it's coming.

Cases doubling every four days means we'll hit 100,000 a day by the 21st June.

Best we all accept that we'll be spending the rest of the year in lockdown instead of sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that everything's okay.

Lol ok. So despite the vaccination programme and the various restrictions still in place we are going to hit case numbers higher than we had at the second wave peak (approx 70k) in about 2 weeks?

@Bluntness100

But the government don't give a fuck and because of that we'll be back in lockdown very quickly

Ok so your comments are political?

The entire pandemic is a political issue.

If we had elected a sensible govenment who had take a Zero Covid approach from the beginning we'd have been free of restrictions months ago (hello New Zealand!).

But Johnson wanted to let it rip. And look where that got us.

I don't think we will have a full lockdown again, but I do think the planned loosening of restrictions will be postponed until the end of summer.

I hope I am not wrong, it has been lovely to get out and about, but I will abide by the rules.

Other than having people over against the rules (if you can find like minded friends and family) there isn't much point in posters saying they "won't be adhering to it." If restaurants etc are shut, what will you do about it?

If we had elected a sensible govenment who had take a Zero Covid approach from the beginning we'd have been free of restrictions months ago (hello New Zealand!).

Read the SAGE minutes early Feb last year

@Turquoisesol

The point several people are making is that the case rate is not the issue now, its hospitalizations and deaths, both of which are in decline

The vaccination effect is countered by the increased transmissibility of Delta.

I have read that the Delta variant means you are more than twice as likely to be hospitalised with this variant. And that the Pfizer vaccine is not so effective on this variant.

Here is rhe stats for anyone interested, deaths down 5% and hospitalisations down 2 percent week on week.