I can’t bear the thought of another full lockdown but it seems inevitable

[cantfaceitalloveragain]

I’ve only just this week been allowed to see sister without social distancing, as she lives in residential care, had a lovely meal and a big hug but at the end all I could think was, will it be another year before we can meet again? She’s been hugely, horribly affected by this virus - she’s dreadfully ill through anxiety - and has been only just told this week she can see two relatives and one friend, and she might be allowed back to day care services the end of this month - first time since Feb 2020 .

I can’t bear the thought of another year indoors, no haircuts, no socialising, no shopping, no travel, no seeing sister or friends or family ...

I live in a tiny village with shit public transport that was largely stoped over both lockdowns ... can’t bear another year in this three mile square and relying on online delivery and zoom ... GP rang this morning and even yapping to her I thought, how lovely it would be to see someone else face to face - most friends and family are still heavily avoiding all socialising, this is my experience of most people now that there’s a lot of fear and anxiety around covid .

I realise restrictions are necessary and probably inevitable, and things could be so so much worse - but I’m struggling so much now . Finding I’m dreading getting out of bed as I keep thinking, what’s coming next?

I thought lockdown was to protect the NHS and vaccinations were to protect the vulnerable, are you saying we'll be locked down until each and every last one of us is fully vaccinated as that is locking down to protect the healthy.

This is fucking madness. We live in the real world, life is not risk free.

The virus & variants are not going away, we have to start living with them.

I feel like some people wish to live in a cocooned nanny state and I for one do fucking not. I'm intelligent enough to judge risks and make decisions for myself.

Well, let's hope the PM opens up on June 21st then, and we all get a good look at what "living with the virus" looks like.

Well we'll have to get a good look one day as we can't live like this forever, despite what some people think.

@sociallydistained

The talk of more lockdowns really pissed me off. We can’t enjoy what little freedom we have because people are always fear-mongering

That's how I feel. I am so enjoying the current freedom we have. Why angst about something that we can't control and which may never happen?

I don't think it's inevitable at all OP. Like others have said, the important number is how many hospital admissions there are. It's all about making sure the NHS doesn't become overwhelmed, it's not about numbers of cases or even about saving lives as such.

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

I won't be going into lockdown

So what will you being doing then @inmyslippers ?

Going about business as usual and spreading the virus? It's selfish people like you that are keeping the possibility of another lockdown real.

I will, yep. I'm having my vaccines, I'm not doing anything more now regarding social distancing.

@Bluntness100 I am talking about what preliminary research has said.
Official data says 278 people with the Delta variant went to hospital in an emergency this week. Last week, that number was 201. Most of these patients have not been vaccinated, according to PHE.
The UK health body, which tracks variants, says early evidence suggests there may be an "increased risk of hospitalisation" with the Delta strain compared to the Alpha, although more data is needed to reinforce this view.
The Delta variant - or the B.1.617.2 strain - is 50 per cent "more infectious" than the Alpha variant, says the study by scientists of the Indian SARS COV2 Genomic Consortia and the National Centre for Disease Control.

www.ndtv.com/world-news/coronavirus-delta-variant-dominates-in-uk-causes-more-hospitalisation-10-facts-2456126

@ApolloandDaphne

I am choosing to believe that vaccinations will mean the NHS won't be overstretched and the death toll will be much lower. I am of the opinion we need to learn to live with the virus and not shut everything down the moment cases start to rise.

This

COVID will always be about like flu is

With so many diff strains always going to be one about

As long as less due and nhs isn’t full /overworked the will have to carry on

Extremely rare now to die /need nhs care if had vaccine and get COVID

Don’t really mind tbh. If there’s another lockdown then I’ll lock down and get on with it.

and not shut everything down the moment cases start to rise. - sadly govt adopted your policy which failed.

@DirtyDancing

The government are doing a great statistics job on people. Thank goodness to those who understand the trust. *50.9% of the UK adult population have had BOTH doses. Only half. *source BBC news, 6pm

Of course we could see much higher hospitalisation rates. The new variant is much, much more transmittable- 50% of the population who are not double vaccinated. Because we haven’t controlled, tested and isolated properly the new variant is beginning to decrease the efficacy of the vaccine.

Yes but within those 50% full vaccinated are the cohorts of people that led to 99% of deaths since covid started... how can you not get that?

[quote shakingstevensfan]@Bluntness100 everything I have read says that those being hospitalised are younger than in the previous waves. They do seem less likely to die, but if numbers are too high then not everyone will be able to get hospital treatment.
My personal view is the jury is still out on what will happen. Cases are going to continue rising, but enough to justify a lockdown? I have no idea.[/quote]
Which again points to vaccines working so it's still an out-and-out race to get as many jabbed as possible. Where I live they've started to turn around 2nd vaccines in 8 weeks.

On a full lockdown, it's hard to avoid politics. I genuinely don't think there'll ever be a full lockdown (tiers maybe) as it's something that BJ knows would cost him his job.

@NannyAndJohn

Yep, it's coming.

Cases doubling every four days means we'll hit 100,000 a day by the 21st June.

Best we all accept that we'll be spending the rest of the year in lockdown instead of sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that everything's okay.

This

I won’t be adhering to any future lockdowns. Have had enough of being told what I can do now.

"And we need more than 85% of adults and children vaccinated if we want to get out of this mess. Fewer than 40% so far."

At the beginning, we kept hearing 70% for herd immunity. Why is it 85 no?

*now

@FreezeMotherHubbard yes it is clear vaccines are working, although Pfizer does not work as well against the Delta variant.
But 40% of all adults and children is not enough. The surge vaccination in places with high cases seems to have helped them dampen down the virus. But some places like London have a lower rate of vaccination.

I think not fully opening up on the 21st of June is sensible while they get more people vaccinated.

Best we all accept that we'll be spending the rest of the year in lockdown instead of sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that everything's okay

I won't be spending the rest of the year in lockdown. All the venerable people in my family have had their vaccinations. We already lost a year. won't be happening again, life really is too short for some of my family.

Boris has fucked it for everyone with his inaction over India. Instead of being at the finish line for June 21st it's a case of unlock everything in 2 weeks then pay for it down the line.

@Ilikecheeseontoast

I won’t be adhering to any future lockdowns. Have had enough of being told what I can do now.

It's not really a choice is it? I'm not allowed to go to wok. If I go anyway, I'll face a disciplinary. If I don't wear my mask (including outside where I live) I'll get a fine. If I have a massive party, neighbours could snitch on me and I could get a massive fine or arrested.

@shakingstevensfan

I agree

I think not fully opening up on the 21st of June is sensible while they get more people vaccinated.

is sensible and well measured. All of this talks of back to full lockdown is not

@PrincessNutNuts We need to put energy into vaccines rather than relying on lockdowns. Covid is here to stay, we will not get 'zero covid', just like many other nasty diseases. I have never said let's 'open up' on June 21st.

People have to remember, on average 30000 people die from flu annually in the Uk. Approx 82 every single day. No one suggest a lock down to prevent that,

Right now we are averaging about ten people a day dying from Covid. And some folks are running round their rooms screaming another lock down is coming.

For people that want a more NZ approach. By the time a pandemic was declared it was already too late for the uk. While the NZ government have taken more decisive action (and the uk gov have made plenty of mistakes or slow decisions) part of the reason NZ have a zero covid strategyy is luck.

There were cases of covid in the uk early in 2020 that werent identified as covid til months later - it was already here and circulating well before March, and well before NZ closed their borders.

@sociallydistained

The talk of more lockdowns really pissed me off. We can’t enjoy what little freedom we have because people are always fear-mongering

Yes this they bloody well love it getting a thrill that the rates are going up . In my opinion you have serious anxiety you need to address or you need to get a life .

@sociallydistained and @Crowtooyo what's fear mongering or scaremongering about remembering what has happened before.

A lockdown is inevitable because the government haven't done what's needed to prevent lockdowns.

So just like in March 2020, November 2020, and January 2021, when they've let things get bad enough again they'll call a lockdown.

It's just a case of when, and how bad.