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Delta variant spreading in schools

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noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:38

Not posted one of these threads in a while but the data is starting to get interesting again.

The ONS infection survey data from yesterday shows an alarming increase in infection rates in secondary kids. The PHE survey also shows a jump in outbreaks in schools.

However the infection rates by area show that this is much more of a problem in the North West than e.g. the South West. That suggests that in certain areas, the situation is really bad and in others there's not (yet) a problem. This would suggest a localised approach (the govt are really keen not to talk about tiers).

What is obvious is that there are local variant hotspots, and in those hotspots, covid is running through schools, secondary in particular.

What to do? Stopping the spread of the variant out from those areas should be a high priority. Surge vaccination of adults won't be enough if it is spreading mostly in children. It's evident that the measures taken to stop the spread in schools from Sept-Dec were inadequate (isolation of close contacts only) so it seems clear that in those areas, far more robust tackling of cases in schools is needed -PCR testing not LFT, sending home whole year groups, proactively closing schools instead of as last resort. Schools in those areas already seem to have kept masks. We need to be hearing far more of what they are doing about schools in the news and what to expect.

There are those who would argue that the Delta variant should simply be allowed to spread now, however we know that one vaccination doesn't confer much immunity to it and it would be more prudent to wait until a much bigger proportion of the population are double-vaccinated and more fully protected.

There is also the question of allowing covid to spread through schools and the disruption to education that this would cause. The government announced yesterday that they are only willing to fund a pitiful amount of catch-up support and given that the schools affected are currently restricted to certain areas (and ones that were badly affected last year too), parents and pupils in those areas should not be expected to experience severe disruption caused by unmitigated covid spread if it can be dealt with more effectively. It would seem fair for more covid catch-up funding to be directed to those areas hardest hit but I haven't seen that proposed.

A few positive things: We've just had half term and that usually reduces infection rates in school children. Y11 and Y13 have now left, so secondary schools will have a reduced number of pupils. It's also less than 2 months to the summer holidays.

The Pfizer vaccine has just been approved in the UK for ages 12+. Vaccinating secondary children in those hotspots as a priority could be an option. Priority vaccinations for school staff there should be a no-brainer, I assume that has happened.

Unfortunately the government is currently suppressing data on the number of cases of the Delta variant in schools and there is a legal challenge to get this published. Why they are doing this is unclear. I do hope it's not because they want to pretend that schools aren't an issue until it's too late like they did before, but I don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

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Delta variant spreading in schools
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noblegiraffe · 08/06/2021 14:20

I think the US is having to go for an incentives approach to get people to be vaccinated. I was listening to the news the other day about how they are having vaccine lotteries (everyone is automatically entered and can win money but you can only claim the prize if you had already been vaccinated when they phone to tell you you’ve won). They also have the incentive of vaccinated people not having to wear masks.

We are taking a different approach here, not least because not everyone has been offered the vaccine and it wouldn’t be fair.

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ZZTopGuitarSolo · 08/06/2021 15:05

Yes, lotteries in some states - not in mine. Here you get a hunting permit for the year Grin

PrincessNutNuts · 08/06/2021 15:26

I just had a look at the Sanger map - because that's the kind of thing I do for fun on my lunch break nowadays - and you can definitely see Delta spreading outwards from the hotspots explaining why more councils in Lancashire are getting surge testing and vaxxing. (In reverse order)

Delta variant spreading in schools
Delta variant spreading in schools
Delta variant spreading in schools
Waxonwaxoff0 · 08/06/2021 15:59

@noblegiraffe

I think the US is having to go for an incentives approach to get people to be vaccinated. I was listening to the news the other day about how they are having vaccine lotteries (everyone is automatically entered and can win money but you can only claim the prize if you had already been vaccinated when they phone to tell you you’ve won). They also have the incentive of vaccinated people not having to wear masks.

We are taking a different approach here, not least because not everyone has been offered the vaccine and it wouldn’t be fair.

I read a news article today saying that one state (Washington I think) was offering free weed to people who get vaccinated Grin
itsgettingwierd · 08/06/2021 16:15

They added supervised testing in schools around the greater Manchester and Lancashire areas to try and halt and reverse the high case numbers.

It's nice to see them finally thinking about things they can do in schools and taking some action where needed.

AllDoneIn · 08/06/2021 18:41

@noblegiraffe I just want to say I really admire your persistence in raising the profile of this issue, often in the face of complete and utter stupidity Flowers. I've left teaching now but I really hope that this utterly stupid Government will eventually learn from their mistakes and stop punching themselves and the rest of us in the face. We can but dream.

neveradullmoment99 · 08/06/2021 19:15

@RedcurrantPuff

Masks are still in place in Scottish schools - secondary anyway.

I’m happy for my kids to be vaccinated but I want it to come with no more obligation to isolate as contacts. There needs to be an actual tangible benefit for them to be vaccinated against a disease that poses them low risk and where all adults have been offered the vaccine.

Rise in adolescent hospitalisation.
neveradullmoment99 · 08/06/2021 19:16

It is in America though.

noblegiraffe · 08/06/2021 19:18

Thanks, AllDoneIn!

Almost a third of secondary children in Bolton not in school this week due to covid schoolsweek.co.uk/covid-19-almost-1-in-3-bolton-secondary-pupils-absent-as-delta-variant-surges/

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Watapalava · 08/06/2021 20:15

God give it a rest Noble

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 08/06/2021 20:37

Please do NOT give it a rest. I forbid it!

A third? Bloody hell.

colouringindoors · 08/06/2021 20:40

50 out of my Bucks school today, rising ever couple of days.

Regulus · 08/06/2021 20:42

@Watapalava

God give it a rest Noble
How can you not see that this is damaging compared to my pupils that are in school
TheHoneyBadger · 08/06/2021 20:46

1 in 3? Blimey. That's pretty serious.

I hope they got all of their assessing and evidence gathering done before that kicked off at least.

CallmeHendricks · 08/06/2021 20:49

@Watapalava

God give it a rest Noble
Why? Why would you want to suppress news of this nature, when it is important for school leaders to know?
cantkeepawayforever · 08/06/2021 20:51

Why? Why would you want to suppress news of this nature, when it is important for school leaders to know?

And for the general public to know, too, since it is barely reported in the mainstream media, meaning that many people think it isn't a problem, or Covid has gone away because it isn't in their school yet.

Very low incidence here, but if more positive PCRs follow positive LFTs from today, we'll be 2 classes down tomorrow.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 08/06/2021 20:55

@Watapalava

God give it a rest Noble
Did you stamp your feet while you typed that? Grin
CallmeHendricks · 08/06/2021 20:56

"Did you stamp your feet while you typed that?"

Whilst sticking her fingers in her ears, singing "lalalalala."

FrippEnos · 08/06/2021 20:58

@Watapalava

God give it a rest Noble
The ultimate in trying to shutdown a thread.
CallmeHendricks · 08/06/2021 21:00

Well, I suppose it makes for uncomfortable reading for anyone who's determined to pretend it's all over.
I SO wish it were, really I do. But the numbers are going crazy, so we should remain cautious for a little while longer. We've come so far, it would be silly to blow it now.

itsgettingwierd · 08/06/2021 21:02

@Watapalava

God give it a rest Noble
Why?

Does it worry you or rather not worry you that 1/3 of children are missing f2f education?

That's a large number when you consider the average secondary school is over 1000 pupils.

And they've said to remove masks.

Those poor children.

itsgettingwierd · 08/06/2021 21:04

And no - they are unlikely to be seriously ill or die. We get that.

But they are missing another week of education. That does matter.

PracticingPerson · 08/06/2021 21:06

I just love that taking your kids out of school for a family holiday destroys their education, but being sent home to isolate repeatedly doesn't matter at all...

cantkeepawayforever · 08/06/2021 21:06

I think the worst thing is that many of that 1/3 will miss several weeks this half term, or in fact only have a couple of days in school this half term between repeated isolations.

Watapalava · 08/06/2021 21:07

I agree isolations are bad which is why kids who shouldn't have to isolate at all

No idea the obsession with knowing about whats going on in other schools - why do you need go know whats going on in the school down the road? Literally people are planning summer holidays and theme parks -and people on here flapping like headless chickens because under 1000 people out of 67 MILLION are in hospital

bolton is already under control

Its honestly insane

fyi bolton schools are wearing masks - they never stopped - same as here in lancashire