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Delta variant spreading in schools

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noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:38

Not posted one of these threads in a while but the data is starting to get interesting again.

The ONS infection survey data from yesterday shows an alarming increase in infection rates in secondary kids. The PHE survey also shows a jump in outbreaks in schools.

However the infection rates by area show that this is much more of a problem in the North West than e.g. the South West. That suggests that in certain areas, the situation is really bad and in others there's not (yet) a problem. This would suggest a localised approach (the govt are really keen not to talk about tiers).

What is obvious is that there are local variant hotspots, and in those hotspots, covid is running through schools, secondary in particular.

What to do? Stopping the spread of the variant out from those areas should be a high priority. Surge vaccination of adults won't be enough if it is spreading mostly in children. It's evident that the measures taken to stop the spread in schools from Sept-Dec were inadequate (isolation of close contacts only) so it seems clear that in those areas, far more robust tackling of cases in schools is needed -PCR testing not LFT, sending home whole year groups, proactively closing schools instead of as last resort. Schools in those areas already seem to have kept masks. We need to be hearing far more of what they are doing about schools in the news and what to expect.

There are those who would argue that the Delta variant should simply be allowed to spread now, however we know that one vaccination doesn't confer much immunity to it and it would be more prudent to wait until a much bigger proportion of the population are double-vaccinated and more fully protected.

There is also the question of allowing covid to spread through schools and the disruption to education that this would cause. The government announced yesterday that they are only willing to fund a pitiful amount of catch-up support and given that the schools affected are currently restricted to certain areas (and ones that were badly affected last year too), parents and pupils in those areas should not be expected to experience severe disruption caused by unmitigated covid spread if it can be dealt with more effectively. It would seem fair for more covid catch-up funding to be directed to those areas hardest hit but I haven't seen that proposed.

A few positive things: We've just had half term and that usually reduces infection rates in school children. Y11 and Y13 have now left, so secondary schools will have a reduced number of pupils. It's also less than 2 months to the summer holidays.

The Pfizer vaccine has just been approved in the UK for ages 12+. Vaccinating secondary children in those hotspots as a priority could be an option. Priority vaccinations for school staff there should be a no-brainer, I assume that has happened.

Unfortunately the government is currently suppressing data on the number of cases of the Delta variant in schools and there is a legal challenge to get this published. Why they are doing this is unclear. I do hope it's not because they want to pretend that schools aren't an issue until it's too late like they did before, but I don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

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borntobequiet · 07/06/2021 21:13

@Watapalava

Noble

You cannot be serious? I’ve read the vast majority of your threads and you call for school to shut all the time

I can’t belive you deny it with straight face

Using the alternative meaning of to read, that is, to glance at and imagine what the text might be saying.
noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 21:13

We have 3 weeks left of term

Bristol only has 3 weeks left of term?!

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ZZTopGuitarSolo · 07/06/2021 21:13

@Reachersloveinterest

But if the U.K. government won't pay for these measures, and the schools can't afford them on existing budgets, what else can be done?
Hmm perhaps channel Them4Us? Their tactics seemed to be quite effective (in the opposite direction).

Legal processes maybe?

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 07/06/2021 21:14

LOL oh dear, Us4Them not Them4Us.

Although it's hard to know who they are really 'for'.

itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 21:18

@ZZTopGuitarSolo

LOL oh dear, Us4Them not Them4Us.

Although it's hard to know who they are really 'for'.

🤣🤣🤣

Freudian slip at its best!

Although Us4Us is probably closer.

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 21:22

I wish I could trust the DFE to really have families and teachers best interests at heart.

I think it's pretty clear that they despise teachers and don't give a shit about kids.

I might have even written a thread about it...www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4260657-This-government-still-doesnt-give-a-shit-about-schools-or-your-kids

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noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 21:22

I liked the Us4Covid theory.

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borntobequiet · 07/06/2021 21:24

@ZZTopGuitarSolo

We also vaccinated teachers early so that if they were exposed to Covid they did not have to quarantine. All about minimising disruption in schools.
It’s a no-brainer, isn’t it? Yet never occurred to the intellectual giants in our Government.
FrippEnos · 07/06/2021 21:27

Scrambledcustard

Your posting some serious BS and complaining when you are pulled up on it.

Scrambledcustard · 07/06/2021 21:29

@FrippEnos

Scrambledcustard

Your posting some serious BS and complaining when you are pulled up on it.

What BS?

And being pulled up? You mean being told I'm hard of learning and hearing voices in my head because I don't agree?

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 21:31

hearing voices in my head

Yes, the imaginary person who wants schools closed and further lockdowns and whatever, that you keep replying to on this thread who doesn't exist

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SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 07/06/2021 21:37

Much like the people who think me talking about ds is because I enjoy “scaring” grown adults, and not because someone has said “children don’t get covid”/“long covid doesn’t exist” and I have knowledge that says otherwise, which is relevant to the need for mitigations in schools. On a thread about needing motivations in schools. Oh, silly silly me and my naughty scaremongering ways.

SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 07/06/2021 21:39

*needing mitigations in schools, not motivations. That’s a different problem!

BlackeyedSusan · 07/06/2021 21:46

@colouringindoors

watch out Birmingham 😅
You beat me to it...

And Bedworth and Blackpool and Bournemouth and Bodmin...

Scrambledcustard · 07/06/2021 21:51

@noblegiraffe

hearing voices in my head

Yes, the imaginary person who wants schools closed and further lockdowns and whatever, that you keep replying to on this thread who doesn't exist

I'm just replying to what you write Noble no need to get personal.

It ironic you started a post ( the one you linked above) claiming you were being attacked yet you're not behind on dishing insults out yourself are you?

There is only one opinion allowed on these threads - Yours and the posters that follow you.

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 21:56

I'm just replying to what you write Noble

You really aren’t.

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itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 21:58

Scrambled absolutely you are entitled to an opinion. I'd love to hear it based on links and graphs and facts. An opinion on what you think should happen in schools with regards the latest data and Matt Hancock announcing kids education is being disrupted due to multiple isolations. It's causing inequality between low case and high rate areas. Kids are catching long covid and it's a concern. And kids transmit covid just like adults at secondary age.

But telling an OP over and over again what you've decided they want isn't joining in debate. It isn't offering an opinion. It isn't offering other facts and an explanation for them.

It's usually (and I can see why you've done it as it works!) a way posters get the thread to be all around them because us saps can't help keep replying 🤦‍♀️🤣

So what do you think we should do in schools for the best 7 weeks to help contain this (what Matt Hancock has confirmed is happening) to limit isolations and disruption to education as we finish rolling out the vaccine programme to adults before moving to the teens?

User135644 · 07/06/2021 22:01

@noblegiraffe

Well, yeah, born, especially as Labour have been shit on covid. Keir said 'schools open no ifs no buts' so he could hardly argue effectively against the Tories when they were opened no ifs or buts and became riddled with covid.
There was better ways to make schools safer though.

They should have had masks from September for one.

itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 22:08

And not remove them as they announce cases are high, kids transmit it at a rate the same as adults at least, kids catch long COVID and their education is being disrupted.

Oh and they want to vaccinate teens.

We've kept masks in public due to vaccine programme still being rolled out and areas of high cases.

I still haven't fathomed what's so special about schools walls covid doesn't penetrate it and the same mitigation's aren't needed!

saraclara · 07/06/2021 22:33

My neighbouring small town had 16 cases in the week prior to the half-term holiday. All 16 were teenagers at the local secondary school.

I hoped that the week off would have helped create a break in transmission, but I suspect that a week's not enough.

TheHoneyBadger · 07/06/2021 22:42

Ok I think posters, whose posts are full of typos, spelling mistakes and weird syntax, telling other posters that they should proof read their posts before posting says a lot really. On a par with posters aggressively abusing an individual and calling anyone who has similar views 'followers' playing the victim.

We are far too polite and far too entrenched in our role of 'educating' I suspect. It means we spend far too much time responding to repetitive nonsense.

Once more - no one is saying they want school's closed. I think every teacher on here has said they'd prefer open schools to remote learning and their lives are easier this way plus we have far too much to do to work from home. We're actually trying to educate youngsters throughout this, catch them up, rebuild their confidence and behaviour for learning, etc and have a LOT invested in keeping schools open.

Ergo yes we talk about safety measures and how best to make sure schools can safely function BECAUSE we want them to stay open.

It's total gaslighting isn't it? Imagine saying to your partner hey I wish you would remember to lock the door when you come in late at night and him saying, 'oh so you want me to leave then'. Or please could you make sure you hold the kids hands on that busy stretch of road and him responding, 'oh right you don't want me to ever take the kids out'.

Daft example but I'm hoping maybe that people just don't 'get' what they're doing. I think that may be giving too much credit though. They must know what they're doing.

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 22:46

Funny thing, when I linked to my 'the government doesn't give a shit about kids or schools' thread on this thread, it seems a handful of posters toddled over there and voted that the government is just brilliant for only giving schools a tenth of the funding they need to help children recover from the impacts of the pandemic.

So I think it's fairly obvious that those posters don't give a shit about children or schools either.

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3asAbird · 07/06/2021 22:46

@noblegiraffe

We have 3 weeks left of term

Bristol only has 3 weeks left of term?!

Some Bristol schools yes have long 8 week summer holiday so my senior age child breaks up start of July. My primary age kids 21st July so another 6 weeks for them.

They say holidays act as circuit break bit not great if they went on holiday other parts of uk or abroad just means chances are we have more postives.
Testing safety is fallacy as its not compulsory therefore not everyone does them.
God knows what the expense of non reliable lft are and are they all made my Hancock relatives or government ministers freinds and family.
I dident think test and trace do schools they rely on heads to do it all.

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 22:50

They must know what they're doing.

Of course they do. But when they post, it bumps my thread and increases the chances of other people reading it.

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noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 22:54

The holidays have always caused infection rates to drop in secondary kids. Whatever they do in their spare time spreads covid less easily than being in a classroom.

But yes, we know movement around the country spreads covid very effectively, we saw it in uni students last September.

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