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Delta variant spreading in schools

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noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:38

Not posted one of these threads in a while but the data is starting to get interesting again.

The ONS infection survey data from yesterday shows an alarming increase in infection rates in secondary kids. The PHE survey also shows a jump in outbreaks in schools.

However the infection rates by area show that this is much more of a problem in the North West than e.g. the South West. That suggests that in certain areas, the situation is really bad and in others there's not (yet) a problem. This would suggest a localised approach (the govt are really keen not to talk about tiers).

What is obvious is that there are local variant hotspots, and in those hotspots, covid is running through schools, secondary in particular.

What to do? Stopping the spread of the variant out from those areas should be a high priority. Surge vaccination of adults won't be enough if it is spreading mostly in children. It's evident that the measures taken to stop the spread in schools from Sept-Dec were inadequate (isolation of close contacts only) so it seems clear that in those areas, far more robust tackling of cases in schools is needed -PCR testing not LFT, sending home whole year groups, proactively closing schools instead of as last resort. Schools in those areas already seem to have kept masks. We need to be hearing far more of what they are doing about schools in the news and what to expect.

There are those who would argue that the Delta variant should simply be allowed to spread now, however we know that one vaccination doesn't confer much immunity to it and it would be more prudent to wait until a much bigger proportion of the population are double-vaccinated and more fully protected.

There is also the question of allowing covid to spread through schools and the disruption to education that this would cause. The government announced yesterday that they are only willing to fund a pitiful amount of catch-up support and given that the schools affected are currently restricted to certain areas (and ones that were badly affected last year too), parents and pupils in those areas should not be expected to experience severe disruption caused by unmitigated covid spread if it can be dealt with more effectively. It would seem fair for more covid catch-up funding to be directed to those areas hardest hit but I haven't seen that proposed.

A few positive things: We've just had half term and that usually reduces infection rates in school children. Y11 and Y13 have now left, so secondary schools will have a reduced number of pupils. It's also less than 2 months to the summer holidays.

The Pfizer vaccine has just been approved in the UK for ages 12+. Vaccinating secondary children in those hotspots as a priority could be an option. Priority vaccinations for school staff there should be a no-brainer, I assume that has happened.

Unfortunately the government is currently suppressing data on the number of cases of the Delta variant in schools and there is a legal challenge to get this published. Why they are doing this is unclear. I do hope it's not because they want to pretend that schools aren't an issue until it's too late like they did before, but I don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

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motherrunner · 07/06/2021 20:26

@ZZTopGuitarSolo I want to teach where you live!

Zandathepanda · 07/06/2021 20:30

Our school has gone back without year group bubbles so over 1000 unmasked people mixing. No wiping down desks before sitting down in chairs that another year group has just left. The only difference now is that they aren’t doing big year group assemblies in the main hall. Obviously that’s where the covid monster lives. Hmm
Oh and pupils are supposed to be doing lateral flow tests twice a week at home. Lol.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 07/06/2021 20:31

@itsgettingwierd

Zz sounds great. Wish our government cared about students as much as yours does. I think we are lucky to have teachers and unions fighting for them tbh. Because this thread shows their parents won't in some cases!

Are you USA? I heard they've been vaccinating teens for a while now

Yes I am. My teens are all fully vaccinated now and life is basically back to normal even in my fairly Covid-careful state.

I'm very grateful for everything that has been done for my kids. I wish their UK-based cousins were getting the same experience.

CallmeHendricks · 07/06/2021 20:32

@Scrambledcustard: "You should probably proof read your posts before you hit the post button."

Says the poster who wrote: "I know you'r not a stupid woman ( as your supposed to be a teacher)"

"Noble. You cannot be serious? I’ve read the vast majority of your threads and you call for school to shut all the time" I think I've been on probably most, if not all, of Noble's threads and I have NEVER seen her call for school to be closed. Perhaps you should read more carefully.

TeddingtonTrashbag · 07/06/2021 20:35

In my school all the teachers have had at one shot (yes even the 20 somethings) and most have had two. So anxiety delta (and epsilon - no doubt about to be announced ) isn’t a thing.

CallmeHendricks · 07/06/2021 20:37

And your point, Teddington?
That's great for the staff at your school. What about the students?

itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 20:37

Zz I'm actually lucky in that my 16yo ds is vaccinated and due second in a few weeks so nearly fully. Unfortunately his is because he has a neurological condition and not because they care about teens education in general!

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 07/06/2021 20:37

The ‘bubbles’ and school closures happen BECAUSE schools don’t have proper mitigation in place. With ventilation, mask wearing and the chance to properly socially distance, schools wouldn’t need to have as many closures.

I also wanted early vaccinations for school staff (at the same time as NHS and care workers) and will push for priority boosters when they are needed. Note that’s my preferred option rather than closing schools. Teaching online really isn’t that much fun.

@ZZTopGuitarSolo - what a sensible system!

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2021 20:37

I have asked you this before and been ignored teddington. How do you know this? It seems an extraordinarily high level of knowledge.

Scrambledcustard · 07/06/2021 20:40

[quote CallmeHendricks]@Scrambledcustard: "You should probably proof read your posts before you hit the post button."

Says the poster who wrote: "I know you'r not a stupid woman ( as your supposed to be a teacher)"

"Noble. You cannot be serious? I’ve read the vast majority of your threads and you call for school to shut all the time" I think I've been on probably most, if not all, of Noble's threads and I have NEVER seen her call for school to be closed. Perhaps you should read more carefully.[/quote]
Wasn't me who wrote half of that. Maybe you should read more carefully too.

itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 20:40

@TeddingtonTrashbag

In my school all the teachers have had at one shot (yes even the 20 somethings) and most have had two. So anxiety delta (and epsilon - no doubt about to be announced ) isn’t a thing.
They have in mine. All who wanted it were fully vaccinated by end of Easter holidays.

I'm also a low case area.

Doesn't mean I don't show empathy to my education colleagues who haven't been afforded the same level of luxury of some mitigation's.

We are also a small school of 100 pupils. Not really representative of the general education system in the UK and so I realise how lucky I am.

Onceuponatime1818 · 07/06/2021 20:41

@TeddingtonTrashbag

I was only vaccinated this sat; and have a heart condition.

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 20:44

I'm surprised any teacher in Teddington's school has been vaccinated as they were all reportedly so unbothered by covid.

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CallmeHendricks · 07/06/2021 20:45

@Scrambledcustard

I really can't be arsed with reading in detail half of the nonsense on this thread. We've seen it all before, discounted it a million times and and yet STILL there are people determined to keep on about it.

CallmeHendricks · 07/06/2021 20:46

@noblegiraffe, I wonder if it's different in private schools, perhaps?

colouringindoors · 07/06/2021 20:49

Confirmed several cases in my secondary school in Bucks. Leadership team not interested in reversing mask rules etc. They just want to get to end of term, don't think they care about growth in cases Angry

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 20:52

What is it with places starting with B? Bolton, Blackburn, Bedford, Bracknell, Bristol, Bucks?

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ChloeDecker · 07/06/2021 20:54

@noblegiraffe

What is it with places starting with B? Bolton, Blackburn, Bedford, Bracknell, Bristol, Bucks?
Brighton must be shitting themselves Shock
colouringindoors · 07/06/2021 20:56

*Mitigation measures we're using at our high school...

  • we have sideless marquees being used as outdoor classrooms
  • air filters
  • using seatplans so that if a student tests positive, we know who has spent more than 15 minutes within 3' of him/her (they wear masks so 3' is the recommended distance).
  • masks worn throughout the day unless eating - they are always seated 6' apart while eating. This involves students eating in classrooms, outside, in the cafeteria, in the gym, in the music room...
  • staggered start/finish times*

WOW

I'm still one of the few members of staff opening windows (UK)

colouringindoors · 07/06/2021 20:57

watch out Birmingham 😅

carolinesbaby · 07/06/2021 21:06

But if the U.K. government won't pay for these measures, and the schools can't afford them on existing budgets, what else can be done?

borntobequiet · 07/06/2021 21:07

For you this is wholly Labour V Tories.

Of all the weird interpretations of Noble’s posts, this is one of the weirdest.

3asAbird · 07/06/2021 21:10

Our Bristol seniors said wants all do lft before tommorow and they advise we test younger siblings.
Added 3 new symptoms and expect pcr test for headache, cold like symptoms and sore throat.
The school email says few outbreaks in the local school doesn't name which schools.
Also delta varient present in the city and we had none of this info from bcc covid email updates so clearly its need to knows basis.
We have 3 weeks left of term .
Year 11 and 13 now gone.
I expect a few went away abroad as always on half term.

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 07/06/2021 21:10

We've had an e-mail from DS's secondary saying that they will 'keep mask-wearing under review'. They're very sensible as a rule, so I trust that they haven't had any positive cases for a while. (Masks have been mothballed since it stopped being compulsory).

The problem for parents like me is that I'll have to keep a weather eye on cases in case I have to pull the DCs out again. I really don't want to, but if cases keep rising and there's no mitigation in schools I may have to.

I wish I could trust the DFE to really have families and teachers best interests at heart.

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 21:12

Well, yeah, born, especially as Labour have been shit on covid. Keir said 'schools open no ifs no buts' so he could hardly argue effectively against the Tories when they were opened no ifs or buts and became riddled with covid.

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