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Delta variant spreading in schools

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noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:38

Not posted one of these threads in a while but the data is starting to get interesting again.

The ONS infection survey data from yesterday shows an alarming increase in infection rates in secondary kids. The PHE survey also shows a jump in outbreaks in schools.

However the infection rates by area show that this is much more of a problem in the North West than e.g. the South West. That suggests that in certain areas, the situation is really bad and in others there's not (yet) a problem. This would suggest a localised approach (the govt are really keen not to talk about tiers).

What is obvious is that there are local variant hotspots, and in those hotspots, covid is running through schools, secondary in particular.

What to do? Stopping the spread of the variant out from those areas should be a high priority. Surge vaccination of adults won't be enough if it is spreading mostly in children. It's evident that the measures taken to stop the spread in schools from Sept-Dec were inadequate (isolation of close contacts only) so it seems clear that in those areas, far more robust tackling of cases in schools is needed -PCR testing not LFT, sending home whole year groups, proactively closing schools instead of as last resort. Schools in those areas already seem to have kept masks. We need to be hearing far more of what they are doing about schools in the news and what to expect.

There are those who would argue that the Delta variant should simply be allowed to spread now, however we know that one vaccination doesn't confer much immunity to it and it would be more prudent to wait until a much bigger proportion of the population are double-vaccinated and more fully protected.

There is also the question of allowing covid to spread through schools and the disruption to education that this would cause. The government announced yesterday that they are only willing to fund a pitiful amount of catch-up support and given that the schools affected are currently restricted to certain areas (and ones that were badly affected last year too), parents and pupils in those areas should not be expected to experience severe disruption caused by unmitigated covid spread if it can be dealt with more effectively. It would seem fair for more covid catch-up funding to be directed to those areas hardest hit but I haven't seen that proposed.

A few positive things: We've just had half term and that usually reduces infection rates in school children. Y11 and Y13 have now left, so secondary schools will have a reduced number of pupils. It's also less than 2 months to the summer holidays.

The Pfizer vaccine has just been approved in the UK for ages 12+. Vaccinating secondary children in those hotspots as a priority could be an option. Priority vaccinations for school staff there should be a no-brainer, I assume that has happened.

Unfortunately the government is currently suppressing data on the number of cases of the Delta variant in schools and there is a legal challenge to get this published. Why they are doing this is unclear. I do hope it's not because they want to pretend that schools aren't an issue until it's too late like they did before, but I don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

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itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 19:12

Oh and as far as those accusing others of being scared of their children getting ill.

Not here. My da is CV and had his first jab. I am not concerned about death or hospitalisation after a very sensible conversation with his neurologist.

But we are worried about the effect on his degenerative condition because it's an unknown. It could cause a rapid decline. Hence why ds (16) made his personal decision to have the jab.

He isn't locked up and has attended college and swim training throughout. But we make sure we take precautions to limit the risk.

Just what all education staff want.

Also what many in factories have been denied and should have and I would fight for them to have too

SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 07/06/2021 19:13

Most children don't notice they have it so best that most parents don't become over anxious listening to the extremely rare stories of children that have had it a year.

Well, there’s always the hope that grown adults will hear about kids like ds and 1) have the common sense to see that’s it’s relatively rare but also 2) the common sense to see that mitigations are necessary, because for some kids it’s not just a sniffle and done. I found it helpful, for example, when ds was younger to hear about “scary” things like chicken pox complications. Reading threads about that didn’t make me think “oh no! All kids are going to get complications, this awful! I can never leave the house!” It made me feel sad for the poster of course, but it helped me be aware of any signs I should look out for when mine had chicken pox. Not panicking because it’s clearly rare, but informed. Which made me feel safer.

And as pps have pointed out, even when covid is just a sniffle and done, it’s still incredibly distributive to education due to isolations (whether you agree with them or not). I’d quite like an uninterrupted term of teaching!

Scrambledcustard · 07/06/2021 19:18

@noblegiraffe

SCHOOLS MUST STAY OPEN AT ALL COSTS, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT KIDS GET EVERY POSSIBLE SCRAP OF EDUCATION IN SCHOOL REGARDLESS OF COVID

'Rampant covid in schools is extremely disruptive to education due to repeated isolations therefore we should seek to minimise the impact by taking robust measures to stop the spread of this new variant, particularly in schools''

OH WHO CARES ABOUT DISRUPTION TO EDUCATION

Why dont we just stop sending them home?

Its not as severe as it was. Its got to end at some point...

The goal posts really are moving.

"Close the school because teachers are dying" - so we did.

"Close the school because teachers have not been vaccinated" - so we vaccinated

"Close the schools the cases are rising with new variant" - we proved deaths were still falling

"Close the schools because its disruptive" ....

Maybe you are the fly in the ointment.

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 19:21

No one's argued that schools should be closed.

And yet you keep claiming that they do, scrambled

You disappeared after I asked you to explain exactly what I was 'pushing' in my OP. Can you explain what it is?

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SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 07/06/2021 19:22

Thanks @ZZTopGuitarSolo Smile he’s a resilient little beast and he’s coped so well for the most part. The gp was really good with diagnostics and working out what was going on. They saw us face to face (!!) for check ups and blood tests and swabs. There wasn’t much in the way of treatment sadly. Lots of painkillers but nothing they could do to “cure” the underlying problems. Happily now he seems to be over the worst, is doing full weeks at school and hasn’t had a bad flare up since March. Fingers crossed that’s it for him Smile

Mistressiggi · 07/06/2021 19:23

Close the school because teachers have not been vaccinated" - so we vaccinated
I don't believe you are posting in good faith any more - you know many many staff are not vaccinated. And they were never made a priority group to be so.

TheHoneyBadger · 07/06/2021 19:24

You are the only one talking about closing schools.

I wonder if it's that you think it's impossible to make schools safer without closing them? Or that you are so against masks that you'd rather schools closed than children wear them?

No one is saying close schools except you.

But yes I guess teachers are the fly in the ointment - not covid, lack of funding, shitty classrooms without ventilation, no it's the teachers. Maybe we should get rid of all the teachers?

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2021 19:25

Close the school because teachers are dying" - so we did.

Bollocks. we were told that was made up.

whymewhyme · 07/06/2021 19:28

Funny how they have just granted testing on children 12-15 and now this has come out, doesn't take much working out whats going on here.

3asAbird · 07/06/2021 19:32

Today was an inset at seniors.
Get email saying everyone do let tonight

Added 3 new symptoms to covid even if our child has headache we to get pcr test.
That there's been out breaks in Bristol schools.
That the delta varient is present in the city.

In the mean time regular emails updates from Bristol City council just give rates per 100k over 7days lower than average and 54% adults had least one vaccine.
No mention of 3 new symptoms
No mention of school out breaks recent
No mention of delta varient.

Disruption bus abandoned social distancing and the school coach services full to the rafters.
Theres least 5 or 6 seniors schools city centre alone where people travel all 4 corners of city and beyond so if senior schools infections grew it would soon spread fast.
Some school staff even live in Wales.

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 19:33

Indeed Matt Hancock is admitting that transmission in schools and disruption to education is an issue because he wants children to be vaccinated.

That doesn't mean that it wasn't always true, they were just covering it up before. Anyone who worked in schools Sept-Dec knows how awful it was.

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Scrambledcustard · 07/06/2021 19:35

@noblegiraffe

No one's argued that schools should be closed.

And yet you keep claiming that they do, scrambled

You disappeared after I asked you to explain exactly what I was 'pushing' in my OP. Can you explain what it is?

I just logged off and watched an old series on 'Brit box' I do have a RL. I'll do the same later.

I think your posts are politically motivated. I know you'r not a stupid woman ( as your supposed to be a teacher) and even you should be able to read the data and not get caught top in news broadcasts and their sensationalism.

So that leaves drumming up anxiety and scaremongering people and putting pressure on to families. For you this is wholly Labour V Tories. While the rest of us don't give a toss who is in and just want our children back in to school, our business back on track or back in to work paying for families to live so we dont lose our houses.

itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 19:38
  • Why dont we just stop sending them home?

Its not as severe as it was. Its got to end at some point...

The goal posts really are moving.

"Close the school because teachers are dying" - so we did.

"Close the school because teachers have not been vaccinated" - so we vaccinated

"Close the schools the cases are rising with new variant" - we proved deaths were still falling

"Close the schools because its disruptive" ....

Maybe you are the fly in the ointment.*

Scrambled just for you the hard of reading on this thread (or rather the deliberately misreading!) - no one - NOT ONE person has suggested shutting schools.

Plenary have suggested keeping masks and improving ventilation to keep them open. That's open due to clusters of cases and isolations and not lockdown closed.

Plenty have advocated mitigation's to limit the disruption to our children's education. Your children's education too btw. Because we care about your children as much as we do our own and our own pupils.

And teachers didn't get the vaccine because it was suggested. They are getting it alongside the current groupings set by the JVCI.

My ds has his first one before any of his 4 college lecturers!

Scrambledcustard · 07/06/2021 19:40

@whymewhyme

Funny how they have just granted testing on children 12-15 and now this has come out, doesn't take much working out whats going on here.
What IS going on here?

We KNOW the Indian variant is easily transmissible. Thankfully that isn't equating to severity. As the NHS have stated.

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 19:40

For you this is wholly Labour V Tories.

Is it? That's weird given that I'm not a Labour supporter...

People keep telling me what I think and getting it wrong. Tedious.

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itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 19:41

They haven't invented an issue

Scrambledcustard · 07/06/2021 19:42

@itsgettingwierd

* Why dont we just stop sending them home?

Its not as severe as it was. Its got to end at some point...

The goal posts really are moving.

"Close the school because teachers are dying" - so we did.

"Close the school because teachers have not been vaccinated" - so we vaccinated

"Close the schools the cases are rising with new variant" - we proved deaths were still falling

"Close the schools because its disruptive" ....

Maybe you are the fly in the ointment.*

Scrambled just for you the hard of reading on this thread (or rather the deliberately misreading!) - no one - NOT ONE person has suggested shutting schools.

Plenary have suggested keeping masks and improving ventilation to keep them open. That's open due to clusters of cases and isolations and not lockdown closed.

Plenty have advocated mitigation's to limit the disruption to our children's education. Your children's education too btw. Because we care about your children as much as we do our own and our own pupils.

And teachers didn't get the vaccine because it was suggested. They are getting it alongside the current groupings set by the JVCI.

My ds has his first one before any of his 4 college lecturers!

Here we go with the attacks.

You should probably proof read your posts before you hit the post button.

ChloeDecker · 07/06/2021 19:42

Plenary have suggested keeping masks and improving ventilation to keep them open.

So sorry @itsgettingwierd but that is such a teachery autocorrect there Grin

Completely agree with you

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 19:43

Here we go with the attacks.

Says the person who accused me of scaremongering and drumming up anxiety?

I think you need to check your own posts because you may look like a hypocrite.

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itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 19:44

Sorry post Ed too soon 🤦🏼‍♀️

They haven't invented an issue to get the teens vaccinated.

They have finally admitted the issue because they have the vaccine approved.

We have seen what happened when then a few cases in crowded areas. As was said by one of the scientists "covid loves a crowd".

If we can break the high rate of transmission that can only be a good thing.

I'm not sure how we are 100's of pages and 15 month into this pandemic and there's still people suggesting we let this rip because they can't so with another LD or school closures.

They've clearly been following the same lack of learning as the government 🤷‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

Oh and just to clarify I'm not a lefty either and voted for this shit show. And I do take responsibility for those actions!

itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 19:45

It's wasn't an attack.

I do period read. Sadly my dyslexia means I don't always see some mistakes.

But luckily everyone else on the thread has managed to read and understand my posts 🤷‍♀️

itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 19:47

@ChloeDecker

Plenary have suggested keeping masks and improving ventilation to keep them open.

So sorry @itsgettingwierd but that is such a teachery autocorrect there Grin

Completely agree with you

When I saw that after I did have a chuckle to myself too GrinGrin
RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 07/06/2021 19:51

"Close the school because teachers have not been vaccinated" - so we vaccinated

Everyone else 'essential' apart from school staff. Ha.

Watapalava · 07/06/2021 19:53

Noble

You cannot be serious? I’ve read the vast majority of your threads and you call for school to shut all the time

I can’t belive you deny it with straight face

Watapalava · 07/06/2021 19:57

Teachers didn’t get the vaccine ahead of others because dispite all the scare tactics they employed for months on end, ons data showed time and time again they were low down on the most risky jobs

Didn’t stop dozens of them moaning on here on a daily basis

An embarrassment to their profession