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Delta variant spreading in schools

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noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:38

Not posted one of these threads in a while but the data is starting to get interesting again.

The ONS infection survey data from yesterday shows an alarming increase in infection rates in secondary kids. The PHE survey also shows a jump in outbreaks in schools.

However the infection rates by area show that this is much more of a problem in the North West than e.g. the South West. That suggests that in certain areas, the situation is really bad and in others there's not (yet) a problem. This would suggest a localised approach (the govt are really keen not to talk about tiers).

What is obvious is that there are local variant hotspots, and in those hotspots, covid is running through schools, secondary in particular.

What to do? Stopping the spread of the variant out from those areas should be a high priority. Surge vaccination of adults won't be enough if it is spreading mostly in children. It's evident that the measures taken to stop the spread in schools from Sept-Dec were inadequate (isolation of close contacts only) so it seems clear that in those areas, far more robust tackling of cases in schools is needed -PCR testing not LFT, sending home whole year groups, proactively closing schools instead of as last resort. Schools in those areas already seem to have kept masks. We need to be hearing far more of what they are doing about schools in the news and what to expect.

There are those who would argue that the Delta variant should simply be allowed to spread now, however we know that one vaccination doesn't confer much immunity to it and it would be more prudent to wait until a much bigger proportion of the population are double-vaccinated and more fully protected.

There is also the question of allowing covid to spread through schools and the disruption to education that this would cause. The government announced yesterday that they are only willing to fund a pitiful amount of catch-up support and given that the schools affected are currently restricted to certain areas (and ones that were badly affected last year too), parents and pupils in those areas should not be expected to experience severe disruption caused by unmitigated covid spread if it can be dealt with more effectively. It would seem fair for more covid catch-up funding to be directed to those areas hardest hit but I haven't seen that proposed.

A few positive things: We've just had half term and that usually reduces infection rates in school children. Y11 and Y13 have now left, so secondary schools will have a reduced number of pupils. It's also less than 2 months to the summer holidays.

The Pfizer vaccine has just been approved in the UK for ages 12+. Vaccinating secondary children in those hotspots as a priority could be an option. Priority vaccinations for school staff there should be a no-brainer, I assume that has happened.

Unfortunately the government is currently suppressing data on the number of cases of the Delta variant in schools and there is a legal challenge to get this published. Why they are doing this is unclear. I do hope it's not because they want to pretend that schools aren't an issue until it's too late like they did before, but I don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

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ZZTopGuitarSolo · 07/06/2021 18:53

According to this Beeb story over 200,000 2-18 year olds are suffering from long Covid.

www.bbc.com/news/health-56601911

About one in five people have symptoms of long Covid five weeks after an initial infection and one in seven after 12 weeks, an Office for National Statistics (ONS) survey suggests.

It estimates that 1.1 million people were affected in the UK in the four weeks from 6 February.

22.8% of those were age 2-18.

Is my maths wrong here?

June2021 · 07/06/2021 18:53

This being a anonymous forum means that some people can whip up a worry storm again and the poor sods who are very anxious get more anxious and worried.

The facts show that the death rate is very low. The cases have risen in some areas but overall hospital numbers are low and manageable.
So forward we go not backwards and more and more back to normal and live with covid and the variants as they emerge. Surge test when needed. Vaccine roll out continues.

June2021 · 07/06/2021 18:53

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colouringcrayons · 07/06/2021 18:54

@Piggywaspushed

I would suggest the ones panicking are the ones who are afraid 'freedom day' will be delayed.
Quite. Some are clearly unable to cope with the situation we are in. I am not going to mock that, it has been an awful year+, but it is noticeable how many people are completely raging at the thought of the virus not obeying the timelines.
SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 07/06/2021 18:58

Well in a recent post you said he had it this year.

And, no I didn’t did I @June2021
Let’s not lie. It’s clear I was taking him for a test as he had symptoms. Not the same as saying “omg! he has covid! Everyone panic!” Hmm

And your point about people whipping up worry. Well, it’s admirable of you to care. However, people saying children aren’t affected by covid are unfortunately wrong, and me hiding the cases I know so people don’t panic is not really very normal. Awareness is a good things, helps make sure the right mitigations are in place.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 07/06/2021 18:58

[quote SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo]@June2021
Ooh a stalker. I feel blessed! Grin
Ds caught covid in March 2020. Ongoing symptoms/problems for the next year.
Covid symptoms mentioned above werein March 2021, as though can see from my post. Went to drive in centre, tested negative. Went to Gp, tested (again) for strep throat & blood tests. Negative for strep throat, inflammatory markers through the roof. Gp’s answer - continuing complications from previous covid infection in March 2020.

It’s not quite the gotcha you think it is that children have multiple covid tests but nice try. Smile[/quote]
Sorry you're going through this - your poor son. Is your GP able to provide any treatment or is it just the case that your son has to wait it out?

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 18:59

Floppy has been posting about her DS with long covid since last year.

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Scrambledcustard · 07/06/2021 19:00

@Piggywaspushed

scrambled, please don't patronise me. I never said cases meant deaths. I said it's disruptive.
So we have moved away from 'every one is going to die - your going to kill all the adults ' to 'its disruptive...'
June2021 · 07/06/2021 19:00

[quote SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo]@June2021
Ooh a stalker. I feel blessed! Grin
Ds caught covid in March 2020. Ongoing symptoms/problems for the next year.
Covid symptoms mentioned above werein March 2021, as though can see from my post. Went to drive in centre, tested negative. Went to Gp, tested (again) for strep throat & blood tests. Negative for strep throat, inflammatory markers through the roof. Gp’s answer - continuing complications from previous covid infection in March 2020.

It’s not quite the gotcha you think it is that children have multiple covid tests but nice try. Smile[/quote]
Tend to recognise the familiar ones with the same story. Fortunately, your experience is very rare and hopefully other parents will not think it is common and worry unnecessarily for their children.

Some children have become over anxious due to the hyped up fear of covid for them. I watched a recent BBC news story where a young girl wouldn't go out due to listening to people around her chat about covid - she won't be alone. Anxiety in children is at an old time high. It is rarely a killer for children and rare for children to have long covid. Most children don't notice they have it so best that most parents don't become over anxious listening to the extremely rare stories of children that have had it a year.

itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 19:00

Maybe she's a science teacher?!

TheHoneyBadger · 07/06/2021 19:01

I'm imagining some of these posters as parents dealing with their kids being injured or ill by just yelling, So what!? You're not dead!!

colouringcrayons · 07/06/2021 19:01

rare for children to have long covid this is false

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 07/06/2021 19:02

@itsgettingwierd

Maybe she's a science teacher?!
It seems doubtful, given the way she consistently misinterprets research and statistics, but I suppose you never know.
June2021 · 07/06/2021 19:02

@Scrambledcustard

"So we have moved away from 'every one is going to die - your going to kill all the adults ' to 'its disruptive...'" Yep but add in the children might get long covid/might get complications/some young teachers might not realise they have an underlying health condition and they haven't had a vaccine yet..... there is always a new worry

TheHoneyBadger · 07/06/2021 19:03

Mum I came off my bike and bounced my head off the floor.

So what? You're young and don't have any coexisting morbidities so you're hardly going to die are you?

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2021 19:03

Scrambled , can you point me to where I EVER said that?

Please don't put words in my mouth.

SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 07/06/2021 19:04

“Shh darling, stop bleeding. You’re traumatising an adult on the internet.”

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 07/06/2021 19:04

Again for @june2021, based on an ONS survey, the BBC reported that over 200,000 2-18 year olds are estimated to have long Covid symptoms.

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2021 19:05

I also haven't said any of those things june apart from pointing out that the HEALTH Secretary is concerned about long covid in children.

itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 19:05

@June2021

This being a anonymous forum means that some people can whip up a worry storm again and the poor sods who are very anxious get more anxious and worried.

The facts show that the death rate is very low. The cases have risen in some areas but overall hospital numbers are low and manageable.
So forward we go not backwards and more and more back to normal and live with covid and the variants as they emerge. Surge test when needed. Vaccine roll out continues.

The issue with removing any mitigation's though is that this virus had a high R number.

Exponential growth could happen. This will affect hospitalisation and deaths even if lower percentage per case than before.

But this ain't about that.

This is about whilst cases in schools are showing a worrying trend of rising again how we can mitigation's in place to slow the spread to prevent children being in and out like a fiddlers elbow isolating. It's disruptive to their education and the government themselves have now stated it's detrimental to them.

Why are mitigation measures so scary to some?

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2021 19:06

Oh and I DEFINITELY never wrote your going to kill all the adults or its disruptive.

itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 19:07

So we have moved away from 'every one is going to die - your going to kill all the adults ' to 'its disruptive...'

We Never moved there. Some posters including you did and accused those who didn't of saying it.

Re read the OP.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 07/06/2021 19:08

Why are mitigation measures so scary to some?

This is what baffles me.

Mitigations work well in other countries. My children have been back in school since last September. No shutdowns, no bubbles bursting, only 4 days of quarantine due to potential exposure between them.

Why not... you know... give it a go?

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 19:10

SCHOOLS MUST STAY OPEN AT ALL COSTS, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT KIDS GET EVERY POSSIBLE SCRAP OF EDUCATION IN SCHOOL REGARDLESS OF COVID

'Rampant covid in schools is extremely disruptive to education due to repeated isolations therefore we should seek to minimise the impact by taking robust measures to stop the spread of this new variant, particularly in schools''

OH WHO CARES ABOUT DISRUPTION TO EDUCATION

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Scrambledcustard · 07/06/2021 19:11

@TheHoneyBadger

I'm imagining some of these posters as parents dealing with their kids being injured or ill by just yelling, So what!? You're not dead!!
Well I'd be pretty ok if one of my kids got covid.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/symptoms/coronavirus-in-children/#:~:text=Children%20can%20get%20coronavirus%20(,it%27s%20usually%20less%20serious

DD3 had a hideous chest infection in 2019 for about three months. I had to give up work as I couldn't send her in nursery. She was really unwell and I was really worried. If my kids get a dodgy rash im out with a glass tumbler checking its not meningitis as that really is a child killing virus.