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Delta variant spreading in schools

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noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:38

Not posted one of these threads in a while but the data is starting to get interesting again.

The ONS infection survey data from yesterday shows an alarming increase in infection rates in secondary kids. The PHE survey also shows a jump in outbreaks in schools.

However the infection rates by area show that this is much more of a problem in the North West than e.g. the South West. That suggests that in certain areas, the situation is really bad and in others there's not (yet) a problem. This would suggest a localised approach (the govt are really keen not to talk about tiers).

What is obvious is that there are local variant hotspots, and in those hotspots, covid is running through schools, secondary in particular.

What to do? Stopping the spread of the variant out from those areas should be a high priority. Surge vaccination of adults won't be enough if it is spreading mostly in children. It's evident that the measures taken to stop the spread in schools from Sept-Dec were inadequate (isolation of close contacts only) so it seems clear that in those areas, far more robust tackling of cases in schools is needed -PCR testing not LFT, sending home whole year groups, proactively closing schools instead of as last resort. Schools in those areas already seem to have kept masks. We need to be hearing far more of what they are doing about schools in the news and what to expect.

There are those who would argue that the Delta variant should simply be allowed to spread now, however we know that one vaccination doesn't confer much immunity to it and it would be more prudent to wait until a much bigger proportion of the population are double-vaccinated and more fully protected.

There is also the question of allowing covid to spread through schools and the disruption to education that this would cause. The government announced yesterday that they are only willing to fund a pitiful amount of catch-up support and given that the schools affected are currently restricted to certain areas (and ones that were badly affected last year too), parents and pupils in those areas should not be expected to experience severe disruption caused by unmitigated covid spread if it can be dealt with more effectively. It would seem fair for more covid catch-up funding to be directed to those areas hardest hit but I haven't seen that proposed.

A few positive things: We've just had half term and that usually reduces infection rates in school children. Y11 and Y13 have now left, so secondary schools will have a reduced number of pupils. It's also less than 2 months to the summer holidays.

The Pfizer vaccine has just been approved in the UK for ages 12+. Vaccinating secondary children in those hotspots as a priority could be an option. Priority vaccinations for school staff there should be a no-brainer, I assume that has happened.

Unfortunately the government is currently suppressing data on the number of cases of the Delta variant in schools and there is a legal challenge to get this published. Why they are doing this is unclear. I do hope it's not because they want to pretend that schools aren't an issue until it's too late like they did before, but I don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

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sherrystrull · 07/06/2021 18:25

@Watapalava

So what piggy? Genuinely I don’t get the fuss

Kids don’t get ill

Not even cev kids

People are obsessed with kids cases I don’t get it

The children aren't in school alone!
June2021 · 07/06/2021 18:25

The average area in England had 24 cases in 100,000.

Some areas are higher due to spread of delta variant - which appears in small clumps where people are obviously mixing after coming back from India. Surge testing in those places though.

Death rate is very low. Hospital rate for the UK is very low so perhaps time to stop panicking now? Vaccine numbers are rising daily and all over 50's and CEV and most CE have had one or many 2 vaccines so why are people still going over the same old same old.

Surely only the youngest, fittest teachers haven't had the vaccine yet and they might not even have any symptoms should they get it.

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 18:26

Some areas are higher due to spread of delta variant

Er, yes. Have you read the OP?

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ICanSmellSummerComing · 07/06/2021 18:27

Our setting in many pockets has given up on LFT they don't encourage or mention it.
The students are not sure what to do if they have to isolate in terms of telling us and masks are mostly dropped.
One of the issues has always been the trickle down effect of information and no follow up or standardisation of what's going on.
It feels like the ball is well and truly dropped just as we steer into dangerous waters, again.

June2021 · 07/06/2021 18:27

@SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo

It’s quite strange to see people still insisting that kids don’t get ill. It’s like denying the existence of Fiji. (“Never seen it with my own eyes so it can’t be real.”)

Not sure if it’s denial through fear, lack of interest or just desperately wanting to get back to normal, but considering it’s a parenting forum it’s just weird.

Ds had covid, was very ill with it, then left with problems, pain and inflammation for a whole year after. His friend’s brother has asthma after he caught covid despite having no problems before (and he’s 15 so they would have noticed.) Plus a couple of kids at the school I work at still have patchy attendance as they're still recovering. Anyone who thinks those cases and cases like them “don’t matter” can kindly get in the sea.

Your DS had it at the very start and he is still ill. Very rare. You also know a couple of kids still recovering as well. You are very unlucky Floppy
colouringcrayons · 07/06/2021 18:28

@SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo

It’s quite strange to see people still insisting that kids don’t get ill. It’s like denying the existence of Fiji. (“Never seen it with my own eyes so it can’t be real.”)

Not sure if it’s denial through fear, lack of interest or just desperately wanting to get back to normal, but considering it’s a parenting forum it’s just weird.

Ds had covid, was very ill with it, then left with problems, pain and inflammation for a whole year after. His friend’s brother has asthma after he caught covid despite having no problems before (and he’s 15 so they would have noticed.) Plus a couple of kids at the school I work at still have patchy attendance as they're still recovering. Anyone who thinks those cases and cases like them “don’t matter” can kindly get in the sea.

Yes agree - every time I hear about longlasting symptoms I wonder who are these parents who seem not to care if that happens to their child!
Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2021 18:31

You have no idea how rare it is june.

Hancock said yesterday long covid was a concern in children.

I wish posters woukd stop insinuating that people are lying . It's so tiresome. And offensive.

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2021 18:34

You do realise the delta variant is now the dominant one june?

And prevalent now in areas with virtually no Indian population so away with you and your snide comments about immigrants.

SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 07/06/2021 18:34

Your DS had it at the very start and he is still ill. Very rare. You also know a couple of kids still recovering as well. You are very unlucky Floppy

What a surprise Smile Denial, and nice use of “you are very unlucky” to perhaps insinuate I’m lying or exaggerating? Sadly, you’re just ignorant/unaware. Strangely, people who spend more time with more children see more effects of covid on children. What a shocker.

Also, please fuck off with your “unlucky”. He was 10 years old and in pain for a year. Your reaction to that is very weird.

SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 07/06/2021 18:36

Yes agree - every time I hear about longlasting symptoms I wonder who are these parents who seem not to care if that happens to their child!

It’s weird isn’t it! That and the fact they’re not worried about looking like a cold hearted fucker in “public”. Grin

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ZZTopGuitarSolo · 07/06/2021 18:43

@Piggywaspushed

You have no idea how rare it is june.

Hancock said yesterday long covid was a concern in children.

I wish posters woukd stop insinuating that people are lying . It's so tiresome. And offensive.

I suggest you do not look at the Pfizer approved for 12-15 year olds thread if you don't want to see people insinuating that a million people with long Covid are all lying...
Mistressiggi · 07/06/2021 18:43

I for one would love to know what Watapalava's job in education is.

colouringcrayons · 07/06/2021 18:44

@Watapalava

I think it’s more than Mumsnet is the only place I’ve seen this level of irrational fear

The data proves you are all behaving irrationally

My guess is you only talk this crap on mums et because in real life people are not interested and also think you’re anxiety ridden

Actually I discuss it at work too but work in an area tanegntially related to covid. Funnily enough the more people know about covid, the more seriously they take it.

It is not those who understand the science who are irrational.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 07/06/2021 18:44

@Mistressiggi

I for one would love to know what Watapalava's job in education is.
Apparently she's also a 'scientist'.
colouringcrayons · 07/06/2021 18:45

tangentially even

SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 07/06/2021 18:45

I don’t know watapalava it’s not teachers using word like “irrational” and “panicking”. Teachers are using words like “sensible mitigations”. Are you lot ok? You sound very stressed.
Grin

Why are people so scared that children can possibly catch covid? You’re in such deep denial, attacking people about the fact that children can catch covid. We’ve seen it in real life, we care about the kids we work with, and would rather it didn’t happen to them even if it’s rare.. That’s not panicking, it’s basic human empathy.

Try it sometime, it’s quite nice.

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 18:47

I don't know how people could read stories like the one about the school that had 100 cases and had to close and think 'yeah, I'm pretty relaxed about that coming to my kids' school, no need to do anything about it spreading our way'.

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June2021 · 07/06/2021 18:48

@SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo

Your DS had it at the very start and he is still ill. Very rare. You also know a couple of kids still recovering as well. You are very unlucky Floppy

What a surprise Smile Denial, and nice use of “you are very unlucky” to perhaps insinuate I’m lying or exaggerating? Sadly, you’re just ignorant/unaware. Strangely, people who spend more time with more children see more effects of covid on children. What a shocker.

Also, please fuck off with your “unlucky”. He was 10 years old and in pain for a year. Your reaction to that is very weird.

Well in a recent post you said he had it this year. "SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo Wed 24-Mar-21 20:11:22 I’ve namechanged but I promise I’m a regular! So ds1 has come down with covid symptoms. Headache and sore throat, then fever and chills and had no sense of smell. I’ve taken him to a drive through centre and we’re waiting for his results now. I’m right in thinking I can’t go into work until I get his results, aren’t I? I know he can’t go into school, obviously."

So not quite the year you mentioned earlier or perhaps he had it a second time?

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2021 18:48

I would suggest the ones panicking are the ones who are afraid 'freedom day' will be delayed.

SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 07/06/2021 18:49

In education and a scientist? But can’t use full stops? Now generally I couldn’t care less about punctuation outside of work, but I’ve seen that pattern before in teacher bashing threads - Www: separated chunks of information into paragraphs. EBI: full stops at the end of sentences. Weird!

Scrambledcustard · 07/06/2021 18:49

@Piggywaspushed

9 PCR positive cases in one year group in my school TODAY.

Nothing to see here, oh no.

Cases DO NOT mean deaths. Finally the government are going to look at the data instead of following the 'model'

Even with the Indian variant we are BELOW every single model that has been given to the government. We always knew that cases would go up when lockdowns were released. I dont know why people are shocked and terrified that it has. When children went back to school in March we didnt see the increase in deaths.

We seen it again in April when pubs opened outdoors, no increase of deaths or over load on critical care.

Now we have had another increase in cases since indoor eating was allowed BUT that has NOT reflected an increase of deaths or critical beds because of the vaccine.

Even spokes people for the NHS are saying they are not seeing a rise in deaths or critical care.

Viruses mutate all the time - we dont need to be paralysed very time a new one comes along. We can not focus on cases alone otherwise we will NEVER get out of this. Easily transmissible doesn't automatically mean more severe.

Of the people going in to hospital how many are admitted with actual covid rather than a positive PCR test? Because that still counts as a hospital admission .

The total number of children up to the age of 20 who died with covid in the whole of the UK is 40. Its a tragedy for those children and young people but the majority had severe underlying issues such as cancer and other life threatening illnesses.

The number of 20 -39 year olds that have died with covid is 609. Again these people had severe underlying illnesses.

The average age of death is 82, the vast majority of those people that died from and with covid are over 70. These people have been double vaccinated.

Flu has a higher mortality rate in children under 5.

We are at a point were people are now not afraid of dying from it they just don't want to catch it. Well tough. Its going to be here for a while. We know its not claiming the lives it did and society has to move on.

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2021 18:51

You can catch it twice june. One could also have : gasp: more than one DS!!

But searching threads and posting from them is poor MN form.

I was accused once about lying about case rates in my actual town and workplace. Funnily enough, that poster never returned to eat her humble pie.

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2021 18:53

scrambled, please don't patronise me. I never said cases meant deaths. I said it's disruptive.

SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 07/06/2021 18:53

@June2021
Ooh a stalker. I feel blessed! Grin
Ds caught covid in March 2020. Ongoing symptoms/problems for the next year.
Covid symptoms mentioned above werein March 2021, as though can see from my post. Went to drive in centre, tested negative. Went to Gp, tested (again) for strep throat & blood tests. Negative for strep throat, inflammatory markers through the roof. Gp’s answer - continuing complications from previous covid infection in March 2020.

It’s not quite the gotcha you think it is that children have multiple covid tests but nice try. Smile

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