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Delta variant spreading in schools

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noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:38

Not posted one of these threads in a while but the data is starting to get interesting again.

The ONS infection survey data from yesterday shows an alarming increase in infection rates in secondary kids. The PHE survey also shows a jump in outbreaks in schools.

However the infection rates by area show that this is much more of a problem in the North West than e.g. the South West. That suggests that in certain areas, the situation is really bad and in others there's not (yet) a problem. This would suggest a localised approach (the govt are really keen not to talk about tiers).

What is obvious is that there are local variant hotspots, and in those hotspots, covid is running through schools, secondary in particular.

What to do? Stopping the spread of the variant out from those areas should be a high priority. Surge vaccination of adults won't be enough if it is spreading mostly in children. It's evident that the measures taken to stop the spread in schools from Sept-Dec were inadequate (isolation of close contacts only) so it seems clear that in those areas, far more robust tackling of cases in schools is needed -PCR testing not LFT, sending home whole year groups, proactively closing schools instead of as last resort. Schools in those areas already seem to have kept masks. We need to be hearing far more of what they are doing about schools in the news and what to expect.

There are those who would argue that the Delta variant should simply be allowed to spread now, however we know that one vaccination doesn't confer much immunity to it and it would be more prudent to wait until a much bigger proportion of the population are double-vaccinated and more fully protected.

There is also the question of allowing covid to spread through schools and the disruption to education that this would cause. The government announced yesterday that they are only willing to fund a pitiful amount of catch-up support and given that the schools affected are currently restricted to certain areas (and ones that were badly affected last year too), parents and pupils in those areas should not be expected to experience severe disruption caused by unmitigated covid spread if it can be dealt with more effectively. It would seem fair for more covid catch-up funding to be directed to those areas hardest hit but I haven't seen that proposed.

A few positive things: We've just had half term and that usually reduces infection rates in school children. Y11 and Y13 have now left, so secondary schools will have a reduced number of pupils. It's also less than 2 months to the summer holidays.

The Pfizer vaccine has just been approved in the UK for ages 12+. Vaccinating secondary children in those hotspots as a priority could be an option. Priority vaccinations for school staff there should be a no-brainer, I assume that has happened.

Unfortunately the government is currently suppressing data on the number of cases of the Delta variant in schools and there is a legal challenge to get this published. Why they are doing this is unclear. I do hope it's not because they want to pretend that schools aren't an issue until it's too late like they did before, but I don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

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MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 07/06/2021 08:13

Yes. And at least one on this thread has claimed to work in education in the past, and has been telling porkies.

June2021 · 07/06/2021 09:51

As long as people are not requiring hospital treatment since the most vulnerable in society have had both vaccines now then we gave to live with it.
We have to get on with life again

June2021 · 07/06/2021 09:53

@Watapalava

Why ? Doesn’t matter if kids get it

Anyone at risk of severe disease and death has had one vaccine which does most of the work

Honestly some people have a real heightened sense of risk

If unvaccinated currently it’s because your chance of dying or being seriously ill is non existent

This.
Iggly · 07/06/2021 10:13

If unvaccinated currently it’s because your chance of dying or being seriously ill is non existent

Incorrect.

Plenty of people have hidden conditions and they don’t know until they have covid that they’re at higher risk.

Furthermore the vaccine does not offer 100% protection. Some people who are high risk and have had both jabs may well die if they catch COVID.

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2021 13:38

You were doing so well til you got to non existent . This is just factually incorrect. The favoured word is minuscule.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 07/06/2021 15:01

@Piggywaspushed

You were doing so well til you got to non existent . This is just factually incorrect. The favoured word is minuscule.
TBF the same poster is on another thread trying to say that long Covid doesn't exist, and people are just a bit tired after a difficult year.
ZZTopGuitarSolo · 07/06/2021 15:03

Furthermore the vaccine does not offer 100% protection. Some people who are high risk and have had both jabs may well die if they catch COVID.

Indeed. One of DD's college friends age 18 had a heart transplant a few weeks ago after a virus (not Covid). She desperately needs a herd immunity level of protection against Covid if her life is to get back to normal in any way.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 07/06/2021 15:04

@Piggywaspushed

I work in education always the favourite line to claim some sort of authority.
Another one is 'I'm a scientist'. Often spouted immediately after some entirely non-fact-based opinion that is clearly bullshit.
ICanSmellSummerComing · 07/06/2021 15:13

The guardian article about Bristol is extremely worrying

All those people mixing at half term!!

I don't think many people are following or worried about covid anymore, esp not where I working, covid fatigue has well and truly set in and many teachers don't even mention masks or anything any more.

Students may still be bubbled but are definitely closer than 1 meter etc.

It's another explosion waiting to happen isn't it... In two /three weeks we will see the half term mess kick in, hopefully with no major hospital issues

TheHoneyBadger · 07/06/2021 15:32

Three off with confirmed cases themselves or of a sibling today - no contacts as first day of term. Hopefully none in asymptomatically and that is all there'll be from the increased mixing but wait and see.

CallmeHendricks · 07/06/2021 15:37

We have an inset day today but have had one call already in my class about an older sibling who is positive.
Area with low numbers up until now.

itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 16:22

We keep hearing people saying how none of the NW outbreaks was a pub so why are we worried about schools.

All I keep thinking is about how being in a pub isn't actually really any different.

The truth is once it's in a room it's getting around! We can't avoid the getting in and infections - but we can limit the impact with mitigation's.

And if we limit the impact with mitigation's we can cause less disruption for pupils because there's less isolation.

I hope everyone continues to LFT and be honest about the results.

I'm hopeful the summer will be a natural firebreak and they'll keep trips abroad to a minimum and hopefully alongside the vaccination programme come September we will see less COVID getting into schools and less disruption for pupils.

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2021 16:29

9 PCR positive cases in one year group in my school TODAY.

Nothing to see here, oh no.

CallmeHendricks · 07/06/2021 16:30

I wonder how many pupils nationally did an LFT before this morning.

PatriciaHolm · 07/06/2021 16:41

@CallmeHendricks

I wonder how many pupils nationally did an LFT before this morning.
LFTS yesterday were just over 1m in England, which is back to the low end of what they were on testing days before half term. Which makes sense as most Yr 11 and 13 are out now.
Regulus · 07/06/2021 18:05

@CallmeHendricks

I wonder how many pupils nationally did an LFT before this morning.
I know that some most of the pupils in my school that are doing the LFT (just over half in most age groups) report the result to the school but not the government , because we have three questions (name, class, outcome) All on one page but the government report takes too long and asks the same questions. (This is based on a questionnaire we sent out before half term)
Watapalava · 07/06/2021 18:06

So what piggy? Genuinely I don’t get the fuss

Kids don’t get ill

Not even cev kids

People are obsessed with kids cases I don’t get it

Onceuponatime1818 · 07/06/2021 18:09

@Watapalava

Guessing you don’t work in a school then.

The problem is that firstly, many of us working in school aren’t vaccinated.’

mumsneedwine · 07/06/2021 18:11

@Watapalava of the 3 year 11s I teach who have had COVID, one now has asthma, one is now lactose intolerant & one has no sense of smell (for over 7 months). In my year 10s 3 have long term fatigue and are on reduced timetables.
Not sure why you think kids don't get sick with COVID.

Watapalava · 07/06/2021 18:13

If they haven’t had vaccine it’s because they’re more likely to be hit my a bus

Anyone under 30 without underlying issues has serious health anxiety if worried about covid

Data on ons shows your risk is neglible

colouringcrayons · 07/06/2021 18:15

@Watapalava

If they haven’t had vaccine it’s because they’re more likely to be hit my a bus

Anyone under 30 without underlying issues has serious health anxiety if worried about covid

Data on ons shows your risk is neglible

Not from long covid which could be absolutely shit if it prevents you working.

Death is not the only outcome, and longlasting health impacts are worse for young people as they have more years ahead to be affected.

itsgettingwierd · 07/06/2021 18:16

@Watapalava

So what piggy? Genuinely I don’t get the fuss

Kids don’t get ill

Not even cev kids

People are obsessed with kids cases I don’t get it

You obviously forgot the story of the 13yo boy who died alone as his family were isolating and was buried alone as they were still isolating.

They may have a lesser illness generally but they do get ill and they do die.

noblegiraffe · 07/06/2021 18:19

Apart from the disruption to kids' education when covid is allowed to swill around unmitigated in schools, as we saw with nearly a million kids a week isolating and missing school as things got really bad from Sept to Dec, it is not a good idea to allow covid to run through the unvaccinated population while we still have a significant proportion of the population either not vaccinated, or only single jabbed, which doesn't provide enough protection.

If we do this, then infection levels may increase to the point where they risk a significant number of hospitalisations in the unprotected population, but also a significant number of infections in the clinically extremely vulnerable population even though they are double jabbed, because the vaccine isn't 100% effective.

We need to keep infection rates low until we have administered way more vaccines.

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Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2021 18:21

So what? It's incredibly disruptive.

Oh , I forgot, you don't want any of them testing or isolated.

Out of interest, how do you know how ill kids I teach are?

SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 07/06/2021 18:24

It’s quite strange to see people still insisting that kids don’t get ill. It’s like denying the existence of Fiji. (“Never seen it with my own eyes so it can’t be real.”)

Not sure if it’s denial through fear, lack of interest or just desperately wanting to get back to normal, but considering it’s a parenting forum it’s just weird.

Ds had covid, was very ill with it, then left with problems, pain and inflammation for a whole year after. His friend’s brother has asthma after he caught covid despite having no problems before (and he’s 15 so they would have noticed.) Plus a couple of kids at the school I work at still have patchy attendance as they're still recovering. Anyone who thinks those cases and cases like them “don’t matter” can kindly get in the sea.

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