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Delta variant spreading in schools

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noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:38

Not posted one of these threads in a while but the data is starting to get interesting again.

The ONS infection survey data from yesterday shows an alarming increase in infection rates in secondary kids. The PHE survey also shows a jump in outbreaks in schools.

However the infection rates by area show that this is much more of a problem in the North West than e.g. the South West. That suggests that in certain areas, the situation is really bad and in others there's not (yet) a problem. This would suggest a localised approach (the govt are really keen not to talk about tiers).

What is obvious is that there are local variant hotspots, and in those hotspots, covid is running through schools, secondary in particular.

What to do? Stopping the spread of the variant out from those areas should be a high priority. Surge vaccination of adults won't be enough if it is spreading mostly in children. It's evident that the measures taken to stop the spread in schools from Sept-Dec were inadequate (isolation of close contacts only) so it seems clear that in those areas, far more robust tackling of cases in schools is needed -PCR testing not LFT, sending home whole year groups, proactively closing schools instead of as last resort. Schools in those areas already seem to have kept masks. We need to be hearing far more of what they are doing about schools in the news and what to expect.

There are those who would argue that the Delta variant should simply be allowed to spread now, however we know that one vaccination doesn't confer much immunity to it and it would be more prudent to wait until a much bigger proportion of the population are double-vaccinated and more fully protected.

There is also the question of allowing covid to spread through schools and the disruption to education that this would cause. The government announced yesterday that they are only willing to fund a pitiful amount of catch-up support and given that the schools affected are currently restricted to certain areas (and ones that were badly affected last year too), parents and pupils in those areas should not be expected to experience severe disruption caused by unmitigated covid spread if it can be dealt with more effectively. It would seem fair for more covid catch-up funding to be directed to those areas hardest hit but I haven't seen that proposed.

A few positive things: We've just had half term and that usually reduces infection rates in school children. Y11 and Y13 have now left, so secondary schools will have a reduced number of pupils. It's also less than 2 months to the summer holidays.

The Pfizer vaccine has just been approved in the UK for ages 12+. Vaccinating secondary children in those hotspots as a priority could be an option. Priority vaccinations for school staff there should be a no-brainer, I assume that has happened.

Unfortunately the government is currently suppressing data on the number of cases of the Delta variant in schools and there is a legal challenge to get this published. Why they are doing this is unclear. I do hope it's not because they want to pretend that schools aren't an issue until it's too late like they did before, but I don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

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CallmeHendricks · 06/06/2021 10:39

@noblegiraffe and @ChloeDecker, Are either of you anywhere near any particular hotspots?

ArianaVenti · 06/06/2021 10:45

@Waxonwaxoff0

I don't understand why mask wearing was removed in schools either.
This plus the "they're doing more damage than good" - it's ironic that removing masks in schools means it looks like they'll be kept for longer in public because of rates going up Hmm.

My kids school have removed them completely & the usually v sensible head seems to have been affected by the antimaskers accusing him of child abuse. Anyone any suggestions - I've emailed him previously but not sure if it's worth trying again. Maybe i should contact the council to suggest they instigate it?

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2021 10:52

usually v sensible head seems to have been affected by the antimaskers accusing him of child abuse

Yeah, my head took legal advice because of this which was to not go beyond government guidelines.

So we could be in the middle of a giant hotspot and we'd still be maskless unless there was some sort of mandate.

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ArianaVenti · 06/06/2021 10:54

@noblegiraffe

usually v sensible head seems to have been affected by the antimaskers accusing him of child abuse

Yeah, my head took legal advice because of this which was to not go beyond government guidelines.

So we could be in the middle of a giant hotspot and we'd still be maskless unless there was some sort of mandate.

Surely that court case in Sheffield indicates it's ok as long as there are exemptions?
noblegiraffe · 06/06/2021 10:56

The court case was when there was a government mandate. The whole thing was bonkers, using a 12 year old to try to score political points.

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ChloeDecker · 06/06/2021 11:12

[quote CallmeHendricks]**@noblegiraffe* and @ChloeDecker*, Are either of you anywhere near any particular hotspots?[/quote]
I’m in London CallMeH

mrshoho · 06/06/2021 11:17

[quote noblegiraffe]On the vaccination front - the govt spent £3.7 million back in September on their campaign to make people think that schools were safe (as opposed to making them safer with e.g. ventilation).

So now they're going to have to backpedal on that campaign and spend money on another one saying that they're not safe, so vaccinate your child.

www.parentsunited.net/government-paid-3-7-million-for-back-to-school-marketing-campaign/[/quote]
Does anyone else find this really disturbing to say the least. How intertwined are these individuals/organisations with the likes of us4them, academies, our education system in general? I can imagine a whole can of worms in there.

Piggywaspushed · 06/06/2021 11:21

The head of a much favoured but controversial free school in London who declared no one would wear masks ,despite the government guidance at the time, and several major outbreaks (and deaths of parents and grandparents of several students), is very intertwined with U4T and a signatory to the no masks in schools letter.

Neverendingstory356 · 06/06/2021 11:26

"Does anyone else find this really disturbing to say the least. How intertwined are these individuals/organisations with the likes of us4them, academies, our education system in general? I can imagine a whole can of worms in there."

It is very disturbing. From September until now, there also seemed to be a complete media blackout on the safety issues in schools. Even sources like The Guardian & The Independent, which were very critical around PPE supply issues and workplace safety within the NHS earlier in the pandemic, were completely silent. The data was there, everyone who regularly stepped foot in a school was more than aware that they weren't really safe. Where was the news on the safety issues at school from Sept-Dec?

CallmeHendricks · 06/06/2021 11:26

@ChloeDecker, So I'd guess that it's likely that your local numbers could be rising, in which case it seems crazy to me not to reinstate some mitigations.

Kapalika · 06/06/2021 11:28

Literally just had an email from my son’s secondary that bubbles are back (wasn’t aware they had stopped ) and masks on in all lessons again. Outer London borough hotspot.

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2021 11:39

If Hancock is prepared to go on TV and say that schools are a hotbed of transmission and kids are in danger of long covid, therefore we need vaccinations in August, it really does beg the question of why they're not doing anything to tackle this before then.

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itsgettingwierd · 06/06/2021 11:43

@noblegiraffe

If Hancock is prepared to go on TV and say that schools are a hotbed of transmission and kids are in danger of long covid, therefore we need vaccinations in August, it really does beg the question of why they're not doing anything to tackle this before then.
Or the past 6 months.

He even mentioned the detrimental effect of constant isolations.

A few days after they ignored the tsars catch up programme and refused to fund it.

I try and keep out of inter party politics but I've always had a feeling MH has been wanting more than Boris will provide and he's had to toe the party line - leaving him open to blame.

And that DC has okayed in this as he has personal gripe for some reason against him.

cantkeepawayforever · 06/06/2021 12:03

Noble, just to say that DD's head said that as there were aspects of the guidance that they didn't do in full (e.g. very strict bubbling and separation of year groups when moving around the building), they had decided that to balance this they would keep masks in communal areas.

A kind of 'I am not doing X which i am supposed to do, so to balance this I am going to do Y which I have been asked to stop doing'.

Highly educated parent body (many medics) = almost total compliance.

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 06/06/2021 12:17

At some point in the future I am expecting one of those Panorama-style investigations to appear about conditions in schools during the pandemic. I think the general public will be really shocked. I never realised how controlled our media was until this last year - I feel very naive. I hope Hancock goes nuclear if he is about to be sacrificed as I think we will find out a lot.

@Waxonwaxoff0 On the basis of your posts, I have often mentioned conditions in some factories as a concern. I hope the owners/managers are making some changes in your workplace.

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2021 13:09

Yes, seeing posts on here complaining about school kids walking home in small groups or suggesting that they were safer in school than e.g. at home during half term 'having sleepovers' because in school social distancing was enforced really made me think they had no idea what your average school looked like.

The insistence in the media of posting photos of half empty classrooms with a handful of kids wearing masks when the opposite was the case was really quite dystopian.

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noblegiraffe · 06/06/2021 13:22

Here's the Hancock interview if anyone wants to see it from the horse's mouth.

twitter.com/skynews/status/1401452234190340096?s=21

Yes Matt, isolations are detrimental to education. Why have you done nothing to stop the spread of covid in schools, particularly last year when millions of children missed school due to isolation/covid? You didn't even mention it then.

And why are you waiting till August to do anything?

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Neverendingstory356 · 06/06/2021 13:37

Thanks @noblegiraffe

It's infuriating to watch him admit this after nearly a year of being told I am safe at school because children don't often catch or spread COVID. Remember outbreaks at school could only be caused by those pesky teachers gathering around too closely in the staff rooms? Hmm

EvilPea · 06/06/2021 13:45

Matt and Gavin only still have their jobs because you cannot really reshuffle or sack people during a national crisis. No one will want to take it on

borntobequiet · 06/06/2021 14:03

I hope Hancock goes nuclear if he is about to be sacrificed as I think we will find out a lot.

I wonder if recent events have indicated to Hancock that honesty is the best policy right now.

borntobequiet · 06/06/2021 14:05

The insistence in the media of posting photos of half empty classrooms with a handful of kids wearing masks when the opposite was the case was really quite dystopian.

BBC News Channel this lunchtime showing a number of such unlikely scenarios while reporting Hancock’s words.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 06/06/2021 14:07

Nobel posted the graphs in December from memory when schools were opened for one day and then closed. Wasn’t there a push from the unions for the data?
Children and staff deserve to be safe in schools just like all or places.

Regulus · 06/06/2021 15:22

Thank HanCock interview could make me cry.

itsgettingwierd · 06/06/2021 15:34

It was equally awful and reassuring to actually hear the government admit pupils a) do transmit the virus and b) schools are hotbeds for infection.

All those who say teachers and education staff are making it up cannot argue that anymore.

Neverendingstory356 · 06/06/2021 15:38

Cue now all the U4T posters filing in to say that school must stay open at all costs, but they are absolutely not vaccinating their children.