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Delta variant spreading in schools

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noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:38

Not posted one of these threads in a while but the data is starting to get interesting again.

The ONS infection survey data from yesterday shows an alarming increase in infection rates in secondary kids. The PHE survey also shows a jump in outbreaks in schools.

However the infection rates by area show that this is much more of a problem in the North West than e.g. the South West. That suggests that in certain areas, the situation is really bad and in others there's not (yet) a problem. This would suggest a localised approach (the govt are really keen not to talk about tiers).

What is obvious is that there are local variant hotspots, and in those hotspots, covid is running through schools, secondary in particular.

What to do? Stopping the spread of the variant out from those areas should be a high priority. Surge vaccination of adults won't be enough if it is spreading mostly in children. It's evident that the measures taken to stop the spread in schools from Sept-Dec were inadequate (isolation of close contacts only) so it seems clear that in those areas, far more robust tackling of cases in schools is needed -PCR testing not LFT, sending home whole year groups, proactively closing schools instead of as last resort. Schools in those areas already seem to have kept masks. We need to be hearing far more of what they are doing about schools in the news and what to expect.

There are those who would argue that the Delta variant should simply be allowed to spread now, however we know that one vaccination doesn't confer much immunity to it and it would be more prudent to wait until a much bigger proportion of the population are double-vaccinated and more fully protected.

There is also the question of allowing covid to spread through schools and the disruption to education that this would cause. The government announced yesterday that they are only willing to fund a pitiful amount of catch-up support and given that the schools affected are currently restricted to certain areas (and ones that were badly affected last year too), parents and pupils in those areas should not be expected to experience severe disruption caused by unmitigated covid spread if it can be dealt with more effectively. It would seem fair for more covid catch-up funding to be directed to those areas hardest hit but I haven't seen that proposed.

A few positive things: We've just had half term and that usually reduces infection rates in school children. Y11 and Y13 have now left, so secondary schools will have a reduced number of pupils. It's also less than 2 months to the summer holidays.

The Pfizer vaccine has just been approved in the UK for ages 12+. Vaccinating secondary children in those hotspots as a priority could be an option. Priority vaccinations for school staff there should be a no-brainer, I assume that has happened.

Unfortunately the government is currently suppressing data on the number of cases of the Delta variant in schools and there is a legal challenge to get this published. Why they are doing this is unclear. I do hope it's not because they want to pretend that schools aren't an issue until it's too late like they did before, but I don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

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Waxonwaxoff0 · 06/06/2021 09:14

[quote ChloeDecker]And it’s not a race to the bottom Waxonwaxoff0

I’ve discussed a few times about how factory workers needed better safety measures (and according to links below, plenty are not just getting on with it and correctly fighting back) including their unions representing them. Just like with education staff, many still ‘tell them to get on with it’ including their bosses and this is not right and shouldn’t be used to shut down people who don’t want to have to put up with it (even though they still valiantly keep going to work)

It doesn’t have to be either or. Education staff and parents with children in school do have the right to complain and worry, just like factory workers do and are.

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/18/uk-garment-factory-workers-at-higher-risk-of-dying-with-covid-study

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5eb965d5d3bf7f5d3c74a2dd/working-safely-during-covid-19-factories-plants-warehouses-041120.pdf

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gmb-workers-scotland-france-acas-b934265.html

www.unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2020/june/employers-have-duty-to-safeguard-staff-and-public-as-more-meat-factory-coronavirus-outbreaks-suspected/

www.unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2021/june/summer-weetabix-shortages-expected-during-northamptonshire-cereal-workers-strike/

www.unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2021/february/quorn-strike-action-off-at-teesside-factory-as-staff-accept-excellent-pay-deal/[/quote]
I agree. I'm just fed up of the narrative that all other workplaces are Covid safe apart from schools. I've no problem with education staff wanting safer workplaces, what I have a problem with is them telling me my workplace is safer than theirs when they've got no idea what it's like in my workplace.

colouringcrayons · 06/06/2021 09:15

They don't exist where I work. In theory they are there but not followed. No one bothers to social distance, windows were not open in winter, we don't wear masks.
That's awful, I'm so frustrated that businesses treat employees like shit - and the government let's them.

This kind of disregard has bad impacts on individuals and of course overall case levels.

ChloeDecker · 06/06/2021 09:16

I agree. I'm just fed up of the narrative that all other workplaces are Covid safe apart from schools.

The other workplaces have rules for being Covid safe, which is different to what education staff are referring to on here. That’s the difference. It’s not our fault if adults are not following those rules. We would just like those rules too, to give us a chance.
And at least some in your industry are fighting back about that.

Beamur · 06/06/2021 09:17

I live in an area where transmissions have remained fairly high, not Kirklees but nearby. DD's school have retained mask wearing and are being careful with ventilation etc. There's been a cluster of infections from kids socialising outside of school and then it has spread on the school bus.
Heard yesterday that the Delta variant has been detected in the next town along. Lots of online messages from the local council asking people to stop socialising in groups.
It's a matter of time before it's in the high schools. I'd quite like DD to have a term in school but I wouldn't bet money on it.

Neverendingstory356 · 06/06/2021 09:17

@Waxonwaxoff0

Then I'm sorry you are in an unsafe situation as well. I'm pregnant and very worried for the safety of myself and my baby working in a school. I wouldn't want anyone to be in the situation that I am in in any setting, feeling like I cannot protect myself or my child.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 06/06/2021 09:20

I don't understand why mask wearing was removed in schools either.

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2021 09:23

Pressure from anti-lockdown group Us4Them, Wax, who had lawyers on the case and a bunch of anti-lockdown Tories onside.

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Waxonwaxoff0 · 06/06/2021 09:27

@noblegiraffe

Pressure from anti-lockdown group Us4Them, Wax, who had lawyers on the case and a bunch of anti-lockdown Tories onside.
They're doing more damage than good.
herecomesthsun · 06/06/2021 09:44

@Waxonwaxoff0

I don't understand why mask wearing was removed in schools either.
utterly bonkers. It needs to come back.
itsgettingwierd · 06/06/2021 09:54

Still keeping out of the debate but Matt Hancock has just said on Andrew Marr schools are struggling, effect in children's education due to isolations is still awful, transmission between children is extremely high, they suffer long COVID even if they don't die at a high rate and vaccination of pupils needs to be looked at as it possibly is the best solution for containing school spread. He's actually stated the situation in schools is concerning and driving community transmission too.

So at least they've admitted it even if their policy alongside this has been to remove masks 🤦🏼‍♀️

cantkeepawayforever · 06/06/2021 09:57

To be fair, locally (low case area) only 1 secondary removed mask wearing. Others have still enforced it in all communal areas, allowing mask removal only once seated in the classroom.

There's been at least 1 outbreak in almost all the secondaries since they went back in March (and I emphasise again, I live in one of those areas where cases have always been very low) so the heads have clearly decided that their H&S obligations trump Government recommendations in this case.

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2021 09:57

It all seems a bit ad hoc. I know some areas never ditched masks, and I read a post on here that said that the poster's area was reintroducing masks in schools from tomorrow.

There should be a clear government plan for tackling this, not local areas doing stuff and having to beg for government support.

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noblegiraffe · 06/06/2021 09:58

Matt Hancock's job is now to get kids vaccinated - rumour is it will be done in August ready for September rather than at school.

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CallmeHendricks · 06/06/2021 10:00

I just don't know what to say about that.
FINALLY. After all this time of gaslighting and making out we school staff are wrong about what we've been seeing with our own eyes, and he nonchalantly comes out with that as if it's always been a given.

itsgettingwierd · 06/06/2021 10:02

@noblegiraffe

Matt Hancock's job is now to get kids vaccinated - rumour is it will be done in August ready for September rather than at school.
Shame it's taken them wanting a vaccination drive in 12-16 yo to finally admit the issues occurring in education.

Those poor children who've been disrupted constantly due to isolations who will be tested alongside their peers next year who could have had been a for thought the last 15 months and not a sudden afterthought in June 2021

noblegiraffe · 06/06/2021 10:03

Are you on the app, itsgetting? I've PMed you.

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Barbie222 · 06/06/2021 10:05

@Waxonwaxoff0

I don't understand why mask wearing was removed in schools either.
Thankfully it seems the majority have asked for masks to stay.
itsgettingwierd · 06/06/2021 10:08

@noblegiraffe

Are you on the app, itsgetting? I've PMed you.
I am but I can log in
noblegiraffe · 06/06/2021 10:10

Is that right, Barbie? No masks anywhere in my area. Teachers are to wear them in corridors, which seems a bit pointless when wading through a crowd of 100 unmasked Y10s smushed into a foyer.

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Piggywaspushed · 06/06/2021 10:10

It's not about schools callme : it's about herd immunity. Can't be achieved with just adults vaccinated due to greater transmissibility (ie R) of Indian Variant.

itsgettingwierd · 06/06/2021 10:16

Just logged in.

Thanks for all supportive messages. Really helps to know it's a person and not personal.

I did have every intention of staying away but like you all - being in the thick of it actually makes you more determined to fight for the pupils!

7 weeks until summer and hopefully a decent firebreak and vaccination programme 🤞

CallmeHendricks · 06/06/2021 10:18

Sure, yes, I see that, but never before has anyone from Government even acknowledged the words 'schools' and 'transmission' in the same sentence.

ChloeDecker · 06/06/2021 10:22

@noblegiraffe

Is that right, Barbie? No masks anywhere in my area. Teachers are to wear them in corridors, which seems a bit pointless when wading through a crowd of 100 unmasked Y10s smushed into a foyer.
Exactly the same with me noble, as per the government guidance
noblegiraffe · 06/06/2021 10:24

Us4them have had a petition running for a few weeks against vaccinating kids. Even though they'll be able to opt out of it for their children if/when the time comes, it very important that no child gets vaccinated.

They really are the pits.

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noblegiraffe · 06/06/2021 10:33

On the vaccination front - the govt spent £3.7 million back in September on their campaign to make people think that schools were safe (as opposed to making them safer with e.g. ventilation).

So now they're going to have to backpedal on that campaign and spend money on another one saying that they're not safe, so vaccinate your child.

www.parentsunited.net/government-paid-3-7-million-for-back-to-school-marketing-campaign/

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