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Delta variant spreading in schools

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noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:38

Not posted one of these threads in a while but the data is starting to get interesting again.

The ONS infection survey data from yesterday shows an alarming increase in infection rates in secondary kids. The PHE survey also shows a jump in outbreaks in schools.

However the infection rates by area show that this is much more of a problem in the North West than e.g. the South West. That suggests that in certain areas, the situation is really bad and in others there's not (yet) a problem. This would suggest a localised approach (the govt are really keen not to talk about tiers).

What is obvious is that there are local variant hotspots, and in those hotspots, covid is running through schools, secondary in particular.

What to do? Stopping the spread of the variant out from those areas should be a high priority. Surge vaccination of adults won't be enough if it is spreading mostly in children. It's evident that the measures taken to stop the spread in schools from Sept-Dec were inadequate (isolation of close contacts only) so it seems clear that in those areas, far more robust tackling of cases in schools is needed -PCR testing not LFT, sending home whole year groups, proactively closing schools instead of as last resort. Schools in those areas already seem to have kept masks. We need to be hearing far more of what they are doing about schools in the news and what to expect.

There are those who would argue that the Delta variant should simply be allowed to spread now, however we know that one vaccination doesn't confer much immunity to it and it would be more prudent to wait until a much bigger proportion of the population are double-vaccinated and more fully protected.

There is also the question of allowing covid to spread through schools and the disruption to education that this would cause. The government announced yesterday that they are only willing to fund a pitiful amount of catch-up support and given that the schools affected are currently restricted to certain areas (and ones that were badly affected last year too), parents and pupils in those areas should not be expected to experience severe disruption caused by unmitigated covid spread if it can be dealt with more effectively. It would seem fair for more covid catch-up funding to be directed to those areas hardest hit but I haven't seen that proposed.

A few positive things: We've just had half term and that usually reduces infection rates in school children. Y11 and Y13 have now left, so secondary schools will have a reduced number of pupils. It's also less than 2 months to the summer holidays.

The Pfizer vaccine has just been approved in the UK for ages 12+. Vaccinating secondary children in those hotspots as a priority could be an option. Priority vaccinations for school staff there should be a no-brainer, I assume that has happened.

Unfortunately the government is currently suppressing data on the number of cases of the Delta variant in schools and there is a legal challenge to get this published. Why they are doing this is unclear. I do hope it's not because they want to pretend that schools aren't an issue until it's too late like they did before, but I don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

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CallmeHendricks · 05/06/2021 11:49

No, it's not.

cauliflowersqueeze · 05/06/2021 11:49

And teaching remotely was absolutely the pits. Nobody liked it. We want schools open but we know full well that the mitigations will never be enough because there is zero social distancing.

Scarletbutnotohara · 05/06/2021 11:49

@cauliflowersqueeze

Dr Jenny Harries, with her comments that schools are all absolutely perfectly safe while the virus was rampaging through schools in Nov/Dec time sickens me. I have no idea why these lies were not challenged more either at the time or since. They had all the data to see for themselves. Meanwhile schools were spending every single day tracking and tracing close contacts and sending kids home and knew full well they were unsafe. And even when LAs such as Greenwich told schools to close a week early before Christmas because it was getting totally out of hand, Williamson stepped in to threaten court action if they dared to go ahead. The arrogance of it all. And yet he has not been held to account for this either. Schools were sitting ducks.

Largely, schools have been treated, both from a health and an education point of view, like shit from beginning to end. It’s been an absolute disgrace.

Thank you @noblegiraffe for your informative OP.

Stop testing people and you won’t have that issue then Grin
cauliflowersqueeze · 05/06/2021 11:51

Even VanTam who I quite liked wrote himself off for me the day he did a sarcastic press conference as if he was speaking to a group of 4 year olds “are teachers safe? Yes. They. Are. Safe”
Oh fuck off behind your socially distanced podium telling us that.

cauliflowersqueeze · 05/06/2021 11:52

Yes exactly!

Flaxmeadow · 05/06/2021 11:52

If you zoom in on the map and MSOA areas (the smallest areas) in the North of England you can see that there are many side by side areas that have wildly different rates of infection. Some less than 3 cases (white), side by side with rates of over 500 per 100,000 (purple). For exmaple a neighbourhood in Bolton has 3 cases, next door to another neighbourhood with almost 600 per 100,000. This suggests to me that the virus is spreading, and being picked up, in homes not schools. I know one small town in the north are having surge testing because of a 500 per cent increase, i believe this was picked up as being from a pub

Surely if schools were spreading the virus then we wouldn't be seeing such large disparities in side by side neighbourhoods

coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/

Scarletbutnotohara · 05/06/2021 11:53

@cauliflowersqueeze

Even VanTam who I quite liked wrote himself off for me the day he did a sarcastic press conference as if he was speaking to a group of 4 year olds “are teachers safe? Yes. They. Are. Safe” Oh fuck off behind your socially distanced podium telling us that.
He’s probably sick to death of the paranoid crew as well. Yes. They. Are. Safe. The end.
Getawaywithit · 05/06/2021 11:53

Masks are still worn in all schools round here. Is that not the same everywhere then?

Lancashire? All Lancashire schools were told to continue with mask wearing because of increasing numbers in Blackburn and Darwen.

Everyone else stopped wearing them on May 17th.

itsgettingwierd · 05/06/2021 11:54

@Scarletbutnotohara

Masks are still worn in all schools round here. Is that not the same everywhere then?
No.

The government removed it as mandatory.

Some continued until half term - a lot didn't and most appear to have reduced it after half term.

I personally feel it needs to continue in corridors as a minimum and have mandatory outside at breaks and lunch to minimise the risk of isolation for students this last half term.

They deserve it

itsgettingwierd · 05/06/2021 11:57

Scarlet of school teachers are safe - why aren't other adults?

If school teachers are safe in unventilated rooms for 6 hours with no SD or masks - why aren't other adults?

I've obviously missed this report over the last year and would love the link to this. It would make me feel much safer in my classroom. Also it'll make me question if I'm actually as unsafe as they seem to think I am when I do my shopping and must by law Sd and wear a mask.

CallmeHendricks · 05/06/2021 12:00

Yes, if teachers are safe, why aren't GPs? And pharmacists? And supermarket workers? Public transport workers? And everyone else whose workplaces insist on retaining mitigations?

Scarletbutnotohara · 05/06/2021 12:02

@Getawaywithit

Masks are still worn in all schools round here. Is that not the same everywhere then?

Lancashire? All Lancashire schools were told to continue with mask wearing because of increasing numbers in Blackburn and Darwen.

Everyone else stopped wearing them on May 17th.

No, we are in Kent. But I’m only going by the local schools, and they are most probably allowing masks rather than dictating it. And the worried parents are still muzzling their children to keep them safe.
ChloeDecker · 05/06/2021 12:06

No, we are in Kent.
I can assure you that in Kent, masks are no longer worn in classrooms since 17th May but you may still see pupils having to wear them to or from school etc. Strange that isn’t it?! They have to wear them on open air train platforms but not in classrooms.

CallmeHendricks · 05/06/2021 12:07

"And the worried parents are still muzzling their children to keep them safe."

Muzzling? Aha, I see.

motherrunner · 05/06/2021 12:09

Wolverhampton LEA kept masks and also require a PCR test for pupils and school staff who are absent for ANY symptoms. Makes me feel safe as a teacher and as a parent.

ChloeDecker · 05/06/2021 12:09

Yes, I saw that Callme. Starting to show true colours.

ChloeDecker · 05/06/2021 12:10

Very sensible motherrunner!

Scarletbutnotohara · 05/06/2021 12:10

@ChloeDecker

No, we are in Kent. I can assure you that in Kent, masks are no longer worn in classrooms since 17th May but you may still see pupils having to wear them to or from school etc. Strange that isn’t it?! They have to wear them on open air train platforms but not in classrooms.
I can assure you that you until half term- at least- the local schools were still wearing masks. In the classrooms. However, they wiki be gone when we return by the sounds of it- thank fuck for that.
Scarletbutnotohara · 05/06/2021 12:11

Excuse the typos Grin

HelloMissus · 05/06/2021 12:12

I think we definitely need to have a conversation about schools in hot spots as part of a wider discussion about them.
These hot spots are extremely localised driven by things that are not going away going forward.

Scarletbutnotohara · 05/06/2021 12:12

@CallmeHendricks

Yes, if teachers are safe, why aren't GPs? And pharmacists? And supermarket workers? Public transport workers? And everyone else whose workplaces insist on retaining mitigations?
It’s hysteria. Everyone is as safe as the next person. Do you get this worried over other viruses? Or just this one.
ichundich · 05/06/2021 12:14

@cauliflowersqueeze

And teaching remotely was absolutely the pits. Nobody liked it. We want schools open but we know full well that the mitigations will never be enough because there is zero social distancing.
So you do want schools closed.
Pieceofpurplesky · 05/06/2021 12:16

North West here and in my area there is a surge in cases due to a local pub. Schools have been told to wear masks and have a PCR test before returning - all the test centres are full though. It's a nightmare

ChloeDecker · 05/06/2021 12:17

However, they wiki be gone when we return by the sounds of it- thank fuck for that.

I’m not sure how you would know that unless you worked in one of the schools and even then, you’d only know about one. Besides, what difference does it make to you if they decide to wear masks or not? It’s their bodies and choice to make.

Scarletbutnotohara · 05/06/2021 12:18

I can see that even after children are vaccinated (and I doubt the uptake will high) people will STILL be panicking. You can’t force children - or adults- to have the vaccine. FWIW I’ve had both vaccines, and pretty early on, as I’m in the vulnerable category. If I could turn back time, I wouldn’t have got sucked into the hysteria and wouldn’t have had the jab!

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