Delta Variant Appears More Severe

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Source of info here:

mobile.twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1400486742914895876

Isn't the risk of dying of the cv vaccine the same as the pill at 40? And yet, for many of us, the desire not to get pregnant overrides that risk.

@Slipperfairy no it's much worse!

Also at my age I wouidnt take the pill (40+)

You didn't actually answer if that should be put above everyone else's rights. Does your husband (or you) have no transferable skills to use in the uk?

Okay right, so you want my DH to give up a 25 year career to somehow magically transfer his skills during a pandemic? That's actually hilarious.

How about no.

Yes I am angry. More than anything this pandemic has punished those who have not to sustain the lives of those who have.

I did not vote for this government as they represent the utterly entitled views of half the people on here

[quote Remmy123]@RedcurrantPuff not kids!! And the two women who were in their early 40's wouidnt have died of CovID either!! But died of the vaccine![/quote]
Some kids have died. Not many, thankfully, but it’s not no risk to kids as an illness.

Your kids could have died of any vaccine you have given them. Of any dose of medicine.

He can absolutely continue Max, as long as people accept we won't lockdown to balance that risk. If yours I justified then so are other risks.

chocolateorangeinhaler Fri 04-Jun-21 07:05:22
And? Why are those communities in places like Bolton not pulling their fingers out of their backsides and getting the vaccine? This makes me so angry, their religious leaders have urged them to have it so have countless BAME slebs. But still uptake has been poor.

As posters local to those areas have pointed out in other threads, one of the reasons for low take up was inability to travel to the hubs where vaccines were offered. Now that centres are being set up in more accessible locations people are turning up in their droves to get vaccinated.

@RedcurrantPuff I don't want to vaccinate them. You can't convinced me otherwise.

You crack on!!

@TinaYouFatLard

I really don’t know anyone who gives a fuck anymore.

Same.

Look, it’s really not ‘utterly entitled’ to do your job, which is permitted within the guidelines, so that you can feed your family, provide tax receipts for the exchequer, stay off benefits.

It’s the opposite.

Everyone needs to take a step back and calm down. The pressure is doing strange things to people’s thinking.

[quote Remmy123]@RedcurrantPuff I don't want to vaccinate them. You can't convinced me otherwise.

You crack on!![/quote]
I don’t want to convince you, I couldn’t give a shit about you or your kids, much like you don’t give a shit about me or mine. I’m just pointing out that your reasoning is stupid.

@TheKeatingFive

but those same oh-so-selfless people don't seem to be all that forthcoming with offers of financial assistance. Weird, that.

I know, right?

All that ‘non-essential’ stuff like feeding your family and paying the mortgage. 🤔

Nothing matters except Covid for some people. They’ll twist it around to make it about Covid. For the record, I am pro vaccine and think the lockdowns were necessary but I’m sick of not being able to express any discontent on MN without the usual suspects popping up with how much worse if I had Covid.....especially because I bloody had Covid pneumonia and needed hospital admission. Yea, it was crap but other things are crap too. Many people have had it way worse. I didn’t lose my business or face eviction and my family are near enough so I can see them. Those experiences are very valid.

@RedcurrantPuff it's not stupid! I'm happy to wait what's the rush.

I'll see what happens with the other kids first - the ones whose parents 'can't wait' to get them vaccinated.

@TheKeatingFive

Look, it’s really not ‘utterly entitled’ to do your job, which is permitted within the guidelines, so that you can feed your family, provide tax receipts for the exchequer, stay off benefits.

It’s the opposite.

Everyone needs to take a step back and calm down. The pressure is doing strange things to people’s thinking.

Doing your job is not, however anticipating roll on lock downs to facilitate that is. Plenty of research shows women in abusive relationships, children and those in poverty suffer lockdown worst.

We either decide everyone gets to take personally judged risks or no one, otherwise it's a legitimised increase in the class divide.

We either decide everyone gets to take personally judged risks or no one

It’s not personally judged though, it’s within government guidelines

@HackAttack what are you talking about? If someone has to work, they have to work. Going to work is not a luxury, it's not something that anyone has personal control over if they want to pay their bills. It's the government who decides on lockdowns, not the general public.

I find it amusing that the “vaccinate the entire population right this second and let’s lockdown longer” posters are so...full on. They have the audacity to call people selfish and say people only think of themselves whilst being incredibly aggressive. That’s hardly a pleasant trait.
Ultimately, as humans, we prioritise ourselves and our loved ones. If there’s one seat left on the lifeboat and I can have it or you can have it, of course I want it! I wouldn’t kick you to get it but damn straight would I want to live so see my kids grow up. I consider myself caring about society and others but I’m going to prioritise myself and my loved ones before anyone else. Anyone who says otherwise is a bloody liar especially if you’re a parent.
I’m clinically extremely vulnerable and had a poor response to the vaccine due to my immune system. Someone else like @Waxonwaxoff0 does not need to take risks and vaccinate her young child to protect people like me - not in my name, thanks. I did not hesitate to have my vaccine but the risks are higher to me. I am not keen to vaccinated my young children yet.

Which will depend on compliance. As someone who absolutely followed the first 2 I'm done now. I will see friends and family from now on and hope the people most affected do the same. They've given enough.

[quote Remmy123]@RedcurrantPuff it's not stupid! I'm happy to wait what's the rush.

I'll see what happens with the other kids first - the ones whose parents 'can't wait' to get them vaccinated.[/quote]
While I fully respect your view not to have your children vaccinated and I am reluctant to vaccine mine, it is incredibly spiteful to make comments like this.
Remember many of those people will be scared parents who may be at serious risk from Covid themselves and rely on others being vaccinated to protect themselves further.
No need to be an arse about it. I am very grateful for all the adults who volunteered and took risks to trial the vaccines as they’ve hugely contributed towards us looking like lockdown will ease.

Fucking hell. Who starts these threads? Switch your WiFi off

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@HackAttack what are you talking about? If someone has to work, they have to work. Going to work is not a luxury, it's not something that anyone has personal control over if they want to pay their bills. It's the government who decides on lockdowns, not the general public.[/quote]
I was responding to the suggestion lockdowns are justified alongside the amount of allowed activities for other groups of society.

The government rules have been biased from the start in favour of middle/upper class. You have separated families while I know someone who spent 3 weeks in dubai for an essential chocolatier festival which was one day in length.

The cruelty of the rules is very upsetting however the clear public endorsement makes the situation hopeless.

@Slipperfairy

Isn't the risk of dying of the cv vaccine the same as the pill at 40? And yet, for many of us, the desire not to get pregnant overrides that risk.

No it's much lower than the pill.....

We either decide everyone gets to take personally judged risks or no one, otherwise it's a legitimised increase in the class divide

It's all done within the legal framework and guidelines though. He has so many tests done (before travel, every second day, on return as per guidelines) that I'm surprised he has any nasal mucosa left. He also quarantines per requirements on return. It's not a case of him swanning off ignoring the rules and regulations - these are conformed to by the letter.

Of course, you may not like the fact that international business travel is still occuring during a pandemic but you can't blame any individuals - all that would happen if DH decided to martyr himself and knock back work is that another UK-based engineer would be contracted for the job in question, so number of travellers overall would in no way be minimised.

@MaxNormal

Huge sacrifices are often needed in order to save thousands of lives

And yet, before 2020 we never bothered.
There are still millions of children dying preventable due to poverty each year. Worse now since the pandemic.
Their lives seem of as little value as ever though. No one gives a solitary shit.

Very good point @MaxNormal

Until the whole world is vaccinated variants are going to be a problem. This is when we see how useful the AZ vaccine is.