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Delta Variant Appears More Severe

257 replies

Lumene · 03/06/2021 18:46

Source of info here:

mobile.twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1400486742914895876

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Waxonwaxoff0 · 04/06/2021 13:37

@Haenow

I find it amusing that the “vaccinate the entire population right this second and let’s lockdown longer” posters are so...full on. They have the audacity to call people selfish and say people only think of themselves whilst being incredibly aggressive. That’s hardly a pleasant trait. Ultimately, as humans, we prioritise ourselves and our loved ones. If there’s one seat left on the lifeboat and I can have it or you can have it, of course I want it! I wouldn’t kick you to get it but damn straight would I want to live so see my kids grow up. I consider myself caring about society and others but I’m going to prioritise myself and my loved ones before anyone else. Anyone who says otherwise is a bloody liar especially if you’re a parent. I’m clinically extremely vulnerable and had a poor response to the vaccine due to my immune system. Someone else like *@Waxonwaxoff0* does not need to take risks and vaccinate her young child to protect people like me - not in my name, thanks. I did not hesitate to have my vaccine but the risks are higher to me. I am not keen to vaccinated my young children yet.
Thank you @Haenow it must have been an incredibly difficult time for you being CEV but I think we all put our own children and family first, that's human nature! I'll do what I feel is in DS's best interests and that's my priority. Have had the vaccine myself, I just don't want him to have it.
RedcurrantPuff · 04/06/2021 13:58

[quote Remmy123]@RedcurrantPuff it's not stupid! I'm happy to wait what's the rush.

I'll see what happens with the other kids first - the ones whose parents 'can't wait' to get them vaccinated.[/quote]
What’s the rush?!

I don’t know if you’ve noticed but there’s a pandemic on which has killed loads of people and trashed the economy and people’s mental and physical health!

Remmy123 · 04/06/2021 14:14

@RedcurrantPuff no rush to vaccinate 12 year olds!!

OliveTree75 · 04/06/2021 14:15

@Pootle40

Fucking hell. Who starts these threads? Switch your WiFi off
Grin
Arrowheart · 04/06/2021 14:19

@Pootle40

Fucking hell. Who starts these threads? Switch your WiFi off
🙌
Loubellbell · 04/06/2021 14:27

@TinaYouFatLard

I really don’t know anyone who gives a fuck anymore.
Wink
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strangeshapedpotato · 04/06/2021 15:24

@OffBad

Oh, and you don't need an economic shutdown nor school closures to stop granny from dying, because most grannies don't have jobs and even fewer go to school.
facepalm
the80sweregreat · 04/06/2021 15:42

A friend of dh, both him and his wife have been vaccinated twice now (Both over 60. )
She, and their son, have both tested positive for covid ( pcr test ) and are at home isolating feeling rough
Obviously being a 'double jabber' isn't fool proof from catching it. You still have to be careful.

Trewawgy · 04/06/2021 15:51

HackAttack I think actually you and I agree about lockdowns and who/how it affects people.

It’s just not as clear cut as “virologists can travel the world; bankers stay on zoom”

KOKOagainandagain · 04/06/2021 15:53

It's weird how a mass vaccination campaign has changed the narrative.

Exponential growth, even from a low base level, is worthy of attention. It was prior to vaccines and should be even more so now. Vaccine has failed to prevent exponential growth with a worrying doubling rate that threatens to overwhelm national health services even if severity is lower due to weight of numbers over a short period. This is disastrous for the resumption of normal service.

Prior to vaccination there was a lag between case rise, hospitalisation and death. Post partial and incomplete vaccination the lower hospitalisation and death rate at the same time as rate of cases diagnosed is heralded as a success. This was said at the start of the second wave.

Don't give a fuck? Terror? Bollocks. I am not terrified by the idea that I can't go to a pub/restaurant/cinema etc in the near future during a global pandemic. I give a fuck about friends and family and the wider community (that I rely on). My DC aren't in school but I support provision of schooling. I am a f/t carer and am not free to work outside the home but I support employment. I don't use public transport but I support it.

There is also the theory - backed by scientific understanding of the dynamic - that the vaccinated are far from bullet proof but are instead asymptomatic breeding grounds for the virus. Hence the less vulnerable become infected and eventually pass back vaccine resistant strains to the initially vulnerable but then vaccinated.

placemats · 04/06/2021 16:01

Great post KOKOagainandagain

strangeshapedpotato · 04/06/2021 16:18

@Pootle40

Slipperfairy

"Isn't the risk of dying of the cv vaccine the same as the pill at 40? And yet, for many of us, the desire not to get pregnant overrides that risk."
No it's much lower than the pill.....

FALSE

The fatality rate is much lower with clots from the contraceptive pill, but the incidence of such clots is much higher.

Overall the risk (i.e. risk of clot happening combined with the risk of said clot being fatal) posed by the pill is about 3-5 times higher than that from the vaccine.

MaxNormal · 04/06/2021 16:19

KOKOagainandagain makes vaccinating seem a bit pointless then, when you put it like that.
It's definitely been oversold in which case. Pity, because we didn't have another way out. Just more lockdowns to look forward to then?

Dustyboots · 04/06/2021 16:19

There is also the theory - backed by scientific understanding of the dynamic - that the vaccinated are far from bullet proof but are instead asymptomatic breeding grounds for the virus. Hence the less vulnerable become infected and eventually pass back vaccine resistant strains to the initially vulnerable but then vaccinated.

This makes a lot of sense.

MarshaBradyo · 04/06/2021 16:21

@KOKOagainandagain

It's weird how a mass vaccination campaign has changed the narrative.

Exponential growth, even from a low base level, is worthy of attention. It was prior to vaccines and should be even more so now. Vaccine has failed to prevent exponential growth with a worrying doubling rate that threatens to overwhelm national health services even if severity is lower due to weight of numbers over a short period. This is disastrous for the resumption of normal service.

Prior to vaccination there was a lag between case rise, hospitalisation and death. Post partial and incomplete vaccination the lower hospitalisation and death rate at the same time as rate of cases diagnosed is heralded as a success. This was said at the start of the second wave.

Don't give a fuck? Terror? Bollocks. I am not terrified by the idea that I can't go to a pub/restaurant/cinema etc in the near future during a global pandemic. I give a fuck about friends and family and the wider community (that I rely on). My DC aren't in school but I support provision of schooling. I am a f/t carer and am not free to work outside the home but I support employment. I don't use public transport but I support it.

There is also the theory - backed by scientific understanding of the dynamic - that the vaccinated are far from bullet proof but are instead asymptomatic breeding grounds for the virus. Hence the less vulnerable become infected and eventually pass back vaccine resistant strains to the initially vulnerable but then vaccinated.

What are you suggesting then is the answer?

Doesn’t sound great

strangeshapedpotato · 04/06/2021 16:22

@KOKOagainandagain

Great post but..

It's weird how a mass vaccination campaign has changed the narrative.

Has it?

What I see is the SAME people constantly trying to find reasons to ignore the experts.

First wave - "It's just flu"
Second wave - "Won't happen, everyone's immune"
Third wave - "Doesn't matter, the vulnerable are vaccinated"

Fourth wave - "We just have to live with it"

99th wave - "If only someone had suggested dealing with it properly when it first appeared"

Waxonwaxoff0 · 04/06/2021 16:23

@KOKOagainandagain

It's weird how a mass vaccination campaign has changed the narrative.

Exponential growth, even from a low base level, is worthy of attention. It was prior to vaccines and should be even more so now. Vaccine has failed to prevent exponential growth with a worrying doubling rate that threatens to overwhelm national health services even if severity is lower due to weight of numbers over a short period. This is disastrous for the resumption of normal service.

Prior to vaccination there was a lag between case rise, hospitalisation and death. Post partial and incomplete vaccination the lower hospitalisation and death rate at the same time as rate of cases diagnosed is heralded as a success. This was said at the start of the second wave.

Don't give a fuck? Terror? Bollocks. I am not terrified by the idea that I can't go to a pub/restaurant/cinema etc in the near future during a global pandemic. I give a fuck about friends and family and the wider community (that I rely on). My DC aren't in school but I support provision of schooling. I am a f/t carer and am not free to work outside the home but I support employment. I don't use public transport but I support it.

There is also the theory - backed by scientific understanding of the dynamic - that the vaccinated are far from bullet proof but are instead asymptomatic breeding grounds for the virus. Hence the less vulnerable become infected and eventually pass back vaccine resistant strains to the initially vulnerable but then vaccinated.

What's the solution then?

You say you support education, public transport, employment. How are those things supposed to continue if we carry on with restrictions?

speckledostrichegg · 04/06/2021 16:23

@strangeshapedpotato

i honestly think at the point of the 99th wave people would still be repeating "we just need to hold firm and learn to live with it "

MarshaBradyo · 04/06/2021 16:24

[quote strangeshapedpotato]@KOKOagainandagain

Great post but..

It's weird how a mass vaccination campaign has changed the narrative.

Has it?

What I see is the SAME people constantly trying to find reasons to ignore the experts.

First wave - "It's just flu"
Second wave - "Won't happen, everyone's immune"
Third wave - "Doesn't matter, the vulnerable are vaccinated"

Fourth wave - "We just have to live with it"

99th wave - "If only someone had suggested dealing with it properly when it first appeared"[/quote]
‘Ignore the experts’ such a dud line. Go back to SAGE early Feb last year

What is it you want? Ie dealing with it properly?

strangeshapedpotato · 04/06/2021 16:27

@MaxNormal

KOKOagainandagain makes vaccinating seem a bit pointless then, when you put it like that. It's definitely been oversold in which case. Pity, because we didn't have another way out. Just more lockdowns to look forward to then?
Nope - it makes having a epidemic in the middle of the vaccination campaign a worrying development.

If we'd completed vaccinating everyone first, then it would have been MUCH harder for a new variant to infiltrate.

The issue at the moment is the people predominantly meeting up are either unvaccinated or have only had one jab which with the Indian variant isn't enough to prevent infection and infectiousness.

Also consider that everytime the virus has mutated into a more transmissable form, it has become slightly deadlier too.

strangeshapedpotato · 04/06/2021 16:27

[quote speckledostrichegg]@strangeshapedpotato

i honestly think at the point of the 99th wave people would still be repeating "we just need to hold firm and learn to live with it "[/quote]
Not if most of them are dead

strangeshapedpotato · 04/06/2021 16:33

Science is a group effort. At any point in time, you can pull out quotes/papers from various scientists that are utter trash. What matters is the collective view - that's the whole point of peer review.

Feb was a ballsup because SAGE operated in secrecy AND ignored what other scientists were saying to them. By the time experts realised that SAGE were completely out of their depth, it was too late.
There's various reasons been put forward since for why SAGE were so wrong - the point is they were the minority view among qualified scientists.

Since then, they've played catchup quite well, but more importantly, you have Independent SAGE as well and the two are in complete agreement right now.

MarshaBradyo · 04/06/2021 16:36

@strangeshapedpotato

Science is a group effort. At any point in time, you can pull out quotes/papers from various scientists that are utter trash. What matters is the collective view - that's the whole point of peer review.

Feb was a ballsup because SAGE operated in secrecy AND ignored what other scientists were saying to them. By the time experts realised that SAGE were completely out of their depth, it was too late.
There's various reasons been put forward since for why SAGE were so wrong - the point is they were the minority view among qualified scientists.

Since then, they've played catchup quite well, but more importantly, you have Independent SAGE as well and the two are in complete agreement right now.

We have a system four weeks then one analysis. May date passed. June may not.

I do trust scientists, but moreover I’m sure Whitty and Vallance are more on the ball with data than mners.

Also been listening to Pollard, Bell and Ferguson plus any that speak on radio.

What do you want to happen? What restrictions do you want now?