Delta Variant Appears More Severe

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Source of info here:

mobile.twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1400486742914895876

No one expects everyone to shield for a year. I don't even expect lockdowns, I see lockdowns as a failure in the fight against covid. I feel that with people just having a bit of flipping compliance with the basics then all that could actually be avoided. But the fact that everyone just wants to be back to 2019 with absolutely no mitigations at all isn't realistic right now and is essentially what leads them into lockdowns! The pandemic doesn't have a timescale unfortunately so everyone being done with it. I fully understand people wanting to be able to spend time as normal with friends and family but really what huge hardship is it to have to then wear a mask in other spaces and to social distance from strangers if it allows us all some freedoms?
My DC was born 'healthy' contracted a 'virus' and led to them now having life long health issues. It isn't all about death with covid either and it will only be as time goes on we will see the full lifelong impacts covid may potentially have even on otherwise healthy people.

You’ll have to climb over my cold dead body to get your hands on my 12 year olds.

Same. I don't mind caution - WFH should stay and so should masks - but injecting our children, who are basically never harmed by Covid with something almost entirely untested on adolescents? Absolutely no.

Just read an article from a virologist in Dublin stating people who got the oxford vaccine in ireland and are awaiting their second dose, will be given pfizer as a second dose as he reckons the oxford vaccine gives absolutely no protection against the Delta variant. What wonderful news, it just gets better each day!!!

Quite a few children have long COVID so that it isn’t true that COVID doesn’t harm young people. And I assume there are some vulnerable children that haven’t been vaccinated

As expected too little too late by the UK government regarding these sequenced variants of vaccine escape. But what did you expect? The single key issue with British Covid attitude is - it always someone else fault or problem ie blame the government for everything when in essence many of us don’t even follow the Covid rules nor respect the science. Why do you not proactively moderate your own Covid footprint but forever be relaxed and take risks unnecessarily? In truth it is the fault of people, I, you, us, all of us as a society in which no one cares until it’s a complete disaster and then still complaining about lack of international travel options or school closures etc. We are collectively responsible for this mess especially those who imported the Indian variants fully aware that skipping quarantine (as widely reported) was only going to cheat yourself! This is the basic scientifically reason why these variants of vaccine escape are here - global mixing without frequent and accurate tests. Short sighted own goal unsustainable indifference.

@Katya213

Just read an article from a virologist in Dublin stating people who got the oxford vaccine in ireland and are awaiting their second dose, will be given pfizer as a second dose as he reckons the oxford vaccine gives absolutely no protection against the Delta variant. What wonderful news, it just gets better each day!!!

It would make sense. There’s a neutralising antibody study out tonight in the Lancet that shows the Indian variant is as troublesome for the Pfizer vaccine as the South African variant (possibly slightly worse).

We know from a clinical study earlier this year that AZ was basically useless against the South African variant, so...

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01290-3/fulltext

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

As expected too little too late by the UK government regarding these sequenced variants of vaccine escape. But what did you expect? The single key issue with British Covid attitude is - it always someone else fault or problem ie blame the government for everything when in essence many of us don’t even follow the Covid rules nor respect the science. Why do you not proactively moderate your own Covid footprint but forever be relaxed and take risks unnecessarily? In truth it is the fault of people, I, you, us, all of us as a society in which no one cares until it’s a complete disaster and then still complaining about lack of international travel options or school closures etc. We are collectively responsible for this mess especially those who imported the Indian variants fully aware that skipping quarantine (as widely reported) was only going to cheat yourself! This is the basic scientifically reason why these variants of vaccine escape are here - global mixing without frequent and accurate tests. Short sighted own goal unsustainable indifference.

Compliance within the U.K. has been astronomically high throughout. I seem to recall c.80-90%. Not only that, but the U.K. lockdown was one of the toughest in the WORLD. Finally, it’s a VIRUS, it’s going to spread?!?

If you can't wait for more people to be fully vaccinated, then you really are a selfish and horrible prick.
You seriously can't miss your little holibobs to Beni for the sake of other peoples lives? You can't wait a few months before having big gatherings, so that other people may live so they can eventually have the same with their loved ones? Are you insane?

I refer you to my username.

@OdiousPeopleEverywhere

If you can't wait for more people to be fully vaccinated, then you really are a selfish and horrible prick. You seriously can't miss your little holibobs to Beni for the sake of other peoples lives? You can't wait a few months before having big gatherings, so that other people may live so they can eventually have the same with their loved ones? Are you insane?

I refer you to my username.

I'm not fully vaccinated. Just had my first jab last week. The reason I am not fully vaccinated is because I am 30 and healthy, therefore LOW RISK.

Restrictions were NOT put in place to protect young, healthy people like myself. I'd say that if you expect people to restrict their life to protect 20 and 30 year olds, who are extremely low risk from this virus, well that is selfish. I do not expect anyone to sit around at home to protect me, go out and live your life.

Compliance within the U.K. has been astronomically high throughout. I seem to recall c.80-90%. Not only that, but the U.K. lockdown was one of the toughest in the WORLD. Finally, it’s a VIRUS, it’s going to spread?!?

Exactly there is no British attitude that stands out. Only on here / SM

OdiousPeopleEverywhere demanding that people lose their livelihoods is selfish in the extreme too, for all you sneer about Benidorn.

There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.

Just read an article from a virologist in Dublin stating people who got the oxford vaccine in ireland and are awaiting their second dose, will be given pfizer as a second dose as he reckons the oxford vaccine gives absolutely no protection against the Delta variant.

That's strange, I'm listening to the Today program on R4, they're discussing research that's shown the Pfizer vac gives little protection against the Delta variant.

There seem a lot of random comments about vaccine efficacy on this thread.

There are few double vaccinated people in hospital now. The early research suggests Pfizer x 2 is 88% effective (against symptomatic delta) and AZ is 60% effective. Hopes for AZ are higher than that as, for most, immunity is still building.

@Bolshybun

Taken from sky news today .... the vaccine appears to be holding up. We cannot panic every time there is a new variant.

Of 89 people admitted to hospital with the Indian variant, 59 (two thirds) had not been vaccinated at all. Only 3 had been double jabbed.
The rise in hospital admissions has been small in comparison - and there has been no uptick in patients needing a ventilator.

The vaccination vs hospital admission figures appear to demonstrate just how effective the vaccine is.

Given that those who have been "double-dosed" would make up 95%+ of hospital admissions in a pre-vaccine world, if the vaccine wasn't effective, there would be many hundreds more admissions in Bolton.

Exactly Hamil

We have RW data now

TheReluctantPhoenix
There seem a lot of random comments about vaccine efficacy on this thread.

Inevitable given all the random comments everywhere else. People are trying to make sense of the situation.
I'm assuming you're not complaining as you added random comments yourself

I think the government is moving towards a proportional response and we will live with it for another few years. People do need to take personal responsibility but not to extent is hugely inconvenients lives. For example I mean:

Get double vaccinated
WFH if you can
Wash hands
Wear masks publically indoors
Don’t go out if you have symptoms
Get a test if you have symptoms
Do regular LF tests

These things are all proportial responses to a virus which could potentially kill millions more.

@Littlecaf

I think the government is moving towards a proportional response and we will live with it for another few years. People do need to take personal responsibility but not to extent is hugely inconvenients lives. For example I mean:

Get double vaccinated
WFH if you can
Wash hands
Wear masks publically indoors
Don’t go out if you have symptoms
Get a test if you have symptoms
Do regular LF tests

These things are all proportial responses to a virus which could potentially kill millions more.

I actually agree with that. I’m perfectly happy to do the things on that list. It’s isolation when not sick, and being barred from seeing family and friends I have a problem with.

@Littlecaf

I think the government is moving towards a proportional response and we will live with it for another few years. People do need to take personal responsibility but not to extent is hugely inconvenients lives. For example I mean:

Get double vaccinated
WFH if you can
Wash hands
Wear masks publically indoors
Don’t go out if you have symptoms
Get a test if you have symptoms
Do regular LF tests

These things are all proportial responses to a virus which could potentially kill millions more.

I'd be fine with this, what I'm not fine with is schools and businesses shut, and banned from seeing family and friends.

@Littlecaf

I think the government is moving towards a proportional response and we will live with it for another few years. People do need to take personal responsibility but not to extent is hugely inconvenients lives. For example I mean:

Get double vaccinated
WFH if you can
Wash hands
Wear masks publically indoors
Don’t go out if you have symptoms
Get a test if you have symptoms
Do regular LF tests

These things are all proportial responses to a virus which could potentially kill millions more.

Hopefully

And we can move out of the closing things down stage