Delta Variant Appears More Severe

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Source of info here:

mobile.twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1400486742914895876

I do hope that those who think “it’s all about personal responsibility” never end up in a situation when they need carers. Or state benefits.

It is a difficult one now because I am not sure how much rolling back can be done - people have reached a limit and I think the fact that Bolton is showing signs that increased testing and vaccines are working

An announcement now that there will be a one month delay to July to tie in with getting more vaccinations done seems prudent and perhaps longer term use of masks and SD where possible

But what is the alternative? Because a large part of spread is household transmission and I suspect a willingness to stop that is long gone

Yeah I couldn't give a fuck anymore either.

If I saw bodies piling up in a country my first thought wouldn't be to travel to that country, I wouldn't need a Government to tell me that was a bad idea. This is where letting people do their own risk assessment gets us

If I saw bodies piling up in a country my first thought wouldn't be to travel to that country, I wouldn't need a Government to tell me that was a bad idea. This is where letting people do their own risk assessment gets us

Yet the government is doing a risk assessment that all this ok, so why should rest of us care if the government don't.

So why should I curtail my activities.

Listen now - twitter.com/i/spaces/1zqKVXlbYEZJB

Their livelihoods will be fucked regardless if the government allows the virus to run rampant. Do you honestly not get that?

Nope, I don't think a lot of people can see beyond their own selfish noses.

It is the same old story, it is about hospital capacity.

If hospitalisations stay low enough, another lockdown won’t be necessary. If hospitalisations rise, we will be locked down again and people will ‘give a fuck’, as they will firstly be encourage to and, if that does not work, will be made to.

At the moment vaccines do seem to work (thank god). The report was relatively optimistic about this, saying that, even first dose efficacy was only lowered by 15-20%.

If we vaccinate quickly, we will hopefully be ok here.

It is very depressing, though. But, we will win the war, our victory may just be delayed.

Taken from sky news today .... the vaccine appears to be holding up. We cannot panic every time there is a new variant.

Of 89 people admitted to hospital with the Indian variant, 59 (two thirds) had not been vaccinated at all. Only 3 had been double jabbed.
The rise in hospital admissions has been small in comparison - and there has been no uptick in patients needing a ventilator.

I don’t really care what the government is or isn’t doing. I don’t really care what the case numbers or death numbers are now. I don’t really care if I catch it or pass it on. I do care about not seeing my friends or family, so they’re who I’m focussing on and won’t stop seeing them again no matter what. I’m a lot happier for deciding this.

Is the delta varient the india varient??

@ssd

Is the delta varient the india varient??

Yes, they’ve all been renamed by WHO

@ssd,

Yes

@AnxiousAlpaca

It’s also worth pointing out that they think it COULD increase your risk of hospitalisation BUT further data is required.

This is key isn’t it

@JanFebAnyMonth

I do hope that those who think “it’s all about personal responsibility” never end up in a situation when they need carers. Or state benefits.

Not the same though is it. In this scenario you are expecting people to make huge sacrifices to their own lives. Forcing people out of work, isolating them, denying children being in school with their friends. Requiring carers is not remotely the same.

@ssd

Is the delta varient the india varient??

At least my knowledge of Greek letters will improve. After Delta it’s Epsilon - a bit lost after that!

Huge sacrifices are often needed in order to save thousands of lives.

@JanFebAnyMonth

Huge sacrifices are often needed in order to save thousands of lives.

And we've made those sacrifices. But it can't continue forever. Vaccines are here. People want to put their own families first now.

Yes we know that everyone has made huge sacrifices but will vaccines holding up the only sacrifice that should be made is a sensible delay to freedom day and holding off of foreign travel until August to get more people vaccinated. And a sensible plan for vaccinating the over 12s.

A lot of it is personal responsiblity though isn't it. Did all those people travelling overseas really need to even though they were allowed to? So you could travel overseas to see a sick relative but couldn't visit one in a care home in the UK, even if you'd had a test and worn PPE.

If you refuse the vaccine then you clearly are much more likely to catch covid so take some responsibility for yourself.

Huge sacrifices are often needed in order to save thousands of lives

And yet, before 2020 we never bothered.
There are still millions of children dying preventable due to poverty each year. Worse now since the pandemic.
Their lives seem of as little value as ever though. No one gives a solitary shit.

sensible delay to freedom day and holding off of foreign travel until August

for people working in and running business within the effected sectors, that is a further massive sacrifice, that thing you suggest so lightly as if its so easy.

I care about passing it on, as I did the flu.
I avoid gatherings if I have symptoms, and would actively avoid elderly relatives, letting others make their choices.
I don't sneeze in people's faces.
I wash my hands lots.
While not liking it, I'm willing to continue with masks in shops etc.
But I am not living my life in cowering fear of passing on a virus when I have no symptoms. Proportionate response.

If you refuse the vaccine then you clearly are much more likely to catch covid so take some responsibility for yourself.

Not everyone can be vaccinated.
Children may well not be vaccinated.
Lots of people haven’t had the opportunity to be vaccinated twice yet.
Vaccines don’t work for everyone.
British vaccine uptake has been brilliant so far.

This “those selfish idiots not getting vaccinated will ruin it for everyone” narrative is pretty tiresome now.

@MaxNormal

sensible delay to freedom day and holding off of foreign travel until August

for people working in and running business within the effected sectors, that is a further massive sacrifice, that thing you suggest so lightly as if its so easy.

But doing it now and making a plan and sticking to it is actually much better than this moving around list crap that they are doing now.

Putting it all on vaccines and saying that they need to get more second doses done before it can be opened and making plans for the industry to restart in the summer holidays I think will be the lesser of two evils.

Because all the uncertainty cant be doing any good