Fed up of being labelled an ‘anti-vaxxer’

[WilsonMilson]

Just that. I’ve expressed some concerns about the vaccines, AZ in particular.

I’m very glad we have vaccines for the elderly and vulnerable, as covid can be deadly. But, as yet we simply do not have the data on longer term outcomes from vaccines and that concerns me when we start jabbing the young and the healthy. We are already seeing blood clots with AZ becoming a serious issue.

I’d consider myself an educated and informed person. My ds has had all his routine vaccinations to now and I am not a tin foil hat wearer, flat earthier, or conspiracy loon of any description. Yet, whenever trying to initiate a sensible discussion based on science and reason, it gets shot down as conspiracy or am labelled an ‘anti-vaxxer’, which I am emphatically not.

Why is is so difficult, here and elsewhere to have a sensible discussion about this?

@AUserName12345

As of 19/5 there have been 1213 reported deaths 246,970 reports with a total of 859,841 adverse reactions across the 4 major vaccines.

Again, this is likely to be 10% of the real number.

Where are you pulling 10% from? Stats or data please and not just well probably. Also as has been said, people don't report their own deaths, there are official channels for that and medical professionals will be aware of them.

An anticancer tends to be against all vaccines. I have happily had my children and myself vaccinated against many illnesses.

I will not be having the covid vaccine yet. Why... I feel my personal risk from the vaccine is higher than if I had covid. The long term effects of this vaccine also concern me.

How many of those of you calling people like me fools also said that AZ covid jab causing blood clots was fake news when it first started being reported? Of my circle of acquaintances quite a large proportion.

I meant anti vaxxer in the first line. Autocorrect got one over on me

I was just about to say what @VanillaFlat said. Correlation is not causation.

"How many of those of you calling people like me fools also said that AZ covid jab causing blood clots was fake news when it first started being reported? Of my circle of acquaintances quite a large proportion"

I haven't seen anyone saying AZ link to blood clot a fake news, at least not on MN.

Not recently but a couple of months back people were.

@AUserName12345 I like your posts, they are very informative, thank you.

@speckledostrichegg

Which is weird because whether I have the vaccination ot not, I can still have it and spread it! Only difference is that I'm supposed to fight it off more easily. So me having it or not doesn't actually affect anyone. I'm not having it, because its too new and experimental. I don't want to be a test guinea pig. There aren't any results to study and make an informed choice, because its all happening in a whirl wind.

This is an oversimplification that is being used as an argument to not be vaccinated @Beautiful3

the level of transmission from people who are vaccinated is substantially lower than those who are not. On a population level, this makes a huge difference in terms of transmission.

As for the rest, the trial data is all publicly available which people can use to help inform their choice, as is the data from the people vaccinated in the roll out. I think it's over a billion people now who have received it.

Absolutely. Vaccines reduce transmission. If people don't want to be part of that I've no time for them and sure as hell I'll judge people who choose not to have it, as opposed to not being able to.

I wouldn't label you that.

But I was shocked at the vitriol I experienced when I expressed reservations about a vaccine given to teenage girls which protects against cervical cancer. My children have everything else but just one omission is enough to be treated horribly.

It is a kind of bigotry.

@ilovesooty why judge though? I have never said I think so.eonr having the vaccine shouldn't have it. They have made their personal choice. Why is my personal choice not okay just because it is different from yours?

Also, of thos who have had the injection, how many were told about hte yellow card reporting scheme at any point (if so what point) when they went for their vaccine?

Yes, it’s very clearly stated on the information I was given prior to getting the vaccine to take home and keep.

@KFleming

Also, of thos who have had the injection, how many were told about hte yellow card reporting scheme at any point (if so what point) when they went for their vaccine?

Yes, it’s very clearly stated on the information I was given prior to getting the vaccine to take home and keep.

That’s poorly phrased. Obviously I mean I was given the info to take home, not the vaccine..

[quote Sunshinegirl82]@AUserName12345

I also very strongly suspect that deaths following the vaccine are much less under reported than minor side effects such as a bit of a headache or a sore arm.

If someone dies a death certificate will need to be signed by a doctor, I suspect the vast majority of doctors are aware of the yellow card scheme.[/quote]
Sunshine you’re not wrong

Also if BA ccines are more problematic then look to hospitalisation spikes

Compare Israel, or Wales if you need similar profile of vaccine

Look at Bolton hospitalisation

It’s not hard to get data instead of speculation

I think of anti-vaxxer as someone who spreads the conspiracy theories which will affect peoples mental health. If you abstain for having that's your business and most people don't want to debate it.

Also, of thos who have had the injection, how many were told about hte yellow card reporting scheme at any point (if so what point) when they went for their vaccine?
I was given an information sheet before I went into the main vaccination area with that information on, then when it was my turn the staff told me to keep a hold of it for reference because it had information about side effects.

[quote 3cats4poniesandababy]@ilovesooty why judge though? I have never said I think so.eonr having the vaccine shouldn't have it. They have made their personal choice. Why is my personal choice not okay just because it is different from yours?[/quote]
Because in my view it's anti social.
I wouldn't go round asking people if they'd been vaccinated but if anyone in my circle proclaimed they were choosing to be unvaccinated as opposed to not being able to be I'd certainly limit my contact with them.
I'd regard their attitude as not only antisocial but I think they're an increased transmission risk in indoor settings too.

Was it explained to you by the person giving the vaccine or was it left to chance that you would read it (as many wont or receive the patient information leaflet AFTER the vaccine)
It's not the staff's fault or the government's fault if people don't read information that is clearly given to them!
Why is the government and the media not reporting the adverse effects and pointing people towards the yellow card scheme on the media???
Side effects are reported, unless I've been watching different news bulletins to you and have been reading different newspapers.

[quote AUserName12345]@FishandChips

www.gov.uk/drug-safety-update/yellow-card--please-help-to-reverse-the-decline-in-reporting-of-suspected-adverse-drug-reactions

The section "Dont wait for someone else to report it" highlights that only 10% of serious reactions and 2%-4% of non serious reactions are reported.

There is then a new "surprise surprise" update on there below the above stating the there is "high awareness of the yellow card scheme" and so these are not necessarily true.

I refute that there is hgh awareness of the scheme in my personal experience.

Also, of thos who have had the injection, how many were told about hte yellow card reporting scheme at any point (if so what point) when they went for their vaccine?[/quote]
When my son had his almost fatal reaction to a flu vaccine, the doctors made the yellow card report. I may have never heard of it but they certainly had. It's nonsense to suggest that a person now presenting with a blood clot in the sinus and low platelets a week after AZ vaccine would only have a ten percent chance of having that situation reported to the regulator.