Fed up of being labelled an ‘anti-vaxxer’

[WilsonMilson]

Just that. I’ve expressed some concerns about the vaccines, AZ in particular.

I’m very glad we have vaccines for the elderly and vulnerable, as covid can be deadly. But, as yet we simply do not have the data on longer term outcomes from vaccines and that concerns me when we start jabbing the young and the healthy. We are already seeing blood clots with AZ becoming a serious issue.

I’d consider myself an educated and informed person. My ds has had all his routine vaccinations to now and I am not a tin foil hat wearer, flat earthier, or conspiracy loon of any description. Yet, whenever trying to initiate a sensible discussion based on science and reason, it gets shot down as conspiracy or am labelled an ‘anti-vaxxer’, which I am emphatically not.

Why is is so difficult, here and elsewhere to have a sensible discussion about this?

Can only speak for myself having had 1st AZ but refusing the 2nd (ongoing headaches) …if someone called me an anti-vaxxer it would just make me double down on my position.

It’s clearly a lazy term & certainly not a case of one label fits all.

And long Covid @AUserName12345? Nothing to worry about either right. Younger people are going to be living with the effects of that far longer than they are the side effects of the vaccine.

I go back to my original point. Those who do not take the vaccine are leeching into the protection generated by those who do.

I didnt say those dieing on ventilators were dieing of covid did I? Gyess what, people are placed on venilators with pneumonia that can be and is caused by flu and other illnesses.

Ahhh covid denier conspiracy theorist, possibly worse or at least on par with anti vaxxers. No point engaging with this one.

Firstly I havent called anyone "sheeple"
You've alluded to exactly the same concept in your posts though.

Secondly I dont belive many peole are aware of the yellow card scheme (subjective I accept)
Yes, very subjective, which makes your insistence that people weren't provided with the information mildly amusing.
You've done a very good job of insulting people's intelligence and bringing their ability to give informed consent based on nothing more more the people you know might not have heard of something.

Thirdly What use is it in telling someone who is at an appointment for a specific purpose with a limited amount of time about the yellow card scheme if they have not been encouraged to look into it previously.
The point is that if they've decided to have a vaccine, they can (as with any medication) report any side effects.

@AUserName12345

Did you know that as ALL the vaccines are only on an "Emergency Use Licence" if a person taking them has an "adverse reaction" such as a blood clot which becomes a stroke which leads to partial paralysis then if they have private medical insurance it wont pay out for their ongoin life long treatment. If they have life insurance and they die the life insurane wont pay out. No insurer will pay out for "emergency use" authorised intervention.

Just a thought!

If you want the latest regulator stats on "adverse" reactions to the vaccines in a useable format then you can find them on the Uk Column website under the yellow card scheme.

Bear in mind these are probably only 10% of the actual total as not many people seem to know about the reporting scheme

Tbf Private Medical Insurance wouldn't pay out for life long care for anything as policies don't cover chronic conditions. So they would equally not cover life long conditions caused by covid/long covid.

@Fishandhips agree with you, to the extent I think the whole post should come down.

@AUserName12345

It seems clear that you are a covid denier. If you don't really believe in covid then for me that massively impacts your credibility on all subjects, including vaccines. It also makes me suspect that the sources from which you gather your information are likely to have a covid denial/anti vax agenda.

I think they are leeching yes. People who simply refuse to have the vaccine without it being medically contraindicated are riding on the protection to society offered by those who do take the vaccine up when eligible.

I can fully understand a pregnant woman not wanting to have the vaccine until she's given birth.

I’m very glad we have vaccines for the elderly and vulnerable, as covid can be deadly. But, as yet we simply do not have the data on longer term outcomes from vaccines and that concerns me when we start jabbing the young and the healthy

“I’m happy for the vaccines to be fully tested on elderly and vulnerable people so I can be certain if I’m going to take it”

Nice.

@somgreatapollo

I've read a few things about this vaccine on all sorts of forums. Honestly though to describe people not having it as leeching - it's a new low. You ought to be both embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves.

Why? If they're riding on the back of other people's willingness to take up the vaccine that's what they're doing. I specifically only attached that to those who are vaccine refusers, not those for whom it is medically contraindicated or haven't yet been offered it.

@AUserName12345 I've had a flu vaccine and a pneumonia vaccine as it happens but I don't think it's comparable. We haven't had a flu pandemic resulting in world disruption.

It’s like any kind of societal redistribution. Those who can take the vaccine do so in order to protect those who can’t. Yes there’s a benefit to the individual, but the net benefit of contributing to society is greater.

It's become exactly like the trans issue. Simply dare to look into it a bit more, or to question it, and you are slapped with a derogatory label designed to make people shun and shame you into submission.

"Antivaxxer" is an American slang term which has nothing to do with the covid jab, which isn't even a vaccine.

@ilovesooty no, my attention span isn’t short, thanks - they’re on different pages. Your first comment is the last one at the end of page 1 and I replied to it when I read it. So apologies that I didn’t think to first turn to page 2 to read your correction before I replied.

@AUserName12345 there’s a difference between free speech and disinformation. You’re spreading disinformation and you know it.