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Feeling down, is the 21st unlikely?

242 replies

WaitroseAldi · 27/05/2021 19:40

I keep reading on here and on the news that it’s unlikely to happen on the 21st. I feel so down about it. We had so many plans that will have to be cancelled. It feels like some normality then back 10 steps :(

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Whatever9999 · 29/05/2021 20:46

@cantkeepawayforever

That's a lonely intolerable existance. In what way does using face masks, keeping reasonable distance, being aware of virus safety equate to a lonely intolerable existance?

Pubs and restaurants are open, we can meet friends and family involved, we can celebrate life events, we can travel within reason (and further afield with quarantine), shops, universities and schools are open?

You are trying to set up a false dichotomy - between ignoring the virus and being fully locked down. There is a very large middle ground of 'living sensibly with the virus', that avoids lockdowns, that avoids pointless and avoidable deaths, but does require a small number of generally low level restrictions.

Ok I'll bite

People wearing masks means that I (and thousands like me) feel.even more socially isolated than we did anyway. Those that rely on lip reading are unable to effectively communicate (I'm not deaf, but I know of deaf people that are struggling)
Those that have autism (as I do) and struggle to work out social cues with an unmasked face let alone when we only have the eyes (which most of us can't actually look people in) to help us try and decipher the meaning behind the spoken words are stuck not even bothering to attempt to communicate. Those of us with sensory processing issues, who are overwhelmed by the sight of all the masks, who struggle to isolate a single voice in an even slightly noisy situation (for me it's even being outside where cars are going past), are unable to effectively communicate and live our (semi) independent lives.
Those of us that can't wear masks (sensory processing issues again), are regularly subject to abuse, even if its only glares.

There has to come a point where this stops, this is not living with covid, this is still having covid be the be all and end all.

There are some real doom-mongers on this (and other threads) always the same few people. OK, so I guess for you expecting the worse helps you, but for the rest of us we need hope.
Yes cases have risen (but let's be honest, we were told to expect that), admissions have risen slightly, but importantly the number of people actually in hospital is still slowly reducing. Deaths are at a level where really I don't think it helps that we are told how many on a daily basis. We've always been told there will be an "acceptable" number of deaths (and hospitalisation), perhaps now is the time for the daily updates on deaths to move to weekly, or simply to say less than a certain number. Numbers will be bumpy now they are so low, small increases will translate to large percentage increases. Where I live we have had 8 cases in the wider district in the last week, this translates to a 166% increase over last week, but in reality is most likely just one family over a couple households. (And we still have a district wide rate of 4/100000).
Yes I may be one of the worst for.obsessing over numbers (damn autism again), but even I can see we need to move away from the daily updates. Local health authority data is updated weekly, perhaps this needs to be repeated at a higher level now.

bookworm14 · 29/05/2021 20:54

The idea that ‘distancing’ is a minor inconvenience that we can put up with indefinitely is bollocks. Multiple industries cannot survive if we distance forever.

LovelyLadyLily · 29/05/2021 21:03

There's nothing we can do after 21st that I care about anyway tbh.

PrincessNutNuts · 29/05/2021 21:04

As IF it's going to be over, or even very much better while our government continues to let new variants in and allow high cases which leads to new variants

You can't "live with" this virus.

That's a recipe for more mutation leading to fitter variants which are better adapted to infecting humans and have more vaccine escape than B.1.617.2.

tobee · 29/05/2021 21:23

Even though we live with plenty of other viruses?

tobee · 29/05/2021 21:25

There are tons of variants of plenty of viruses that are constantly in circulation and have been for centuries. We live alongside them with barely a thought.

tobee · 29/05/2021 21:28

Even in New Zealand, with its much vaunted zero Covid ethos, will have to come to terms with that. Even if everyone is fully vaccinated. The whole idea of zero Covid makes me pretty angry. It's pushing for a dream. It's ridiculously optimistic. How many diseases have been totally eliminated compared to ones still around?

tobee · 29/05/2021 21:31

Same goes for this concept that you can close borders for x amount of months or years and then no new variants will be let in. When could you be sure they can be safely opened?

We need mitigation.

IcedPurple · 29/05/2021 21:31

@tobee

There are tons of variants of plenty of viruses that are constantly in circulation and have been for centuries. We live alongside them with barely a thought.
Ah, but this is the most varienty virus that ever variented!
HairyFloppins · 29/05/2021 21:35

You can't "live with" this virus.

What do we do then? Australia are still getting imported cases we can't stay shut forever. Vaccines won't cover all these new variants.

Do we call you queen nut nuts now after today's wedding?

tobee · 29/05/2021 21:46

Even Prof Christina Pagel says we should need to just keep this level of restrictions for a couple more months. She's not exactly known for being an optimist on Covid.

TruelyStruttingHotpants · 29/05/2021 21:50

@tobee

Even Prof Christina Pagel says we should need to just keep this level of restrictions for a couple more months. She's not exactly known for being an optimist on Covid.
Don't know what you mean. She is always so bubbly and positive 🙃
tobee · 29/05/2021 21:59

Wotcha @TruelyStruttingHotpants

newnortherner111 · 29/05/2021 22:06

An announcement will be made on June 14th. Let's hope the press conference or announcement in the House of Commons starts on time, given how much people are hoping.

I am beginning to think not all restrictions on large gatherings will be lifted, and perhaps face coverings will still be required in certain settings.

countrygirl99 · 29/05/2021 22:08

@PrincessNutNuts

As IF it's going to be over, or even very much better while our government continues to let new variants in and allow high cases which leads to new variants

You can't "live with" this virus.

That's a recipe for more mutation leading to fitter variants which are better adapted to infecting humans and have more vaccine escape than B.1.617.2.

We live with plenty of infectious diseases and our ancestors coped with even more. We will get used to this one and live normal lives.
BogRollBOGOF · 29/05/2021 22:16

People wearing masks means that I (and thousands like me) feel.even more socially isolated than we did anyway. Those that rely on lip reading are unable to effectively communicate (I'm not deaf, but I know of deaf people that are struggling)
Those that have autism (as I do) and struggle to work out social cues with an unmasked face let alone when we only have the eyes (which most of us can't actually look people in) to help us try and decipher the meaning behind the spoken words are stuck not even bothering to attempt to communicate. Those of us with sensory processing issues, who are overwhelmed by the sight of all the masks, who struggle to isolate a single voice in an even slightly noisy situation (for me it's even being outside where cars are going past), are unable to effectively communicate and live our (semi) independent lives.
Those of us that can't wear masks (sensory processing issues again), are regularly subject to abuse, even if its only glares.

There has to come a point where this stops, this is not living with covid, this is still having covid be the be all and end all.

There are some real doom-mongers on this (and other threads) always the same few people. OK, so I guess for you expecting the worse helps you, but for the rest of us we need hope.
Yes cases have risen (but let's be honest, we were told to expect that), admissions have risen slightly, but importantly the number of people actually in hospital is still slowly reducing. Deaths are at a level where really I don't think it helps that we are told how many on a daily basis. We've always been told there will be an "acceptable" number of deaths (and hospitalisation), perhaps now is the time for the daily updates on deaths to move to weekly, or simply to say less than a certain number. Numbers will be bumpy now they are so low, small increases will translate to large percentage increases. Where I live we have had 8 cases in the wider district in the last week, this translates to a 166% increase over last week, but in reality is most likely just one family over a couple households. (And we still have a district wide rate of 4/100000).
Yes I may be one of the worst for.obsessing over numbers (damn autism again), but even I can see we need to move away from the daily updates. Local health authority data is updated weekly, perhaps this needs to be repeated at a higher level now.

This so very, very much.

SALT referals are going up because young children have not had adequate exposure to clear, uninhibited speech and variety of social conract beyond their household.

My friends have been unable to open their micro-pub since March 2020 because two tables inside and one outside is not a viable business model. It was very successful pre-Covid. If SD is not dropped in the near future they will give up and I don't blame them.

Amateur sports people can't learn skills adequately... solo, non-contact martial arts? This will affect development into professional levels in the future. Reduced capacities cutting opportunities for children to learn a range of sports/ activities.

Restrictions on volunteering. School aren't letting parents help, so that's less reading, less interventions to support SEN children.

Can't reliably run a full Guiding/ Scouting programme. We're trying to run them outside. Some activities that are naturally done outside are fairly poor weather resistant, but other traditionally indoor activities are high risk for cancelling at short notice because you can't do them outdoors in the pouring rain or high winds. Many crafts and cooking can't be done at all outside. We "can" go indoors, half a unit at a time with 11+ mumbling through masks, but that's too grim and awkward so we're trying to maximise use of the light evenings.

Social distancing and masks are a death by a thousand cuts and permeate through so much of life. If people want to WFH and live an insular, home based life, crack-on, just stop obstructing the rest of us.

Vaccination reduces Covid to just another cold-flu league illness. We have to live normally with that because the current measures are totally unsustainable. Life is finite. Sometimes unpredictably so, often though where it is sad, but not shocking.

Public mental health took a battering over the winter. We can't sustain squandering another summer and enduring another winter like the one we've just suffered.

Drawcilla · 29/05/2021 22:19

I don’t think we should do all this indefinitely but or forever at all. But June 21st is too soon unless we want another lockdown. I don’t! Living with it means living with mitigation’s for now... then very slowly taking them away. This time next year we could be normal again if we don’t rush with wishful thinking

Drawcilla · 29/05/2021 22:20

Adding... Once everyone has been double vaccinated we will be in a better place. June 21st isn’t it. Not with the variant. I don’t want another lockdown

countrygirl99 · 29/05/2021 22:20

Anyway, numbers in hospital are down again despite the IV. Probably that is because in hotspots like Bedford there are hardly any cases in the most vaccinated age groups.

IcedPurple · 29/05/2021 22:28

@Drawcilla

I don’t think we should do all this indefinitely but or forever at all. But June 21st is too soon unless we want another lockdown. I don’t! Living with it means living with mitigation’s for now... then very slowly taking them away. This time next year we could be normal again if we don’t rush with wishful thinking
Define 'very slowly'.

And normal again 'this time next year'? No. To hell with that.

Method · 29/05/2021 22:28

So much depends on the 21st June for me and none of these events involve licking a stranger in a club. My DC has a series of transition events at their new school that won't happen unless the restrictions ease. Things will be so stressful if it doesn't happen. Our family is abroad and we all miss them so much. I feel so down.

IcedPurple · 29/05/2021 22:29

@Drawcilla

Adding... Once everyone has been double vaccinated we will be in a better place. June 21st isn’t it. Not with the variant. I don’t want another lockdown
What about the next variant?

And the variant after that?

Drawcilla · 29/05/2021 22:30

Depends on the data. But hopefully we can start once everyone is double vaccinated . The first is evading the new variant for many but the second is holding strong.

Drawcilla · 29/05/2021 22:32

Hopefully the boosters keep ahead of the variants.

It history tells us anything... the variants won’t keep getting stronger forever.

Pandemics tend to last around two years.

IcedPurple · 29/05/2021 22:33

@Drawcilla

Depends on the data. But hopefully we can start once everyone is double vaccinated . The first is evading the new variant for many but the second is holding strong.
"Everyone" is never going to be double vaccinated. There will always be people who can't or won't take the vaccine.
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