Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Covid

Mumsnet doesn't verify the qualifications of users. If you have medical concerns, please consult a healthcare professional.

Feeling down, is the 21st unlikely?

242 replies

WaitroseAldi · 27/05/2021 19:40

I keep reading on here and on the news that it’s unlikely to happen on the 21st. I feel so down about it. We had so many plans that will have to be cancelled. It feels like some normality then back 10 steps :(

OP posts:
picturesandpickles · 28/05/2021 19:55

@AlecTrevelyan006

Important to keep context. This is the only disease we get daily updates on. We forget in UK 1,000 people daily diagnosed with cancer or 1,500 dying. Covid is currently not causing death or significant problems on the NHS so, IMO, we need to get used to it as vaccines make it a mild disease.
Don't think anyone does forget this, it is a shade patronising to assume that those of us who are mildly concerned about the current data don't know that cancer exists!

It is because we don't want cancer or other health treatment again disrupted that we must ensure this situation is carefully overseen.

pinkpanther84 · 28/05/2021 20:18

I hope the 21st June goes ahead, for me personally I have my wedding in July which has been rearranged 3 times already. I can't go through with rearranging again. We would have to more than half our numbers if they keep to the current restriction of 30

Idontwantarow · 28/05/2021 21:07

I’m in the same boat @pinkpanther I’ve got everything crossed!!!!

Drawcilla · 28/05/2021 21:25

@AlecTrevelyan006

Important to keep context. This is the only disease we get daily updates on. We forget in UK 1,000 people daily diagnosed with cancer or 1,500 dying. Covid is currently not causing death or significant problems on the NHS so, IMO, we need to get used to it as vaccines make it a mild disease.
Thanks for telling us what we think and forget. You’re wrong. I know damn well how many other illnesses there are that’s why I don’t want another wave to affect the nhs. Letting the virus rip overwhelms the nhs and stops all treatments not lockdowns. Your lot have caused more suffering from all illnesses this past year.
Inastatus · 28/05/2021 21:39

@AlecTrevelyan006

It’s been suggested (hoped?) by some that once the most vulnerable have been vaccinated the perception will shift pretty instantaneously and then people will be happy to crack on and deal with something that has a threat at or below that of common flu. I wasn’t sure, because I could sense that people were taking their lead on feeling safe from what they were told via mainstream information sources.

Well, where are we now? Those who account for 99% of deaths from COVID are almost all fully vaccinated and the vaccines are going into the arms of many way, way down the risk list. What is often misrepresented about the efficacy of vaccination is the reduction in risk it poses.

I have seen much of the discussion about the protection afforded to the disease by vaccination as describing it in percentage terms. The numbers around the Pfizer and AZ vaccines are that 1 jab provides about 80% protection which then jumps to over 90% following the booster shot.

With the dialogue being such, it is easy to think that if you went from unvaccinated to 1 shot protected to, finally, 2 shot protected that you have gone from 0% protected, to 80% to 90% +. However, this is not the actual risk faced by you.

The risk to any individual without vaccination varies, but for most of the population under the age of 60, there was a much less than 1% chance of getting seriously ill and dying from COVID-19. Thus, the protection of 80% then 90% (following the first and second doses, respectively) is in terms of reduction of the already small risk that was posed.

The protection in percentage terms issued by the vaccine manufacturers relates to risk of serious illness versus placebo in the trials - not absolute risk. So, of course, the more vulnerable you were to COVID before vaccination, the greater the net effect on your overall protection is from the jab.

So - as we reach a stage where the most vulnerable are about as protected as they can possibly be, what more needs to change for them to feel sufficiently safe? I argue that the narrative has to change. The Govt - having utilised the media to propagate the sense of fear to corral behaviours - now need to hit reverse quickly to start trying to undo that. Reassure. Demonstrate that people are as protected as is possible and change perceptions.

If we’re waiting for the masses to change their mind, and then have action follow that, we’ll be waiting forever such is the total disparity for most people between the actual risk they face versus the risk they perceive that they face.

Excellent post
AlecTrevelyan006 · 28/05/2021 21:56

@Drawcilla my lot???

I'm just a random bloke on the internet with literally no influence or power over anything to do with Covid

musicalfrog · 28/05/2021 21:58

I'm sure it'll be OK OP. Chin up!

pinkpanther84 · 28/05/2021 22:54

@Idontwantarow definitely crossing everything!

Drawcilla · 28/05/2021 23:03

You’ve been advocating against measures for the past year. Public opinion is infectious and it sways our fair weather PM. I’m sure you mean well but you often do the very damage you claim to rail against.

PorkAPoe · 28/05/2021 23:04

Fat chance of getting anyone to follow another lockdown anyway.

No way in hell will I ever not see my family or friends again.

sleepwouldbenice · 28/05/2021 23:27

[quote Overthebow]@SonnetForSpring they are going to be waiting a long time if they’re waiting for the public to get behind another lockdown. We shouldn’t need one, the vaccines are working. And to be honest if they aren’t then we are going to have to do something other than lockdown anyway because we cannot be kept in lockdown forever.[/quote]
So you have all the data to prove this? Funny how you know this as a fact when scientists and data analysts don't have this information for certain yet

tobee · 28/05/2021 23:27

Seems like the op is only posting once?

TheClaws · 29/05/2021 02:14

It’s been suggested (hoped?) by some that once the most vulnerable have been vaccinated the perception will shift pretty instantaneously and then people will be happy to crack on and deal with something that has a threat at or below that of common flu. I wasn’t sure, because I could sense that people were taking their lead on feeling safe from what they were told via mainstream information sources.

AlecTrevelyan006* This is what you believe? COVID is somewhat more than a common flu. Additionally, you are forgetting that not all vulnerable people can be vaccinated through no fault or choice of their own. So it isn't necessarily a clear "vaccinate all the vulnerable, then let everyone crack on with life" message - which you have been pushing for at least a year now?

Waxonwaxoff0 · 29/05/2021 04:31

@PorkAPoe

Fat chance of getting anyone to follow another lockdown anyway.

No way in hell will I ever not see my family or friends again.

Same here. And I think most people will feel the same. They can force businesses to close again but I will carry on going into people's houses.
LyndaLaHughes · 29/05/2021 04:35

@SonnetForSpring

I'm not sure 1 week is going to have a significant impact
It has in every other school holiday- the October half term for one- which was also only a week. The activities people will do in half term are still governed by rules with social distancing etc whereas measures in schools are practically non existent, regardless of the lies peddled by the government and the media. If 30 children aren't crammed together in one room- that is clearly less of an opportunity for the virus to spread.
Overthebow · 29/05/2021 04:51

@PorkAPoe

Fat chance of getting anyone to follow another lockdown anyway.

No way in hell will I ever not see my family or friends again.

Yes exactly. No one I know would follow another lockdown.
picturesandpickles · 29/05/2021 05:27

Public opinion on lockdowns has been remarkably stable, if one were needed I expect a similar proportion of people would support it.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 29/05/2021 05:45

@picturesandpickles

Public opinion on lockdowns has been remarkably stable, if one were needed I expect a similar proportion of people would support it.
I don't think so. There were big differences between March 2020 lockdown and January 2021 lockdown. In March 2020 the streets were literally dead, there were a handful of children at school, queues at the supermarkets. In January there were up to 75% of children in some schools, much more traffic, much more people out.
Waxonwaxoff0 · 29/05/2021 05:48

Plus this time around many people have been vaccinated. That's a major difference from January and is already leading to less compliance.

countrygirl99 · 29/05/2021 06:07

@Waxonwaxoff0

Plus this time around many people have been vaccinated. That's a major difference from January and is already leading to less compliance.
And in the IV hotspot where I live virtually all the cases are in the under 50s. People look at that and realise that the vaccines are making a massive difference.
Tigresswoods · 29/05/2021 06:42

It's propaganda. We've had it all along. Basically it's "behave yourselves this weekend or it'll be taken away".

I don't mind & I understand why they do it but it is unsettling.

Wellbythebloodyhell · 29/05/2021 08:25

I'm unsure if June 21st will go ahead but I cant see us going back a step either

MarshaBradyo · 29/05/2021 08:27

@Wellbythebloodyhell

I'm unsure if June 21st will go ahead but I cant see us going back a step either
This is my take too
MarshaBradyo · 29/05/2021 08:29

On public compliance it’s needed strong messaging ie climbing hospitalisation and deaths

Thankfully we don’t have that, hopefully hospitalisation will remain manageable

Temp023 · 29/05/2021 08:30

I have plans that are going ahead regardless, enough is more than enough!

Swipe left for the next trending thread