Anyone not having vaccine , why aren't you?

[LazyDaisy10]

Is anyone not having the vaccine and what are your reasons? Im in my 30s I'm not having the vaccine because I'm worried about the long term effects that might not come to light for a few years. Why are you not having it?
If you think the vaccine is amazing and anyone not having it is selfish you probably don't need to comment.

@shitstirrer

would love to know the biological mechanism that enables a vaccine to cause cancer, please enlighten me

That biological mechanism is only found on that person who posted that and it is called ignorance or idiocy and is caused by lack of proper education

@OodieWoodie

I do think the OP has a point. The long term consequences of the vaccine are still not known.

I had my first dose last week and will not be having my second. I have been very ill since having it. I have been told these are normal side effects. I have also been told it cannot possibly be the vaccine and I must have caught something else. Interesting, considering that I WFH and have managed to not be sick for a number of months. Any time I have been ill, a member of my household who works/attends school outside of the home has been ill prior to me getting ill. But not this time. And I am the only one who has been vaccinated in my home.

People have a right to choose what medical services they receive. You can still catch and spread covid even after having two doses of the vaccine, so I'm not really sure how having the vaccine stops the spread?

People are back to some sort of normalcy and the deaths are down to 2 digits - what in your opinion has made this change if it's not vaccine? people developed herd immunity sitting indoors?

@XenoBitch

I wont be having the vaccine.. at least not via a needle (severe needle and medical phobia). The risk to my mental health is too great. I hope that is a good enough reason for the people out there that feel the need to police these things and call people selfish.

for heaven's sake - they use a fresh needle! gosh so many idiots around!

@Parker231

I’ve had one AZ vaccine and the second one is next week - I will definitely be having it. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t want the vaccine. I am very surprised with the amount of data available that people can’t work out that the risks from the vaccine are incredibly low. I’m looking forward to my life returning to normal now I am protected.

I know a few people who don't want vaccine - and surprisingly they are all flat Earthers😅

@shadesofblack

Where did I say anything about the needle being fresh? How the fuck did you come to the conclusion that I think they use the same needle for everyone? Do you have no idea what a phobia is or what?
And since when has a phobia meant someone is an idiot? It is a recognised mental health condition.

[quote XenoBitch]@shadesofblack

Where did I say anything about the needle being fresh? How the fuck did you come to the conclusion that I think they use the same needle for everyone? Do you have no idea what a phobia is or what?
And since when has a phobia meant someone is an idiot? It is a recognised mental health condition.[/quote]
oh sorry wasn't aware of the mental condition!

@Parker231

www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/adhocs/12171numberandproportionofclinicallyextremelyvulnerableindividualsbywhethertheynormallyworkandagegroup14mayto30june2020england/clinicallyextremelyvulnerablewhonromallyworkbyagegroup.xlsx

So the clinically vulnerable, many thousands who have jobs, should just lock themselves away?

No, the majority of CV people have been vaccinated. I believe the pp was referring people who can’t be vaccinated. I agree that it’s up to them whether they want to take the risk of going out. They could come into contact with lots of non-immune people that could put them at risk - children, young people, pregnant women, other people who can’t be vaccinated or vaccinated people who aren’t immune. There are no guarantees.

@samthebordercollie

If you look at the VAERS website and search for the number of deaths following all vaccinations the stats are interesting. 37% of all deaths going back to 1968 occured in 2021. And we are only in May. My uncle is a vegetable, he'll be dead in a month following a stroke a couple of weeks after his Astro Zenica vaccination. He is 73, doesn't smoke, not overweight, not a drinker. Of cause correlation isn't causation but it's a bit strange, nevertheless. I know lots of people who have shingles following the jab. I won't be having it despite being 55 - I run daily, I'm slim and healthy and I had covid last month so have some immunisation and anyway now don't qualify for the vaccination for the next 6 months. I was lucky it was just a sore throat and some muscle fatigue (running was hard). I'm not an anti vaxxer, my kids have had all their other vaccinations, but I don't like the way a lot of scientists and doctors who express concerns are being stifled by Youtube, BBC, Facebook etc.

The ppl who ate stifled are the ones posting inaccurate or false information about Covid or the vaccines. These peoples claims have been disproven and are rightly removed.

What are do you live in that they've not called over 50s for their first vaccination?

What are do you live in that they've not called over 50s for their first vaccination?
France. The over 50's had just started to be called for vaccination when I caught Covid.

@HandlebarLadyTash

I dont really understand the big love/ hate.

Have the vaccine or dont it's a choice

People aren't sheep for taking it neither are they part of some enlightened cartel for not taking it.

Yup it hasn't been tested for 10 yrs or so flip side if you had a horrible illness & there was a chance that a new trial medicine would help recovery would you take it. - Theres plenty of GoFundMe me pages raising money for trial medicine that the NHS doesn't offer.

We poison ourselves everyday, junk food, caffeine, breathing in car fumes, medication ....

I'm just sick of the propaganda from both sides this is not a war.
I think some people just have too much time on their hands and enjoy a fight.

Well said!

@speckledostrichegg

You are mistaken. This is the study of a SARS coronavirus vaccine (not the 1988 kitten study)

It is from 2012 and used mice.

This is the conclusion of the study:

Conclusions: These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.

pdfs.semanticscholar.org/962c/58e6dc9c1ea550eb51ce70b0d7c83dc7eff6.pdf

Hello, jumping in with comments/questions about second AZ jab. I had my first in late March and became one of the AZ headache people. Daily headache (untouched by strong painkillers), sharp pains behind eyes, numb tingling arm/leg (side of jab). Also experienced migraine aura, dizziness and brain fog. I think I had Covid March/April 2020 and many of the weirder symptoms returned. Also experienced double vision but that could have been computer use (all checked by optometrist and all well there).

However, around 5-6 post jab I had a sudden increase in dark eye floaters that have been very debilitating. I am convinced these are linked to the AZ jab. Anyone else experienced this too?

Am now really unsure about having the second jab in the next few days and close to cancelling. Surely, these vaccines should not be having such extreme and long-lasting effects?

Any thoughts or reassurance from fellow headache suffers would be much appreciated!

Hi, I am in this long term side effect club!
I had the first dose of AZ 12 weeks ago. I have cancelled my second dose. I had around 11 weeks of daily headaches, many weeks of light sensitivity, occasional jabs of pain behind eyes, occasional pain moving eyes, random shocks in my teeth, tingling on face, fingertips, feet and legs, slightly wobbly on legs at times/off balance a tiny bit.
I have just spoken to my GP, and asked him if other people were going ahead with their second dose of AZ if they still had side effects from the first. He was understanding, and could see why I was reluctant to have my second dose. However, there is definitely an attitude that these long term AZ side effects are acceptable.
Well, enough is enough! I just could not walk into the centre today for my second dose whilst still feeling the effects of the first. I hope I don't come to regret not going.
I have found a significant number of people on here who have or have had many weeks of headaches after AZ. These have all had the rare clotting issue ruled out. So what is going on with AZ? I don't see the mRNAs vaccines giving people the same long term side effects.
I am very disappointed I am not getting a second dose to complete my Covid protection, I feel let down plus I am seriously wondering how much monitoring of headaches etc AstraZeneca did in the trials - I mean did they check that mild side effects were short lived? I am sure there must have been some in the trial that still had headaches, tingling etc some weeks on........

I wish I didn’t have it but I’ll have the second dose as it’s done now and I don’t ever want to be restricted in where I can go. Feel terrible 2.5 weeks after my vaccine though and I don’t want to live like this if it persists. Can only hope it doesn’t!

It is perfectly reasonable for people to refuse the vaccine. However they should also pay an extra 10p in the £ income tax to pay for their selfishness

@HalfCakeHalfBiscuit

It is perfectly reasonable for people to refuse the vaccine. However they should also pay an extra 10p in the £ income tax to pay for their selfishness

Should? How? Or are you making this up?

I have had it and as of yesterday I am now fully vaccinated. I’m 33. Truthfully I wasn’t going to get it, but if I have any hope of seeing elderly family this year I needed to have it. No one has pushed me and even if they did I have my own mind and make my own decisions. I have no problems with those who do not want to have it. Each to thier own but do not complain if you suffer from COVID because you’ve not had it. I hate when people try to push thier opinions on people. Respect peoples decisions and just agree to disagree if you don’t like it.

We are being given no information on how well naturally acquired immunity is faring against vaccination immunity. You cannot insist people in this group are vaccinated without giving people verifying data to back it.

We are not being given the information. If you have naturally acquired immunity, what is the relative risk. We are not told.

Where are the 'gold standard' studies to back these claims of superior protection through vaccination? There have been none. They also demand these 'gold standard' proofs for other therapeutics, but where the Covid vaccines are concerned, proof in favour of the vaccines seems to be a set at a much lower bar.

I've read nothing to explain why a vaccine that utilises a synthesised part of the virus can provide anything but equal protection as compared to full exposure to the wild virus. Surely, the mechanism produces identical (at best) protection & nothing ‘superior’ ?

It also seems like most of mumsnet are in favour of the vaccine but in real life, for me anyway, it’s not the case. Sure grandparents and those over 50s have had it that I know (and some in the 50s age bracket that have regretted it) But out of my close friends and cousins we are not having it.

This isn't my experience at all.

In real life I know no one personally who isn't getting it.
Pretty much every eligible staff member has either had it or have an appointment, the younger ones aren't yet eligible but are keen.

All my friends have had it, many have now had both doses. Several went out of their way to try and get it early by calling at venues to ask about end of day left overs, etc.

One family member said he wouldn't get it quite vocally in SM but has done so, but not posted to say he did get it in the end, I know he got it as his sister showed me his card afterwards when we spoke. She was despairing of him as he is in his 50s, CEV and has young dependent children.

Today my 19y went and got her first vaccine at a drop in in our city today. Thousands turned up, most queuing for at least 1-2 hours before the doors even opened. Many had to be turned away, some were able to be sent to 2 other venues which opened specifically for the overflow. During the day people arrived and were having to be sent away, right up to the time we left the area (had lunch opposite the queue once Dd was done) near the venue's official end time. They reached capacity before the official opening time but people came by every so often to check if there was any chance,

Thousands of not yet eligible 18-24 year olds were out of bed and queuing before 8am (the first in the queue were there from 6am for a 9am door open) on a Saturday morning for their chance to get the vaccine.

The city are opening a new drop in centre to all adults next week to meet the demand for vaccines, especially in the younger age range and it seemed (especially from today's experience) the typical sixth form and student age group - we are a city with two universities - were incredibly keen.

So round here the vaccine hesitancy doesn't seem particularly big and even younger people are very keen to have the vaccine.

Dd queued for 4 hours to get her first vaccine in the end. Those at the end of the queue, at the point it was closed to more joining will have waited for 5-6 hours.

We are being given no information on how well naturally acquired immunity is faring against vaccination immunity. You cannot insist people in this group are vaccinated without giving people verifying data to back it.

This is definitely being monitored though and results are out there.

Anecdotally I had covid in October and when tested for virus borne antibodies about 3 weeks ago I still had them some 7 months on.

I don’t know anyone who hasn’t already had the vaccines or waiting for their turn as in the case of DC’s.

I do vaccinations one day a week and it’s busier than ever particularly in the under 30 age group

Guardian yesterday said that research now shows that of those people who says they didn't want vaccine or were unsure, 87% have now had it.

2 letters only I have had five. It's harassment since you cant even make them stop sending the letters out

Thank you

It's funny how they need to pay celebrities to promote the vaccine and harass you with 30 texts and letters