Anyone not having vaccine , why aren't you?

[LazyDaisy10]

Is anyone not having the vaccine and what are your reasons? Im in my 30s I'm not having the vaccine because I'm worried about the long term effects that might not come to light for a few years. Why are you not having it?
If you think the vaccine is amazing and anyone not having it is selfish you probably don't need to comment.

Well they haven’t have they? The majority of whole in the top 9 risk groups have taken up the vaccine. Originally, these were the only groups we were actually planning to vaccinate. Now, if we don’t vaccinate everyone we will never get out of lockdown - (ignoring the fact that we’re already out of lockdown and have really low hospitalisations and deaths despite many of the top 9 groups not receiving their second vaccine yet)

@Parker231 i suspect a very dire one. The atittude of 'well i'm not getting one as everyone else has had it is quite frankly disgusting.'

Ummm... that’s not my attitude. I don’t mind who has it or not. It’s their business, not mine.

@24GinDrinkingOnceTheKidsInBed

I keep saying I want it, and I know I need it to contribute to everyone safety.

But the reality is a won’t have it and to be honest I’m not proud. I have severe anxiety that manifests mainly around drugs, illness and mostly reactions to these.. so having the covid vaccine instantly makes me think I’ll die from it, either from an illness due to the vaccine, or from a reaction to it.

It’s a silly way of thinking but that’s how anxiety is and I just can’t bring myself to rise above my mental health issues.

I’m hoping, that there will be a period in the near future where my anxiety becomes less and I’m able to pluck up the courage to get it done. But I got my invitation text this morning and I’ve had heart palpitations and panic attacks since.

I understand but my brain makes me worry about covid being far worse than the jab.

@FedNlanders yes, I think this is contributing to half of my worry is the fact as much as I’m terrified about having the jab, I’m equally as terrified not having it and catching covid. I think though because covid has been around for so long now and I’ve avoided it I’ve got a little bit of ‘it won’t happen to me’ in that respect (stupidity basically)

If you look at the VAERS website and search for the number of deaths following all vaccinations the stats are interesting. 37% of all deaths going back to 1968 occured in 2021. And we are only in May.
My uncle is a vegetable, he'll be dead in a month following a stroke a couple of weeks after his Astro Zenica vaccination. He is 73, doesn't smoke, not overweight, not a drinker. Of cause correlation isn't causation but it's a bit strange, nevertheless.
I know lots of people who have shingles following the jab.
I won't be having it despite being 55 - I run daily, I'm slim and healthy and I had covid last month so have some immunisation and anyway now don't qualify for the vaccination for the next 6 months. I was lucky it was just a sore throat and some muscle fatigue (running was hard).
I'm not an anti vaxxer, my kids have had all their other vaccinations, but I don't like the way a lot of scientists and doctors who express concerns are being stifled by Youtube, BBC, Facebook etc.

If you look at the VAERS website and search for the number of deaths following all vaccinations the stats are interesting. 37% of all deaths going back to 1968 occured in 2021. And we are only in May.

@samthebordercollie

Nope, that's completely not the way to go about analysing vaccine related death.

Reporting for coronavirus vaccine related events through VAERS will be much higher than in previous years, particularly in the 1990s (access to tech, knowledge of the system, engagement due to living through a literal pandemic) than for older vaccines. The fact that there are more reports on coronavirus vaccines isn't surprising or alarming.

To actually assess whether the coronavirus vaccines were associated with a higher death rate you would need to work out the death rate for the vaccinated and see how that compares to the death rate of an (exchangeable) unvaccinated population.

@TakeYourVaccine

I can't believe what I'm reading from the selfish anti vaxxers, reasons to take your vaccine!

1. We must protect the NHS as infections could lead to it being overstrained or do you not care?

2. It's deadly to all ages and even if it doesn't kill you then long term covid is a reality. My friend has had long covid for nearly 4 years now and can barely breathe just walking up stairs!

3. We need the vaccine to avoid further lockdowns, trust the government they know what they are doing!

4. Do you want people knowing you are a selfish anti vaxxer?

5. 5 members of my family have passed away with covid, one of my best friends was a marathon runner who ran a marathon on a Saturday and was dead of covid 2 days later probably caught by a selfish anti vaxxer on the running route

6. if you cant do it for yourself do it for your country , even the Queen has had her vaccine or do you have no respect for her majesties wishes disrespecting the memory of prince philip?

We need to fund the NHS properly, not guilt-trip people into not getting ill

People understand the risks of covid, they just think the risk from the vaccine is greater. I don’t agree with this but it’s their choice - do you want to live in a country with forced vaccinations? Probably not.

I can’t imagine anyone trusts the government, especially after today.

How could they know?

Sorry about your family members and friend, genuinely.

This is quite funny though, I’m very pro the vaccine and I couldn’t give a shit what the Queen thinks of anything. I don’t even have the vocabulary to explain to you how little I give a shit about disrespecting the memory of Prince Philip, even if I knew what that meant.

@speckledostrichegg ah, I was hoping you’d respond to that! Lovely old VAERS and their data that allows people to make up any old shit about what it means.

I don't like the way a lot of scientists and doctors who express concerns are being stifled by Youtube, BBC, Facebook etc.

@samthebordercollie which doctors and scientists?

People like Simone Gold and Michael Yeadon aren't having their views aired on reputable platforms not because they're expressing concerns, but because they're chatting absolute shite which isn't based on robust science

[quote Pumperthepumper]@speckledostrichegg ah, I was hoping you’d respond to that! Lovely old VAERS and their data that allows people to make up any old shit about what it means.[/quote]
ha, already prepared after our very thorough discussion on another thread

😂

Can I point out by “reliable source” I meant proper, peer reviewed research and data not that from ‘alternative sources’

@Parker231

I wonder what state the world would be in if everyone said they would wait another two years before having the vaccine?

This. If everyone in the world said they’d rather “wait a couple of years and see” they’d soon be complaining

I dont really understand the big love/ hate.

Have the vaccine or dont it's a choice

People aren't sheep for taking it neither are they part of some enlightened cartel for not taking it.

Yup it hasn't been tested for 10 yrs or so flip side if you had a horrible illness & there was a chance that a new trial medicine would help recovery would you take it. - Theres plenty of GoFundMe me pages raising money for trial medicine that the NHS doesn't offer.

We poison ourselves everyday, junk food, caffeine, breathing in car fumes, medication ....

I'm just sick of the propaganda from both sides this is not a war.
I think some people just have too much time on their hands and enjoy a fight.

more misinformation @Malahaha. I recognise a lot of it from Yeadon's ramblings.

"Asymptomatic" people, aka healthy people, do not spread the infection. To be able to be infectious you'd have to have a high viral load, and then you'd have symptoms, and stay in bed or at home. This is another one of the untruths being spread in order to fan the fear, and to divide us, so that we are afraid of each other.

Both asymptomatic and asymptomatic transmission have been proven to occur - there's a robust body of literature proving this. This is why it has been so hard to contain coronavirus. It is not automatically true to say a high viral = severe symptoms in all people, or that a high viral load is needed in order to infect someone else.

And as we know by now, being vaccinated does not mean you won't catch Covid, or can't spread it. There's virtually no difference between the jabbed and the unjabbed as far as getting and spreading infection is concerned. Yet the former choose to look down on the latter as if we had leprosy.

Vaccination reduces the chance of a person both getting coronavirus, and infecting other people. On a population level, this makes a huge difference (particularly when you consider mass events and crowded places) in terms of transmission.

'You cannot go around blaming healthy people for vulnerable people who choose to go outside and mingle with others.Theyhave taken the risk.'

What an ignorant attitude. So a vulnerable people should stay locked up forever should they? Hardly mingling to be outside going for a walk or have a visit from a carer. Covid is highly infectious and it doesnt meant those that have caught it have been partying with the masses does it?!

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www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/adhocs/12171numberandproportionofclinicallyextremelyvulnerableindividualsbywhethertheynormallyworkandagegroup14mayto30june2020england/clinicallyextremelyvulnerablewhonromallyworkbyagegroup.xlsx

So the clinically vulnerable, many thousands who have jobs, should just lock themselves away?

Article from Jan. 11, 2021 -- More than half of all COVID-19 cases transmit from people who don’t have any symptoms, according to a model developed by CDC researchers.

About 59% of transmission comes from people without symptoms, according to a new study. This includes 35% from people who infect others before they show symptoms and 24% from people who never develop any symptoms.

“The bottom line is controlling the COVID-19 pandemic really is going to require controlling the silent pandemic of transmission from persons without symptoms,” Jay Butler, one of the study authors and the CDC deputy director for infectious diseases

@Luckyme2

We’d be in serious trouble if everyone thought like you OP. Lucky for you that not everyone does

couldn't have said it any better! if everyone was as senseless as OP Covid would have eradicated the human race by now - am not saying everyone would contract it but we would be starving to death as no business would run, we have already experienced the pandemic panic when people were hoarding basic necessities! prople should stop posting BS!

@Londonmummy00

shitstirrer

it could accelerate the development of cancers

what absolute bullshit

You are welcome to prove me wrong. Let me know how your doing in a few years time please. You cannot possibly say with any certainty that we know this 5/6 months after this vaccine was rolled out in the uk!

However do you really expect the government to admit it has caused cancers in people or similar? They will never admit any wrongdoing.

it definitely is BS! prove your point, are you scientifically qualified to list out the ingredients in the vaccine that are carcinogenic?

@Parker231

Article from Jan. 11, 2021 -- More than half of all COVID-19 cases transmit from people who don’t have any symptoms, according to a model developed by CDC researchers.

About 59% of transmission comes from people without symptoms, according to a new study. This includes 35% from people who infect others before they show symptoms and 24% from people who never develop any symptoms.

“The bottom line is controlling the COVID-19 pandemic really is going to require controlling the silent pandemic of transmission from persons without symptoms,” Jay Butler, one of the study authors and the CDC deputy director for infectious diseases

Is it a model or is it a study? The two are quite different. Please provide a link.

A large (10m people) study published in Nature Communication showed that only 0.7% of infections came from asymptomatic patients:

	Cao S, Gan Y, Wang C, et al. Post-lockdown SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening in nearly ten million residents of Wuhan, China. Nat Commun2020;11:5917. doi:10.1038/s41467-020-19802-w. pmid:33219229