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Anyone not having vaccine , why aren't you?

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LazyDaisy10 · 20/05/2021 09:37

Is anyone not having the vaccine and what are your reasons? Im in my 30s I'm not having the vaccine because I'm worried about the long term effects that might not come to light for a few years. Why are you not having it?
If you think the vaccine is amazing and anyone not having it is selfish you probably don't need to comment.

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Malahaha · 25/05/2021 10:39

You're posting nonsense as far as I can see.

Dr McCullough is speaking nonsense? You know better than him?

Malahaha · 25/05/2021 10:41

When you compare the rates of miscarriage in those vaccinated and those unvaccinated, there is no difference.

Have you compared them? Has anyone?

speckledostrichegg · 25/05/2021 10:44

@Malahaha

When you compare the rates of miscarriage in those vaccinated and those unvaccinated, there is no difference.

Have you compared them? Has anyone?

As I'm not an epidemiologist with access to the individual level data, no I haven't.

The researchers with access to the data have however, finding no significant difference.

Malahaha · 25/05/2021 10:45

Link?

speckledostrichegg · 25/05/2021 10:47

@Malahaha

You're posting nonsense as far as I can see.

Dr McCullough is speaking nonsense? You know better than him?

Not the PP, but yes he does speak nonsense

He's one of the doctors promoting the use of HCQ where there is no evidence for efficacy in treating COVID

speckledostrichegg · 25/05/2021 10:49

@Malahaha

Link?
Do you realise the irony of demanding links from posters when you refuse to provide any yourself?

It can be found in the supplementary of Pfizer phase II & phase III clinical trial results

speckledostrichegg · 25/05/2021 10:50

@Malahaha - keen for an answer to this now you're promoting McCullough - you have been very carefully avoiding these questions while continuing to say that COVID treatments are being deliberately supressed.

Why have huge amounts of resources been directed into identifying existing drugs that can be repurposed for treating COVID? Why bother setting up the Solidarity and Recovery RCTs if this is just going to get in the way of vaccines?

Why have corticosteroids (cheap as chips) been approved for treating COVID after these RCTs, if "big pharma" is trying to supress COVID treatments?

speckledostrichegg · 25/05/2021 10:52

And here is the statement from the MHRA, who follow up these kinds of claims by looking into the data post trial.

“There is no pattern to suggest an elevated risk of miscarriage related to exposure to the COVID-19 vaccines in pregnancy. The numbers of people who have received a 1st dose COVID-19 vaccination increased from 1,340,043 to 4,322,791 for the same time frame. At least half of these would be expected to be women, so the number of women of child-bearing age (taking the vaccine) is estimated to have increased from 665,424 to 2,146,866 for the same time frame.”

“Sadly, miscarriage is estimated to occur in about 1 in 4 pregnancies (equal to 25 in 100) in the UK (outside of the pandemic) and most occur in the first 12 weeks (first trimester) of pregnancy, so some miscarriages would be expected to occur following vaccination purely by chance.”

WeAreTheHeroes · 25/05/2021 10:52

None of the anti vaxxers who've contributed to this thread have verified sources for anything. It's just scaremongering nonsense. The AZ vaccine is not for profit so I fail to see what good conning the public to have it would do them anyway.

WeAreTheHeroes · 25/05/2021 11:10

Thank you @speckledostrichegg - the anti vaxxer who first made those claims on here did not respond to my post asking for the data, etc.

Roonerspismed · 25/05/2021 11:34

What on Earth do you mean speckled?

What do you want? A peer reviewed piece from the BMJ? The data is a clusterfuck. No one has any idea.

Those of us who are resisting at present generally have vaccinated our kids and are relatively mainstream and yet feel there are far too many unknowns:

For this is the case - the data is being gathered, and relies on self reporting. That the platelet issue was missed by the MHRA to begin with doesnt inspire confidence

speckledostrichegg · 25/05/2021 11:36

@Roonerspismed

What on Earth do you mean speckled?

What do you want? A peer reviewed piece from the BMJ? The data is a clusterfuck. No one has any idea.

Those of us who are resisting at present generally have vaccinated our kids and are relatively mainstream and yet feel there are far too many unknowns:

For this is the case - the data is being gathered, and relies on self reporting. That the platelet issue was missed by the MHRA to begin with doesnt inspire confidence

What on Earth do you mean speckled?

What is this is response to..? I think you're confusing me with another poster

speckledostrichegg · 25/05/2021 11:40

I haven't presented any kind of opinion on whether children should be vaccinated or not. I've also repeatedly stated no one should be pressured into vaccination and it's each persons decision.

I'm simply argued against the misinformation on this thread, i.e,

  • vaccines are causing stillbirth and miscarriage
  • children have been paralysed from the vaccine
  • COVID treatments are being deliberately blocked because "it has to be vaccine"
  • There is evidence that HCQ is an effective treatment for COVID
  • CEV people like those with cystic fibrosis don't need to be vaccinated, they can simply build immunity up "naturally"

No one should be coerced into not taking the vaccine or terrified because they already have due to anti vax scientific misinformation

Torvean · 25/05/2021 22:48

@speckledostrichegg

I haven't presented any kind of opinion on whether children should be vaccinated or not. I've also repeatedly stated no one should be pressured into vaccination and it's each persons decision.

I'm simply argued against the misinformation on this thread, i.e,

  • vaccines are causing stillbirth and miscarriage
  • children have been paralysed from the vaccine
  • COVID treatments are being deliberately blocked because "it has to be vaccine"
  • There is evidence that HCQ is an effective treatment for COVID
  • CEV people like those with cystic fibrosis don't need to be vaccinated, they can simply build immunity up "naturally"

No one should be coerced into not taking the vaccine or terrified because they already have due to anti vax scientific misinformation

For a moment I thought your bullets points were your opinion not proven lies by anti vaxxers.

You're totally correct with what you see.
Anti vaxxers make it easy to spit them these days. They seem to find it a necessity to call ppl sheep/zombies/govt clones etc etc.

Torvean · 25/05/2021 22:49
  • spot them !!!
speckledostrichegg · 25/05/2021 22:52

For a moment I thought your bullets points were your opinion not proven lies by anti vaxxers.

@Torvean

that would indeed be a insane shopping list of misinformation Grin I hope anyone coming across it reads my post in full!!

MadKittenWoman · 25/05/2021 23:16

FFS. This is the Twilight Zone. Off for my second jab this Friday and can't wait.

Malahaha · 26/05/2021 06:45

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Malahaha · 26/05/2021 06:50

oops! Huge error. This should read, of course: I am very concerned that they are coming for the kids and I hope hundred-thousands of parents and grandparents tell them where to stick that shot. No not in there!

We really need an editing option here.

Malahaha · 26/05/2021 06:58

PS: I'd like to self-report an inaccuracy in that article I posted. As someone said upthread, the assumption that these women lost their babies "as a result" of the jab is wrong: correlation does not indicate causation, as we know.

Later in the article this has been changed to "after having the vaccine". That is accurate, as it encourages the question "why", and does not jump to conclusions.

paddyk · 26/05/2021 08:28

[quote Malahaha]If you don't take the vaccine, it's your choice, but you can't expect everyone to continue social distancing, isolating and missing out on life to protect you.

I've never expected ANYONE to isolate or miss out on life. I am a signatory to the Great Barrington Declaration and agree with its recommendations, along with hundreds of thousands of scientists, doctors and ordinary citizens. I believe the vulnerable should have been protected and the rest of us allowed to continue so as to develop herd immunity, while strengthening our natural immunity with vitamin d, vitamin c, zinc, and healthy food. I don't believe these jabs should have been rolled out at all; I believe it's much too early, and we should have used other treatments. But I'm a nobody so it's just an opinion.

However I do understand why everything I say here is contested and even attacked, and why you (pl) try to find flaws in my posts. Because you were me, a year ago.

Back then, I too believed and followed the official programme. I was the one who washed all my shopping, used gloves to get my post and left it for two days before opening, and so on. This was before the mask mandate; when the talk turned to masks but none were available; I was the one checking out how to make them from T shirts and handkerchiefs; I was on a forum discussing our amateur mask-making attempts, and exchanging sewing tips. I was the first to buy home made masks when a few private entrepreneurs appeared on Facebook.

My son, daughter, and son-in-law (who by the way has a PhD in microbiology) all tried to "educate" me by telling me not to believe the MSM but I rejected them and their advice.

Last summer I thought it was all over and we could go back to normal, but it only got worse, and that’s when I realised my son, whose every prediction had come true, had been right all along. That's when I rebelled. I asked questions, did my own research, and came to my own conclusions.

That’s why I don’t want to give any answers here. I don’t care about being called selfish and a conspiracy theorist, and nobody needs to believe me when I say there’s something very fishy about the way this was handled. And that’s my bottom line. If you think you’re getting back to normal anytime soon there’s going to be a few surprises in store. Putting all your faith and hopes in a vaccine -- well, you've been played.

If any adult wants to go ahead and get the shot, I’d say it’s up to them and I hope they have thoroughly researched the matter and heard out both sides in an unbiased way; but if they’re just obeying the official line, it’s up to them. I am very concerned that they are not coming for the kids and I hope hundred-thousands of parents and grandparents tell them where to stick that shot.

I really don't feel like discussing this any more. I hope one or two people start asking questions, and I know that those who want to argue are not going to be convinced by anything I say.

I do want to leave this here, though, since this is my main issue in speaking out here, and it just might make a few people think again: And no, you won't find this report in the mainstream media. I won't post a snippet. The content is already in the link.

dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/05/16/number-of-women-to-lose-their-unborn-child-after-having-the-covid-vaccine-increases-by-2000-in-just-fourteen-weeks/[/quote]
That website is the biggest crock of shit I have ever seen and you need to delete it from your favourites and stop reading it. Nothing but conspiracy bullshit.

Parker231 · 26/05/2021 08:37

Mn is always interesting. In real life all friends and family are very positive about the vaccine - have either had it or waiting for their turn to come. Trying to find out now when DC’s can have their vaccinations. We’re very much looking forward to our lives returning safely to normal.
It’s only on Mn I’ve come across anti vaxxers - some of the posts make me laugh at how far fetched they are.

Malahaha · 26/05/2021 09:18

That website is the biggest crock of shit I have ever seen and you need to delete it from your favourites and stop reading it. Nothing but conspiracy bullshit.

Here we go again. Maligning the medium, and not addressing the actual message.
The link I posted was about the actual numbers reported by the official UK government. Please address the content, not the platform.

Is that a crock of shit, or is it not? That's the only thing that counts.

My opinion is that it's the BBC, the Guardian, Facebook, YouTube are the real crocks of shit these days. So it's one opinion against the other.

bumbleymummy · 26/05/2021 09:19

@Parker231 just as long as you accept that just because someone doesn’t want this particular vaccine, they aren’t a conspiracy theorist anti-vaxxer.

Malahaha · 26/05/2021 09:28

@Parker231 Well, birds of a feather and all that. I'm the reverse.

In real life, my entire family and the friends of my kids and their parents are not getting vaxxed. Only my daughter's MiL has sadly gone for it, but she's alone in that.

And yes, MN is an echo chamber on the subject. And yes, there are millions of us. You call us names and mock, because you have no arguments. It remains an experimental vaccine of which the long term effects are unknown. You cannot refute that. You believe it is safe only because you have been told that and you believe. That's faith.

BTW, speaking of numbers, did you know of the millions-strong world-wide rally on 20th March? (reported as hundreds on the BBC, but otherwise basically ignored). And on 15th May? And the next one on 29th May? If not, try the Oracle film The Pushback.

You'll find lots of good sense (and stats) there, as well as notice as to how strong our numbers really are. And growing.

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