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Anyone not having vaccine , why aren't you?

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LazyDaisy10 · 20/05/2021 09:37

Is anyone not having the vaccine and what are your reasons? Im in my 30s I'm not having the vaccine because I'm worried about the long term effects that might not come to light for a few years. Why are you not having it?
If you think the vaccine is amazing and anyone not having it is selfish you probably don't need to comment.

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speckledostrichegg · 26/05/2021 10:25

@Roonerspismed

speckled what do you think about murine studies on mRNA ending up in the brain? Does this not concern you at all. I am frankly scared at potential issues in 3-5 years in millions of people
well without you linking to these studies, I can't comment?

Give me the DOI and I'll take a look!

speckledostrichegg · 26/05/2021 10:26

the actual research papers, not someones crackpot interpretation of them Grin

we have seen a lot of that on this thread

Roonerspismed · 26/05/2021 10:26

I thought you had done your research!!!!! 🤣

speckledostrichegg · 26/05/2021 10:30

@Roonerspismed

I thought you had done your research!!!!! 🤣
@Roonerspismed are you serious?

you tell me there are research papers showing "mRNA ends up in the brain", I ask to see them, and this is your reply?

The reason I haven't seen them is because I doubt they exist in the form you're implying they do and are completely irrelevant to mRNA vaccines.

It's similar to a previous poster claiming that all animals in mRNA vaccine trials died. When pressed for the paper, it turned out it was a kitten study from 1988, not on coronavirus, not using vaccine technology and not using mRNA. Crying with laughter indeed.

bumbleymummy · 26/05/2021 10:34

@paddyk even if I was vaccinated I could still be putting other people at risk, it’s not a guarantee. The people who can’t have the vaccine have to decide whether or not they are happy to take the risk to be out and about with unvaccinated young people/children/pregnant women/others who can’t have the vaccine and those who have been vaccinated but aren’t immune.

Roonerspismed · 26/05/2021 10:36

To be fair I assumed a scientist would do more diligence on the issue

I have been reading a lot from both sides on the issue. Funnily enough I would only take the AZ vaccine right now - I think we know more about it

There are lots of studies on mRNA and a chap called Shin Jie Yong wrote an excellent article on Medium.com on 19/3/21. I can’t link it. It’s a very balanced article and looks at the studies and actually comes down in favour of the vaccine. I like it as although it’s written by a trainee medic ( I think) it deep dives into it. But there seem many, many unknowns to me.

speckledostrichegg · 26/05/2021 10:38

@Roonerspismed

To be fair I assumed a scientist would do more diligence on the issue

I have been reading a lot from both sides on the issue. Funnily enough I would only take the AZ vaccine right now - I think we know more about it

There are lots of studies on mRNA and a chap called Shin Jie Yong wrote an excellent article on Medium.com on 19/3/21. I can’t link it. It’s a very balanced article and looks at the studies and actually comes down in favour of the vaccine. I like it as although it’s written by a trainee medic ( I think) it deep dives into it. But there seem many, many unknowns to me.

"There are lots of studies on mRNA"

Of course there are and this isn't answer to my question you said "mRNA ends up in the brain" - which papers are you referencing? how are they relevant to mRNA vaccine technology? If you make these claims you need to actual include the original work, an no, an article on "medium" doesn't count.

I'll just copy and paste my previous reply seeing as you didn't read it

you tell me there are research papers showing "mRNA ends up in the brain", I ask to see them, and this is your reply?

The reason I haven't seen them is because I doubt they exist in the form you're implying they do and are completely irrelevant to mRNA vaccines.

It's similar to a previous poster claiming that all animals in mRNA vaccine trials died. When pressed for the paper, it turned out it was a kitten study from 1988, not on coronavirus, not using vaccine technology and not using mRNA. Crying with laughter indeed.

Roonerspismed · 26/05/2021 10:43

I have linked you to a summary of them - ignore if you want. You can read the studies form there.

🤷‍♀️

I’m baffled why a PHD scientist wouldn’t have done a bit more diligence before allowing mRNA to enter their system so there you go - I think you are naive and you think you aren’t

speckledostrichegg · 26/05/2021 10:50

@Roonerspismed

I have linked you to a summary of them - ignore if you want. You can read the studies form there.

🤷‍♀️

I’m baffled why a PHD scientist wouldn’t have done a bit more diligence before allowing mRNA to enter their system so there you go - I think you are naive and you think you aren’t

you haven't provided a single link @Roonerspismed
Parker231 · 26/05/2021 10:59

I’m definitely not naive in deciding to have the vaccine - I had AZ. I’ve had one friend due from Covid and two who were in hospital for several weeks and still not well enough to return to work.
It is a life saving vaccine - easy to see when you look at the figures. Covid cases and deaths have drastically dropped in countries with a good vaccine rollout.

bumbleymummy · 26/05/2021 11:09

@Parker231

I’m definitely not naive in deciding to have the vaccine - I had AZ. I’ve had one friend due from Covid and two who were in hospital for several weeks and still not well enough to return to work. It is a life saving vaccine - easy to see when you look at the figures. Covid cases and deaths have drastically dropped in countries with a good vaccine rollout.
Yes, it’s life saving for certain groups. In other groups, covid isn’t particularly life threatening.
TheMerrickBoy · 26/05/2021 11:41

Yes @bumbleymummy - and fortunately people for whom it isn't particularly life-threatening also cannot pass the virus on, can they?

NatashaWilson123 · 26/05/2021 11:45

I won't be having the vaccine purely based on the fact of me not being bothered sufficiently about covid to have it. The virus has an average age of death above life expectancy, it affects a tiny percentage sufficiently severely to hospitalise them, let alone kill them with huge numbers needing to test for the virus to ascertain if they have even had it as it's asymptomatic for huge numbers. A vaccine or any health treatment for that matter is there for the individual not some sort of dystopian world where we foist medical treatment on people for " the greater good".

The two main points to encourage people not worried about covid to have the vaccine seem to be " to help others " and " to avoid lockdowns". Let's deal with those two areas starting with the former of this idea of the greater good for society.

Bearing in mind the vulnerable have had the vaccine, the benefits of others having it are negligible so we are left with the argument of " protecting others that can't have it". Are people seriously suggesting that healthy young people at no real risk of covid should risk their lives/health/ mental well being forcing themselves to have medical treatment against their will for this tiny group.. if that's the case let's expand this mindset

I want to go out but have a heavy cold( not covid) = Have you no thought for imunosuppressed people who may suffer serious health problems catching your cold by you not self isolating?

I don't give to charity= Have you no consideration for just donating £10 per month for starving children in the third world that will be guaranteed to save lives as you spend that money on a bottle of wine you selfish imbecile?

I don't give blood/ bone marrow= Why don't you want to do something painless that will save lives you selfish awful person?

I drive a car= Why don't you catch public transport or better still ride a little bike with a bell on the front to stop global warming and air pollution you selfish person.. do lives in the third world decimated by droughts attributable to climate change?

We could go on and on with this virtue signalling rubbish- when does it end and when do we all take a degree of personal responsibility for our own health accepting our finite existences where everyone including me will be either dead or near death in 50- 60 years or much less?

The second issue of taking vaccines to avoid government legislation is a disgusting mindset straight out of an Orwell novel where infact the opposite could be argued. Instead of people flapping their arms around like demented birds approaching Christmas crying in terror over vaccine risks, the mongolian/Indian/southafrican/ yorkshire strain, maybe people can take part in peaceful protests against various rights being taken away from them rather than rushing off to get vaccines because the government said so. The so called football super league which on the grand scheme of things is obviously unimportant yet the mass protests shortly put an end to that but young peoples lives are being destroyed results in supposed sensible people rushing off to the dr to get a vaccine hoping " it is the way out". Are people seriously naive enough to think even with everyone jabbed to the eyeballs with thousands arriving in the country every day / new strains/ needing to get boosters and jabs again next year with immunity from the jab lasting months rather than years that this the answer to a free society where we surrender body autonomy to the state?..

To summarise, make your own decisions regarding any vaccine instead of the default setting of squawking about anti vaxxers who don't want to suffer for many what amount to unpleasant side effects relating to a disease that kills people with an average age of 82.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 26/05/2021 11:47

Yes, it’s life saving for certain groups. In other groups, covid isn’t particularly life threatening.

No one knows if it's life threatening. I'm 46 and overweight. If I catch covid it may or may not affect me badly but I don't want to take the chance. As well as that, DH is 20 years older than me and, while he's vaccinated, I want to minimise the risk to him from me. I also want to minimise the risk to my elderly family.

NatashaWilson123 · 26/05/2021 11:50

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

Yes, it’s life saving for certain groups. In other groups, covid isn’t particularly life threatening.

No one knows if it's life threatening. I'm 46 and overweight. If I catch covid it may or may not affect me badly but I don't want to take the chance. As well as that, DH is 20 years older than me and, while he's vaccinated, I want to minimise the risk to him from me. I also want to minimise the risk to my elderly family.

so your argument is everyone should take the vaccine because you're worried about covid as you're fat? Why should a health slim person under 40 want the vaccine?
24GinDrinkingOnceTheKidsInBed · 26/05/2021 11:51

I keep saying I want it, and I know I need it to contribute to everyone safety.

But the reality is a won’t have it and to be honest I’m not proud. I have severe anxiety that manifests mainly around drugs, illness and mostly reactions to these.. so having the covid vaccine instantly makes me think I’ll die from it, either from an illness due to the vaccine, or from a reaction to it.

It’s a silly way of thinking but that’s how anxiety is and I just can’t bring myself to rise above my mental health issues.

I’m hoping, that there will be a period in the near future where my anxiety becomes less and I’m able to pluck up the courage to get it done. But I got my invitation text this morning and I’ve had heart palpitations and panic attacks since.

paddyk · 26/05/2021 12:01

@NatashaWilson123

I won't be having the vaccine purely based on the fact of me not being bothered sufficiently about covid to have it. The virus has an average age of death above life expectancy, it affects a tiny percentage sufficiently severely to hospitalise them, let alone kill them with huge numbers needing to test for the virus to ascertain if they have even had it as it's asymptomatic for huge numbers. A vaccine or any health treatment for that matter is there for the individual not some sort of dystopian world where we foist medical treatment on people for " the greater good".

The two main points to encourage people not worried about covid to have the vaccine seem to be " to help others " and " to avoid lockdowns". Let's deal with those two areas starting with the former of this idea of the greater good for society.

Bearing in mind the vulnerable have had the vaccine, the benefits of others having it are negligible so we are left with the argument of " protecting others that can't have it". Are people seriously suggesting that healthy young people at no real risk of covid should risk their lives/health/ mental well being forcing themselves to have medical treatment against their will for this tiny group.. if that's the case let's expand this mindset

I want to go out but have a heavy cold( not covid) = Have you no thought for imunosuppressed people who may suffer serious health problems catching your cold by you not self isolating?

I don't give to charity= Have you no consideration for just donating £10 per month for starving children in the third world that will be guaranteed to save lives as you spend that money on a bottle of wine you selfish imbecile?

I don't give blood/ bone marrow= Why don't you want to do something painless that will save lives you selfish awful person?

I drive a car= Why don't you catch public transport or better still ride a little bike with a bell on the front to stop global warming and air pollution you selfish person.. do lives in the third world decimated by droughts attributable to climate change?

We could go on and on with this virtue signalling rubbish- when does it end and when do we all take a degree of personal responsibility for our own health accepting our finite existences where everyone including me will be either dead or near death in 50- 60 years or much less?

The second issue of taking vaccines to avoid government legislation is a disgusting mindset straight out of an Orwell novel where infact the opposite could be argued. Instead of people flapping their arms around like demented birds approaching Christmas crying in terror over vaccine risks, the mongolian/Indian/southafrican/ yorkshire strain, maybe people can take part in peaceful protests against various rights being taken away from them rather than rushing off to get vaccines because the government said so. The so called football super league which on the grand scheme of things is obviously unimportant yet the mass protests shortly put an end to that but young peoples lives are being destroyed results in supposed sensible people rushing off to the dr to get a vaccine hoping " it is the way out". Are people seriously naive enough to think even with everyone jabbed to the eyeballs with thousands arriving in the country every day / new strains/ needing to get boosters and jabs again next year with immunity from the jab lasting months rather than years that this the answer to a free society where we surrender body autonomy to the state?..

To summarise, make your own decisions regarding any vaccine instead of the default setting of squawking about anti vaxxers who don't want to suffer for many what amount to unpleasant side effects relating to a disease that kills people with an average age of 82.

Classic whataboutery.

One of our greastest achievments are vaccines, whithout which your Kids would still be dying of smallpox, tb, polio, measles etc.

NatashaWilson123 · 26/05/2021 12:05

Classic stupidity @paddyk to compare covid with smallpox.. you have no sense of risk assessment or understanding of mortality risks clearly. Bearing in mind you have mentioned kids dying, tell us how many kids have died of covid instead of playing the emotional virtue signalling card nonsense again ?

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 26/05/2021 12:35

so your argument is everyone should take the vaccine because you're worried about covid as you're fat? Why should a health slim person under 40 want the vaccine?

Please learn to read properly, I was talking about my circumstances and pointing out that no one knows how Covid will affect them.

Most of the healthy, slim people I know want the vaccine so whether or not you think they need it is immaterial as thankfully not everyone is like you.

BTW did you join MN today to especially to post anti vaxx shit?

@24GinDrinkingOnceTheKidsInBed, don't feel bad about not having it. Anxiety is shit. I suffer from a needle phobia and was in a real state when I got the invitation. I did it with DH's help (because I wanted him to help before anyone thinks he forced me!) but I wouldn't have been able to do it on my own.

NatashaWilson123 · 26/05/2021 12:47

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

so your argument is everyone should take the vaccine because you're worried about covid as you're fat? Why should a health slim person under 40 want the vaccine?

Please learn to read properly, I was talking about my circumstances and pointing out that no one knows how Covid will affect them.

Most of the healthy, slim people I know want the vaccine so whether or not you think they need it is immaterial as thankfully not everyone is like you.

BTW did you join MN today to especially to post anti vaxx shit?

@24GinDrinkingOnceTheKidsInBed, don't feel bad about not having it. Anxiety is shit. I suffer from a needle phobia and was in a real state when I got the invitation. I did it with DH's help (because I wanted him to help before anyone thinks he forced me!) but I wouldn't have been able to do it on my own.

The people who peddle out the " anti vax " rhetoric are normally a bit simple possessing a low IQ illustrated perfectly when an individual doesn't want a covid vaccine based on the mortality stats of that specific disease equates that to being anti vax.. there is nothing " anti vax " about that, do people like you ever change your broken record like a screeching kettle on a hob? As you mention you are over 40 and overweight, maybe your decision to take the vaccine is right for you and your lifestyle but don't presume anyone that leads a healthier lifestyle or isn't worried about covid is " anti vax "
paddyk · 26/05/2021 13:15

@NatashaWilson123

Classic stupidity *@paddyk* to compare covid with smallpox.. you have no sense of risk assessment or understanding of mortality risks clearly. Bearing in mind you have mentioned kids dying, tell us how many kids have died of covid instead of playing the emotional virtue signalling card nonsense again ?
? I've not compared it with anything, simply pointing out the value of vaccinations. I don't know how many kids have died of covid, i dont keep count, but its not 0 is it.
PinkSparklyPussyCat · 26/05/2021 13:23

As you mention you are over 40 and overweight, maybe your decision to take the vaccine is right for you and your lifestyle but don't presume anyone that leads a healthier lifestyle or isn't worried about covid is " anti vax

Fucking hell, you really are hard work. Yes, it's the right decision for me, I didn't say it was the right decision for everyone!

I'm aware that not everyone not wanting the vaccine is anti vaxx but you seem to have a particular agenda that you have joined today to push.

I'd rather be overweight than hard of thinking, at least I can do something about it!

Popcornbetty · 26/05/2021 13:29

*':23PinkSparklyPussyCat

As you mention you are over 40 and overweight, maybe your decision to take the vaccine is right for you and your lifestyle but don't presume anyone that leads a healthier lifestyle or isn't worried about covid is "

Pathetic comment, people who are younger, fit and healthy can still get covid severely! This thread is laughable and the ignorance is astounding.

whymewhyme · 26/05/2021 13:45

I'm not having it, i will once the trials are over in 2023. I'm not anti vax or a conspiracy theorist.

Parker231 · 26/05/2021 13:52

I wonder what state the world would be in if everyone said they would wait another two years before having the vaccine?

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