Anyone not having vaccine , why aren't you?

[LazyDaisy10]

Is anyone not having the vaccine and what are your reasons? Im in my 30s I'm not having the vaccine because I'm worried about the long term effects that might not come to light for a few years. Why are you not having it?
If you think the vaccine is amazing and anyone not having it is selfish you probably don't need to comment.

bumble - I’ve not seen any sensible credible evidence as to why someone wouldn’t want a life saving vaccine (unless medically advised not to) so I’ll never understand anti vaxxers.
DH is a GP and has given the vaccine to care home staff and residents, the clinical vulnerable and those who physically can’t get to a vaccine centre. I’m also a volunteer vaccinator and we are both seeing the positive effect having the vaccine is making to people when they get their appointment.
Now the question is how quickly can DC’s be vaccinated - the US are so far ahead of the U.K. on this.

You call us names and mock, because you have no arguments.
What a load of crock @Malahaha

No one calls you names or mocks you, they question why you're spreading scientific misinformation. When they pose arguments to your points you ignore them. I've asked several times why you think HCQ is a valid treatment for COVID that is being blocked by "big pharma" when cheap alternatives have been approved, and yet you ignore me?

HCQ in the right dosis and given together with zinc, is highly effective against the virus. I've listened to several doctors first hand who have said they have never lost a patient with HCQ. And no, we would not be using it against Covid because it has to be a "vaccine".

Why have other cheap treatments like dexamethasone been approved for treatment of COVID if it "has to be a vaccine"? Why bother conducting large trials like Solidarity and Recovery (designed to repurpose existing drugs), if no one wants a treatment to be found?

No, I'm not going to go digging up reports and peer reviewed articles; I've better things to do with my time, and also I actually believe and appreciate first-hand reports from doctors more than scientific articles.

This isn't how modern medicine works with no control group and no tracking of outcomes in patients. Anecdotal evidence when HCQ has been shown to be ineffective in two large RCTs in treating COVID is simply not robust

HCQ is widely used in Africa and Asia, and the countries that use it generally have a low death rate. I'm someone who prefers to hear front-line doctors' direct experience over articles published in journals.

This is completely irrelevant. HCQ is widely used both here and in Africa and Asia - indicated in things like parasitic infections, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. Just because it is safe and effective in treating some conditions, that doesn't make it safe and effective in treating a respiratory virus.

Same reasons for me. Covid is absolute tiny risk to me and I've had it already and I would rather wait for a few years to see any long term effects of vaccine. Nothing against anyone taking it though, personal choice.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer or a conspiracy theorist and I’m not having it because I don’t need or want it. I do not tend to vaccinate myself against diseases that are such low risk to me. I will not be vaccinating my children because they are even lower risk. It is not really a ‘life-saving’ vaccine for us because, statistically, our lives are not really in danger from it. Certainly no more than from things I do on a daily basis without even thinking about them.

I think it is great that we have been able to prevent the majority of serious illness/death in the most vulnerable groups. I don’t think that young, healthy people deciding not to have a vaccine against a disease that is extremely low risk to them makes them an antivaxxer.

Sorry, previous post to @Parker231

@Malahaha

That website is the biggest crock of shit I have ever seen and you need to delete it from your favourites and stop reading it. Nothing but conspiracy bullshit.

Here we go again. Maligning the medium, and not addressing the actual message.
The link I posted was about the actual numbers reported by the official UK government. Please address the content, not the platform.

Is that a crock of shit, or is it not? That's the only thing that counts.

My opinion is that it's the BBC, the Guardian, Facebook, YouTube are the real crocks of shit these days. So it's one opinion against the other.

No not the medium, the content....5 seconds on that site is enough to see it's complete BS and no one should be using it as a source of reliable information.

If you do not believe that (paid) propaganda is driving Western media, maybe you should listen to Udo Ulfkotte, who, on a different subject a few years ago, admitted to having taken bribe money; and that all his journalist colleagues did and do the same.

Quite honestly, I get that. I'm a nobody (for now), living in rental accommodation and my greatest desire it to buy a farm out in the sticks where my whole family can live and be self sufficient. I even have such a farm in sight but I would need £300k to buy it.

If somebody offered me £300k right now to buy that farm and for that not say a word more on MN about Covid, I would take it. Yes, I'm that corrupt.

“Life saving” vaccine, Parker? For whom exactly? Yes to the older and vulnerable but the evidence is emerging it clearly isn’t for younger people

There will be a full inquiry into this in years to come. It’s disgraceful what is happening

@shitstirrer

it could accelerate the development of cancers

what absolute bullshit

But literally no one knows whether that's true or not now do they

@bumbleymummy

I’m not an anti-vaxxer or a conspiracy theorist and I’m not having it because I don’t need or want it. I do not tend to vaccinate myself against diseases that are such low risk to me. I will not be vaccinating my children because they are even lower risk. It is not really a ‘life-saving’ vaccine for us because, statistically, our lives are not really in danger from it. Certainly no more than from things I do on a daily basis without even thinking about them.

I think it is great that we have been able to prevent the majority of serious illness/death in the most vulnerable groups. I don’t think that young, healthy people deciding not to have a vaccine against a disease that is extremely low risk to them makes them an antivaxxer.

And what of the people around you who cant have it or it doesnt work well for, you're happy to spread it to them and put others lives in danger? As for risk, my older brother had it (he's 55) and was fine. My colleagues husband had it (fit in his 30's) and was hospitalised for 2 months and nearly died. I guess you've just got to take your chances.

dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/05/16/number-of-women-to-lose-their-unborn-child-after-having-the-covid-vaccine-increases-by-2000-in-just-fourteen-weeks/

this scientific illiteracy in this website is astounding

As many people have explained to you @Malahaha, sadly 1 in 3 women miscarry. Therefore if no one who was vaccinated miscarried this would be very surprising and suggest the vaccine was somehow protective against pregnancy loss. As more women are vaccinated, there will be more reports of miscarriage, which is basic statistics. What you need to do is compare the rate of miscarriage in vaccinated versus unvaccinated women, and when you do - there is no significant difference.

All the below statement is saying (wrapping up in terrifying and scary language), is that a number of women have miscarried, and this number has increased to 66. This is well within the expected rates of miscarriage in the general population.

According to the fifteenth report released by the UK Government on adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines, using data inputted to the MHRA Yellow Card Scheme up to the 5th May 2021, there has been a 1,700% increase since the 24th January in the number of women who have lost their unborn/newborn child after having the Pfizer vaccine. The total number of miscarriages now stands at 66 alongside 1 report of premature baby death, 3 reports of foetal death and 2 reports of stillbirth. This is devastating.

For most women, on a balance of risks/benefits, the safest course of action for both mother and baby is to be vaccinated, as COVID has been shown to cause miscarriage and stillbirth. Your dangerous misinformation has the potential to cost lives.

@Malahaha

Here we go again. Maligning the medium, and not addressing the actual message.The link I posted was about the actual numbers reported by the official UK government. Please address the content, not the platform.

Not the poster this comment was addressed at, but there we are, have explained why the website is a crock of shite ^

I repeat, for most women, on a balance of risks/benefits, the safest course of action for both mother and baby is to be vaccinated, as COVID has been shown to cause miscarriage and stillbirth. Your dangerous misinformation has the potential to cost lives.

Here's an actual credible source on COVID vaccination in pregnancy:
www.rcog.org.uk/en/guidelines-research-services/coronavirus-covid-19-pregnancy-and-womens-health/covid-19-vaccines-and-pregnancy/covid-19-vaccines-pregnancy-and-breastfeeding/

shitstirrer

it could accelerate the development of cancers

what absolute bullshithmm

But literally no one knows whether that's true or not now do they

@wasthataburp

But there is no cell, animal or clinical evidence to suggest this is the case? Nor is there any plausible biological mechanism by which this could occur.

How would a vaccine accelerate the development of cancer?

@MotherOfGodWeeFella

Okay *@katylees* - your personal risk assessment means you think it's not worth you having the vaccine. It's not just about you though it is. I don't why I'm bothering though tbh. You're intransigent, you'll have an answer for everything culled from the information out there that suits your purpose. You crack on.

What nonsense. Of course it is about the individual. To say that we are responsible for the health of others is actually ridiculous. Everyone is responsible for their own bodies. That's it.

@wasthataburp - but that's so patently not it - when it comes to contagious diseases, nobody's body exists in isolation, by definition. And the more unvaccinated people there are, the more variants that could ruin everything can emerge and foment.

Thatcher said there was no such thing as society - but in fact there's no such thing as an individual when it comes to a pandemic.

I fully get that people will want to make their own personal decision, however I do find it worrying what some people will class as a reliable source of information.

@speckledostrichegg

shitstirrer

it could accelerate the development of cancers

what absolute bullshithmm

But literally no one knows whether that's true or not now do they

@wasthataburp

But there is no cell, animal or clinical evidence to suggest this is the case? Nor is there any plausible biological mechanism by which this could occur.

How would a vaccine accelerate the development of cancer?

I didn't say it did. Just that no one knows it doesn't.

Really speckled, you really think that? Given we don’t really understand much behind the development of cancers is it beyond the wit of man to think that there is any number of reasons why this could happen? It might be an ingredient itself eg polysorbate or the effect of nano particles or is the mRNA hangs around longer than thought or enters and remains in organs.

We have no bloody idea!!!!

@Roonerspismed

Really speckled, you really think that? Given we don’t really understand much behind the development of cancers is it beyond the wit of man to think that there is any number of reasons why this could happen? It might be an ingredient itself eg polysorbate or the effect of nano particles or is the mRNA hangs around longer than thought or enters and remains in organs.

We have no bloody idea!!!!

Polysorbate is not a carcinogen and is found in common soaps and cosmectics

Lipid nanoparticles are not a cacirnogen

100s of years of research regarding mRNA demonstrate that is short lived, and as for "entering organs" - this demonstrates a lack of understanding. Every drug and vaccine you take enters all your cells and therefore "all your organs" (with the exception of the brain, as the BBB is very selective as to what can cross).

I repeat there is no cell, animal or clinical evidence to suggest this is the case? Nor is there any plausible biological mechanism by which this could occur.

Jeez, there really is some stupid on this thread

Well we are injecting polysorbate so your comparison is ridiculous but polysorbate has recently been linked to microbiome changes and colon cancer. But let’s not split hairs

Nanoparticles accumulate in tumours and there have already been discussions about whether they could trigger tumour growth. We just don’t know either way.

I’m amazed at the naivety of people. An absence of evidence doesn’t equal safety

We have no idea where mRNA vaccines given via nanoparticles might end up. Mice studies showed it did end up in the brain. Let’s hope it doesn’t hang around

@Roonerspismed

Well we are injecting polysorbate so your comparison is ridiculous but polysorbate has recently been linked to microbiome changes and colon cancer. But let’s not split hairs

Nanoparticles accumulate in tumours and there have already been discussions about whether they could trigger tumour growth. We just don’t know either way.

I’m amazed at the naivety of people. An absence of evidence doesn’t equal safety

We have no idea where mRNA vaccines given via nanoparticles might end up. Mice studies showed it did end up in the brain. Let’s hope it doesn’t hang around

I’m amazed at the naivety of people

I'm amazing of the scientific illiteracy of people, and how susceptible they are to misinformation and conspiracy theories, but what can you do

I have a PhD, I work in research. I have looked into the development of the vaccines, the ingredients they contain, and their safety profile. I'm a lot of things but I'm not naive

Well you have a lot more trust than I do.

I don’t trust anyone any more and when I looked at the various ingredients and the research, it seemed blindingly obvious to me that we don’t have enough evidence on safety

Maybe enough if you are 70 and vulnerable - maybe that’s sufficient

But the fact that dozens (hundreds) of young and healthy people are suffering from this vaccine programme tells me it’s been improperly tested. And the fact that stage three trials are picking this up means you sound naive to me

speckled what do you think about murine studies on mRNA ending up in the brain? Does this not concern you at all. I am frankly scared at potential issues in 3-5 years in millions of people

@Roonerspismed

Well you have a lot more trust than I do.

I don’t trust anyone any more and when I looked at the various ingredients and the research, it seemed blindingly obvious to me that we don’t have enough evidence on safety

Maybe enough if you are 70 and vulnerable - maybe that’s sufficient

But the fact that dozens (hundreds) of young and healthy people are suffering from this vaccine programme tells me it’s been improperly tested. And the fact that stage three trials are picking this up means you sound naive to me

"Well you have a lot more trust than I do."

Nope not trust, I'm convinced by the methods used and the data from animal and clinical studies, and the roll out into the general population.

It's everyone's decision as to whether they should be vaccinated or not, and if you want to wait and see longer term data that's totally fair enough. But equally, no one should be coerced into not having it (or terrified because they already have), because of scientific misinformation like the vaccine "could accelerate the development of cancers"