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To refuse the vaccine for this reason

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SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 19:09

Goodness know why I'm doing this since I'm most averse to being flamed and I'm going to get grilled alive.

My reason being that I don't think that it will work. I don't mean the vaccine itself, I have no specialist knowledge. I mean the whole strategy of vaccinating everyone.

So we're told that the vaccine is good for personal protection. Got it - no-one wants to die of this nasty disease.
And then we're told that its good to protect those around us. Absolutely got it - even if there's a possibility of nasty side effects, I'm not important in the grand scheme, it's a risk assessment for everyone's benefit.

So of course I'd get the vaccine if those were the only considerations.
But surely that only works if we're isolated from the rest of the world. I know there's been lots of talk of helping poorer countries with their vaccine programmes, but really? We're expecting countries who struggle with persistent poverty, illness, war to prioritise this? It's just not going to happen is it? I just can't see it. And it really feels like we're just doing it to stop them giving it back to us.

And even within our own country, and even with our apparently very successful roll-out, I can't see this being sustainable. We already know that it's going to have to be repeated very frequently. Volunteers won't do it forever, halls etc can't be commandeered forever can they? The numbers are way bigger than the flu scheme.

So then we're back to risk assessment. I'm still not massively bothered by the possibility of side effects, but it does seem unwise to take it if I genuinely don't believe it will work or make things better.

In fact I'd go so far as to say that I'm concerned it's going to make things worse. If there was any way of having the young catch it in fairly quick succession, so from a super spreader, surely that would be safer. It would be transmitted in a smaller number of moves, thus less likely to mutate. As it is though we are forcing it though narrower channels of transmission (by social distancing etc), from person, to person, to person etc, giving it much more chance to change. Of course there is no way of doing this safely though. And then we have absolutely no influence when it lands abroad in much larger populations who often have no choice but to carry on, and there we are with another variant, with quite a possibility it will change enough to be a problem.

I honestly believe that the only sensible use of vaccines is for the most vulnerable, to do our best in an out of control situation.

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PickAChew · 18/05/2021 19:15

Perfect is the enemy of good enough.

ThinWomansBrain · 18/05/2021 19:15

well yeah, if all the morons stop flocking off on holiday until a high vaccination rate elsewhere is achieved it might.
But YABU to refuse vaccine unless you're going to self isolate.

andtheweedonkey · 18/05/2021 19:17
TheRavenNevermore · 18/05/2021 19:17

Nope. I don't know what you're fighting with here. Are you some kind of medical expert with specialist knowledge in the field of pandemics?

TwoAndAnOnion · 18/05/2021 19:18

You might change your mind in ICU with a tube down your throat.

Peace43 · 18/05/2021 19:18

I had the vaccine because I don’t fancy Covid! I’m sure there’s plenty of other more socially responsible reasons but bugger that, I just don’t want bloody Covid.

Have your vaccine or don’t just don’t moan at me if you choose not get vaccinated and end up in hospital sucking on the oxygen!

catndogslife · 18/05/2021 19:20

OP get vaccinated and then give a donation to a scheme that is helping vaccinate people abroad.
Look up Unicef Vaccinaid www.vaccinaid.org/

TheUndoingProject · 18/05/2021 19:20

What makes you think you know better than epidemiologists? The vanity of people like you who spend 5 minutes thinking about a subject and think they know better than experts in the field is baffling to me.

Have the vaccine.

SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 19:20

Yes, ICU is grim, I'm terrified of the place. I'm actually really scared of this virus. But it feels like totally the wrong thing to get the vaccine if I feel it's just for personal protection.

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ticktockriojaoclock · 18/05/2021 19:20

You didn't mention which field of science you specialise in OP?

tobedtoMNandfart · 18/05/2021 19:21

You think all children being given COVID is a better idea than vaccinating the population???!!!! Good lord.

Susie477 · 18/05/2021 19:21

Look up ‘smallpox’ on Wikipedia, OP.

Read the article, try to understand it, then get back to us.

turnthebiglightoff · 18/05/2021 19:21

I actually agree* with you, OP. I'm sick of the NHS being clogged up by all of these people with smallpox.......TB........Measles......polio........oh. Wait. Vaccines stopped all that.

*I don't agree at all. You are dim.

SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 19:21

These are my conclusions from listening to the scientists and seeing what's happening. What have I got wrong?

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TheQueef · 18/05/2021 19:21

You crack on.
Don't try to legitimise the decision by scouting for other converts though eh?

vodkaredbullgirl · 18/05/2021 19:21
Biscuit
turnthebiglightoff · 18/05/2021 19:21

You have got everything wrong. HTH.

PinkArt · 18/05/2021 19:22

Is it just covid you think this about? Or do you also wonder what was the point of vaccines against smallpox, measles, mumps, polio etc? Cause vaccinating everyone against those seems to have worked out pretty well so far

SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 19:22

Smallpox, measles etc are not things that mutate (well not anywhere near as fast) if there was an eradication vaccine I would take it.

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turnthebiglightoff · 18/05/2021 19:23

Flu's mutate. We have a vaccine for them.

SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 19:23

I have had all routine vaccinations, as have my children - mmr etc.

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tobedtoMNandfart · 18/05/2021 19:23

@SEmyarse

Yes, ICU is grim, I'm terrified of the place. I'm actually really scared of this virus. But it feels like totally the wrong thing to get the vaccine if I feel it's just for personal protection.

Go on OP humour us. Have it to protect those around you as well. 🙄

cakebythepound1234 · 18/05/2021 19:23

But the scientists are saying to vaccinate... so if you were listening to the scientists then you'd get vaccinated.

Cookerhood · 18/05/2021 19:23

But why not have it to protect yourself? It's a perfectly valid reason Confused