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To refuse the vaccine for this reason

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SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 19:09

Goodness know why I'm doing this since I'm most averse to being flamed and I'm going to get grilled alive.

My reason being that I don't think that it will work. I don't mean the vaccine itself, I have no specialist knowledge. I mean the whole strategy of vaccinating everyone.

So we're told that the vaccine is good for personal protection. Got it - no-one wants to die of this nasty disease.
And then we're told that its good to protect those around us. Absolutely got it - even if there's a possibility of nasty side effects, I'm not important in the grand scheme, it's a risk assessment for everyone's benefit.

So of course I'd get the vaccine if those were the only considerations.
But surely that only works if we're isolated from the rest of the world. I know there's been lots of talk of helping poorer countries with their vaccine programmes, but really? We're expecting countries who struggle with persistent poverty, illness, war to prioritise this? It's just not going to happen is it? I just can't see it. And it really feels like we're just doing it to stop them giving it back to us.

And even within our own country, and even with our apparently very successful roll-out, I can't see this being sustainable. We already know that it's going to have to be repeated very frequently. Volunteers won't do it forever, halls etc can't be commandeered forever can they? The numbers are way bigger than the flu scheme.

So then we're back to risk assessment. I'm still not massively bothered by the possibility of side effects, but it does seem unwise to take it if I genuinely don't believe it will work or make things better.

In fact I'd go so far as to say that I'm concerned it's going to make things worse. If there was any way of having the young catch it in fairly quick succession, so from a super spreader, surely that would be safer. It would be transmitted in a smaller number of moves, thus less likely to mutate. As it is though we are forcing it though narrower channels of transmission (by social distancing etc), from person, to person, to person etc, giving it much more chance to change. Of course there is no way of doing this safely though. And then we have absolutely no influence when it lands abroad in much larger populations who often have no choice but to carry on, and there we are with another variant, with quite a possibility it will change enough to be a problem.

I honestly believe that the only sensible use of vaccines is for the most vulnerable, to do our best in an out of control situation.

OP posts:
BarbarianMum · 18/05/2021 19:54

I dont want to explain it to you, I think you should be encouraged to learn by experience.

EileenGC · 18/05/2021 19:54

I'm more shocked at the 5% that have so far voted YANBU. I know MN isn't a fair representation of what happens in real life, but it's still scary that 5% of people could think like the OP.

SGChome20 · 18/05/2021 19:54

@SEmyarse

Yes, ICU is grim, I'm terrified of the place. I'm actually really scared of this virus. But it feels like totally the wrong thing to get the vaccine if I feel it's just for personal protection.
This sounds like you’re making yourself a martyr. Of course getting a vaccine to protect yourself is a good reason (and one of many reasons to get it!)

I understand what you’re saying re poorer countries not vaccinating as many people. Now if the developed world would just step in to try and help these countries...

AlmostSummer21 · 18/05/2021 19:54

@SEmyarse

And I really resent being bundled in with 'loons'. I've got no theories about microchips or lizards or anything.

If someone could explain to me why we're not going to be right back here in a few months when immunity has worn off, I would be really grateful and I'd go off and have the jab. I really don't want to be party to prolonging this whole mess unnecessarily (and taking admittedly very small risks in the process).

Immunity won't wear off that quickly )months). It may last years.

Even if more vulnerable people need a booster annually, it can be done.

At some stage there will be enough herd immunity & treatment that it will be like the flu in terms of how many people get it & die from it.

But that'll take longer if idiots refuse to get their vaccinations.

Arrowheart · 18/05/2021 19:55

Get over yourself OP. Get the vaccine and stop fucking about.

DrSbaitso · 18/05/2021 19:55

Why do you think you know better than public health experts?

SunsetBeetch · 18/05/2021 19:56

Is this a real post?

What is life?

mainsfed · 18/05/2021 19:57

@SEmyarse

And I really resent being bundled in with 'loons'. I've got no theories about microchips or lizards or anything.

If someone could explain to me why we're not going to be right back here in a few months when immunity has worn off, I would be really grateful and I'd go off and have the jab. I really don't want to be party to prolonging this whole mess unnecessarily (and taking admittedly very small risks in the process).

You are still refusing to explain your own theory even though your title says you're refusing the vaccine because of it!
maddening · 18/05/2021 19:58

Your ill informed logic is a pile of shite

AlmostSummer21 · 18/05/2021 19:58

@BarbarianMum

I dont want to explain it to you, I think you should be encouraged to learn by experience.
If only it was guaranteed to work like that! @ not affect others I'd be more than happy not to try to educate the idiots.
GoldenOmber · 18/05/2021 19:59

If someone could explain to me why we're not going to be right back here in a few months when immunity has worn off

Because it’s not going to ‘wear off’ in a few months.

It’ll (maybe? probably?) fade over time, but even then your immune system will be able to recognise the virus and stop you getting seriously ill - and reduce how much you infect other people - if you do catch it.

We probably won’t ever eliminate covid, but vaccines are what will take it from a devastating pandemic to something that just goes around seasonally like flu.

SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 20:00

You'll all be pleased to know that I've never posted on any other social media (and not on here for years) so I won't be preaching anywhere.

Only my husband knows my views, I don't like having a public profile.
I have posted because I'm so very troubled by my thoughts on the vaccine programme, and was hoping I'd be able to see why everyone has such faith in it.

A couple of pepole have given me food for thought. Most have called me stupid, which tbh is probably pretty accurate, and the core of my problem. I just can't have the vaccine until I feel it's the right thing to do.

It's a massive moral decision. I would feel horrendous if I gave it to someone vulnerable, but I don't feel like that's the big picture at all.

OP posts:
AlmostSummer21 · 18/05/2021 20:00

@EileenGC

I'm more shocked at the 5% that have so far voted YANBU. I know MN isn't a fair representation of what happens in real life, but it's still scary that 5% of people could think like the OP.
Try not to worry too much about that. Some people mistakenly hit the wrong button & don't realise you can toggle. Others do it just to get a rise.
MotherofPearl · 18/05/2021 20:00

Your thinking on this issue seems very confused OP.

Just get the vaccine and get on with the rest of your life.

RandomLondoner · 18/05/2021 20:01

We already know that it's going to have to be repeated very frequently. Volunteers won't do it forever, halls etc can't be commandeered forever can they? The numbers are way bigger than the flu scheme.

You think that something that has been succesfully done from scratch in little more than six months can't be repeated every six months forever?

That's the exact opposite of what your should reasonably conclude. Now that we know it can be done, it can only get quicker and easier to repeat.

(Obviously we don't have to rely on volunteers or temporary facilities if/when something is not new and known to be required indefinitely.)

ThursdayWeld · 18/05/2021 20:01

It's not a "moral decision", FFS.

HandlebarLadyTash · 18/05/2021 20:01

You have freedom of choice & no one can force you, its completely right to question, not take things at face value & learn. I along with the rest of the adults in my family have had the vaccine & have been happy to do so as we would like to minimise effects of covid if we were to contract it.
Vaccine programs have been proven to be effective (measles ect) and I have no doubt covid will be brought under control.

RandomLondoner · 18/05/2021 20:02

And we don't even know yet that it needs repeating, so that "fact" should not be factored into your decisions...

Chanjer · 18/05/2021 20:02

statisticsbyjim.com/hypothesis-testing/flu-shots-effectiveness/

This is quite interesting

Mowzy · 18/05/2021 20:03

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mainsfed · 18/05/2021 20:04

@SEmyarse

You'll all be pleased to know that I've never posted on any other social media (and not on here for years) so I won't be preaching anywhere.

Only my husband knows my views, I don't like having a public profile.
I have posted because I'm so very troubled by my thoughts on the vaccine programme, and was hoping I'd be able to see why everyone has such faith in it.

A couple of pepole have given me food for thought. Most have called me stupid, which tbh is probably pretty accurate, and the core of my problem. I just can't have the vaccine until I feel it's the right thing to do.

It's a massive moral decision. I would feel horrendous if I gave it to someone vulnerable, but I don't feel like that's the big picture at all.

Another non answer...
MonicaGB · 18/05/2021 20:04

Surely getting the vaccine because it stops the spread and potential development of additional more deadly variants should be enough reason to get it.

Hoppinggreen · 18/05/2021 20:05

@SEmyarse

These are my conclusions from listening to the scientists and seeing what's happening. What have I got wrong?
Ever so slightly
Ireolu · 18/05/2021 20:06

I am from one of these poorer countries that you describe in your OP and most of my family got the AZ vaccine about 6 weeks ago through the covax scheme after queuing a long while. So yes it is a priority for those countries.

FortniteBoysMum · 18/05/2021 20:07

Some countries still suffer from measles it does not stop us vaccinating it in this country. We have so few cases because of vaccination. If everyone in this country is vaccinated then why does it matter if someone comes over from or travels to an infected country? It would be very unlikely for the person or people from here to get infected. Might require an extra jab before travel in future to go to those countries like they do the yellow fever vaccine or the one to prevent malaria.